FSTO
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Because the Republic to our south is such a great thing to emulate?
U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)
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I don't know why people think its a binary option between the either the UK Royal Family or chaos.
Either way, people are noticing the inaction of the King and our mother country. And I expect support for the monarchy to further slide.
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The British have always put their interests above ours . Long before we were even a country.
They've put reality over sentiment.... again .
I'm actually astounded that people do not understand that.
I actually feel sorry for Charles none of the options before him are pleasant. In fact I not too sure if he really has any .
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The King can't act unless the CDN Federal Gov't asks him to act. I expect the meeting today between Trudeau and The King will clarify what, if anything, the Feds would like The King to say or do.
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As been pointed out time and time again, the King cannot and will not say anything until the GoC tells him what to say and when to say it. As Czech_pivo said above, Trudeau's (although he is the poster boy for lame duck) meeting today with the king may change things.
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Oh, it's not. There are all sorts of variations of republics; some with a combined HOS/HOG, others with separate roles. But most people just see our closest one and would not view that as a favourable alternative right now. Heck, most people don't understand our own system let alone others.
As a nation we can have that discussion, but it's not as simple as calling up the GG and saying 'thanks for coming out but we're going in a different direction'.
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Given the Liberals’ policy of benign neglect to the institution of the monarchy, I would be surprised if he even brought it up.
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Nothing wrong with a republican system of government.
For amusement, see this list of systems and the countries that use them. In particular, note where the countries that most people would think of as well-governed are listed, and where the US is listed. Obviously the US has been able to make republicanism work. If it isn't "broken" (overwrought reactions to policy differences are not evidence of failure) at the end of Trump's term, it'll be difficult to argue that the US has a poor system of government. We can't know until the experiment has run.
For amusement, see this list of systems and the countries that use them. In particular, note where the countries that most people would think of as well-governed are listed, and where the US is listed. Obviously the US has been able to make republicanism work. If it isn't "broken" (overwrought reactions to policy differences are not evidence of failure) at the end of Trump's term, it'll be difficult to argue that the US has a poor system of government. We can't know until the experiment has run.
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Nothing wrong with constitutional monarchy. In fact, in top ten most stable, happiest countries, 6 are monarchies. Is that why? No. But the stability and parliamentary system of governance that comes with a figurehead executive devoid of politicking probably doesn't hurt.
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I really didn't mean to derail this this much.
My point is Canadians are paying attention to the reaction this is getting from our King and mother country. And elsewhere for that matter. I think Canadians long expected the world would come to our aid. I think for the first time many (most ?) are now realizing countries have no friends or allies, they have interests.
Now we will see if the King has anything to say after he meets with Trudeau.
My point is Canadians are paying attention to the reaction this is getting from our King and mother country. And elsewhere for that matter. I think Canadians long expected the world would come to our aid. I think for the first time many (most ?) are now realizing countries have no friends or allies, they have interests.
Now we will see if the King has anything to say after he meets with Trudeau.
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The King is a symbol and a figurehead, nothing more. His reaction is as important to me as the reaction from the potted plant on my desk because as was noted above he will only say what he is advised to say by our Government.
Far more important to me is the reaction/non-reaction from the elected heads of Government of our Allies. Those are actually meaningful as its the actions of those Governments to support or not support us that actually have an impact.
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If Trudeau even brought it up. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the conversations between monarchs and PM’s are kept private, so we may never know.
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Exactly, which is why my ire is directed at Starmer.
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No idea. They've never invited me.
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This thread & the tariff thread need to he merged. The tariffs are the weapon in Trump’s war on Canada.
www.nytimes.com
How Trump’s ‘51st State’ Canada Talk Came to Be Seen as Deadly Serious
President Trump, in an early February call, challenged the border treaty between the two countries and told Justin Trudeau he didn’t like their shared water agreements.
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For those that want to be Americans:
Sell your belongings you can’t take with and move to the USA. We can’t stop you and won’t even try. But don’t take the rest of us with you.
It’s one thing to take citizenship from another country but quite another to advocate for entire regions to become American
Sell your belongings you can’t take with and move to the USA. We can’t stop you and won’t even try. But don’t take the rest of us with you.
It’s one thing to take citizenship from another country but quite another to advocate for entire regions to become American
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Luckily they are an extreme minority, even across party lines. Nothing stopping them from learning a skill or trade valuable enough for the US to want take them in. Bootstraps and whatnot.
Large majority of Canadians reject Trump's annexation overtures, poll suggests
A new poll suggests few Canadians are open to President Donald Trump’s repeated pitches for Canada to become a U.S. state, though interest in it rises among Conservative supporters and those living in Alberta.
www.cp24.com
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If a region opts to negotiate to leave Canada and then to negotiate to enter the US as a state, the possibility will appear negligible until a tipping point is reached at which a preference cascade emerges suddenly. At that point it will be hard to arrest.
Canada is weak right now. Health care and some other social programs are manifestly underfunded, productivity is slipping, the CAD is weak relative to the USD. Hardly a week goes by without a couple of temporary ER closures in BC, usually in small communities. Evening newscasts regularly feature interest groups basically asking for money and people, as if there were pools of unused government funds and underused employees in some part of the country. Meanwhile governments pursue vanity projects. If social programs and inter-regional wealth transfers are part of the fabric binding Canada together, what's the point of the country if the programs are slowly eroding and the prosperity of Canadians is slipping relative to Americans and some regional attitudes towards net contributors is to bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain?
All of the dissatisfiers can be mitigated, but will be ignored until a crisis is at hand, just as it took a crisis to set governments to reconsidering internal protectionism. (And there's no guarantee that as long as the tariff threats are on-and-off they won't slow walk proposed changes in the hope they don't have to follow through.)
Canada is weak right now. Health care and some other social programs are manifestly underfunded, productivity is slipping, the CAD is weak relative to the USD. Hardly a week goes by without a couple of temporary ER closures in BC, usually in small communities. Evening newscasts regularly feature interest groups basically asking for money and people, as if there were pools of unused government funds and underused employees in some part of the country. Meanwhile governments pursue vanity projects. If social programs and inter-regional wealth transfers are part of the fabric binding Canada together, what's the point of the country if the programs are slowly eroding and the prosperity of Canadians is slipping relative to Americans and some regional attitudes towards net contributors is to bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain?
All of the dissatisfiers can be mitigated, but will be ignored until a crisis is at hand, just as it took a crisis to set governments to reconsidering internal protectionism. (And there's no guarantee that as long as the tariff threats are on-and-off they won't slow walk proposed changes in the hope they don't have to follow through.)
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