U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[suffolkowner]

Just read an article that stated that Trumps tariffs would add as much as forty cents to gallon of gas and possible as much as seventy cents. That would peeve off a lot of Americans.

it would make WCS the most expensive oil in the world. Are refineries going to eat that or look for alternatives. I think there will be lots looking to get an exemption for oil

 

[Halifax Tar]

If I were a premiere with closet aspirations of becoming president or governor of my province, dialling-in the meeting and posting bogeyman stories to excite the partisan base seems like the lowest effort thing to do. Just skip right past acknowledging the threats of tarifs & annexation by the Trump to declare the real bad guy is Ottawa. Then maybe further excite the separatists & Canadian MAGA by ensuring my media release includes showing greater prominence of the US flag over Canadian.
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She doesn't have the public support for succession. That may change if Ottawa sacrifices Alberta's economy, but it's not currently the case.

 

[dimsum]

Just because we have a incompetent government doesn’t mean the provinces get to step outside their lane.

This has been happening more and more recently, someone needs to strongly indicate what responsibilities both sides have and to follow them. It is the beauty of our system, clearly defined roles that unfortunately we choose to ignore for political purposes.

Federal govt being lambasted for not building enough housing (a provincial or municipal responsibility) enters the chat

 

[Halifax Tar]

Federal govt being lambasted for not building enough housing (a provincial or municipal responsibility) enters the chat

Part of that issue is our federal parties campaign on areas that are outside their lane.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I thought this was a good discussion

 

[QV]

@Remius

Butthurt wexiters?

....

Cheeribye.

Easterners are ignorant to westerners much like why so many Canadians dislike America… envy.

Rest easy Remius, the equalization money is still flowing, for now.

 

[suffolkowner]

Easterners are ignorant to westerners much like why so many Canadians dislike America… envy.

Rest easy Remius, the equalization money is still flowing, for now.

nah i still got the tar and feathers

 

[OldSolduer]

He was quite litterally in a meeting with the Premiers and appearing in a joint press conference this afternoon.

Well at least he’s doing something. I’m at work so news can be scarce unless it’s about crime

 

[Eaglelord17]

Federal govt being lambasted for not building enough housing (a provincial or municipal responsibility) enters the chat

The Federal government doesn't get a clean hand in that due to them messing with the demographics to a extreme though things they do control (immigration).

The Federal government created the housing crisis by doing unheard of levels of immigration without any sort of plan as to how we were going to house them. If we had followed historical population growth (roughly 100-250k a year) by immigration our population would be sitting at the high end of 38,851,000 (and that is the high end estimating 250k a year). Odds are the housing market wouldn't have gone insane, rent would be much lower, and the population would be in a much better position. Instead we are at over 40 million, possibly almost 42 million today.

We didn't even bring in the skilled labour we need (skilled trades, nurses, doctors, etc.), rather a bunch of minimum wage workers who we already create enough of in country.

 

[Remius]

Ontario business struggles to keep up with demand for ‘Canada is not for sale’ caps | Globalnews.ca

On Wednesday morning, Ford appeared in Ottawa sporting a hat with the caption 'Canada is not for sale' after Trump pushed the idea of a merger with the U.S.

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Doug Ford’s hat making the news and making a local business have a good problem to have.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Give it another day and you'll be able to buy those same hats on Aliexpress for 8$ instead of the 55$ that they are selling for on the companies website. Also note that the hat is made in either Vietnam or Bangladesh and maybe, maybe the stitching is done here in Canada.

Ontario business struggles to keep up with demand for ‘Canada is not for sale’ caps | Globalnews.ca

On Wednesday morning, Ford appeared in Ottawa sporting a hat with the caption 'Canada is not for sale' after Trump pushed the idea of a merger with the U.S.

globalnews.ca

Doug Ford’s hat making the news and making a local business have a good problem to have.

 

[dimsum]

The Federal government doesn't get a clean hand in that due to them messing with the demographics to a extreme though things they do control (immigration).

The Federal government created the housing crisis by doing unheard of levels of immigration without any sort of plan as to how we were going to house them. If we had followed historical population growth (roughly 100-250k a year) by immigration our population would be sitting at the high end of 38,851,000 (and that is the high end estimating 250k a year). Odds are the housing market wouldn't have gone insane, rent would be much lower, and the population would be in a much better position. Instead we are at over 40 million, possibly almost 42 million today.

We didn't even bring in the skilled labour we need (skilled trades, nurses, doctors, etc.), rather a bunch of minimum wage workers who we already create enough of in country.

Maybe, but normally those 2-3 million or so would have gone to the bigger cities. Covid causing the folks moving from said bigger cities to small towns because of remote work is also at play.

If Covid wasn’t a factor, the bigger cities would see the housing price increases, but I doubt that rural NS would have seen it to the same extent as now.

Also, is the housing plan a federal or provincial (or municipal) responsibility? Sure there should be some liaison, but I’m guessing that would be back-channel stuff that isn’t necessarily public.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The Federal government created the housing crisis by doing unheard of levels of immigration without any sort of plan as to how we were going to house them. If we had followed historical population growth (roughly 100-250k a year) by immigration our population would be sitting at the high end of 38,851,000 (and that is the high end estimating 250k a year). Odds are the housing market wouldn't have gone insane, rent would be much lower, and the population would be in a much better position. Instead we are at over 40 million, possibly almost 42 million today.

To an extent. Lax immigration control has certainly exacerbated the situation, particularly rents in urban areas. As you said, their hands are not clean.

But it's not TFW's and foreign students that spiked the price of suburban SDH's in Halifax, or 5 acre rural properties in midwestern Ontario. GTA/GVA housing prices have been silly since long before the current state of things, what turned it from "haha silly city bubble" to "fuck, national housing crisis" was the intra-country migration triggered by/during covid. A material uptick in the proportion of the markets with millions willing/able to disburse across the country in pursuit of bigger homes, more space, quieter living etc etc etc. shattered the market equilibrium in the markets of thousands.

 

[lenaitch]

PS

I noted the PM referenced that the Autopact, which the PM acknowledges benefits Ontario, is targeted by Trump.

As I have noted in the past the Autopact was bought with the DEW Line and BOMARC missiles.
The Canada US Trade Agreement was bought with the North Warning Line

Transactions.

Both the decision to implement the DEW line (~1954) and the decision to accept Bomarcs (1958) pre-date the autopact (1965) by several years.

 

[dimsum]

Both the decision to implement the DEW line (~1954) and the decision to accept Bomarcs (1958) pre-date the autopact (1965) by several years.

I think you and @Kirkhill are agreeing here. Both of you are saying that DEW and Bomarcs paved the way for Autopact and CUTA.

 

[lenaitch]

I think you and @Kirkhill are agreeing here. Both of you are saying that DEW and Bomarcs paved the way for Autopact and CUTA.

Perhaps. In long term relationships, it's difficult to decipher between correlation and concurrency. In a sense, marrying my wife 40 years ago has paved the way for buying a new car for her this spring.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I happen to think, given the highly integrated nature of the pipeline and refining network in North America, that cutting off oil supplies to the US would have the effect of many Canadian markets also running out of refined product, because we import from US refineries.

We are potentially shooting ourselves.

Let the Americans scream bloody murder when the price of gas goes up dramatically next week. We had nothing to do with it. The refineries have to buy WCS in the near term, because they are tuned for it. There is no other reasonable source, other than maybe Venezuela.

 

[GR66]

I remember hearing a comment once on CGAI's Energy Security Cubed podcast that has stuck with me. The statement was something along the lines of "we don't export energy to the United States, we export jobs".

The oil and natural gas we export to the United States feeds American refineries which produce the fuels the US uses to feed its own economy as well as export to the rest of the World. Similarly, the electricity we export to the States powers their manufacturing industries and the raw materials we export allow them to build the products that drive their economy. The same argument can be made for the manufactured components we produce for their automotive and other industries.

To my mind this is the argument that we should be pushing with the incoming US administration as well as the Senators, members of Congress, State Governors, etc. of all the States who's industries we feed. At the same time we continue to address their security concerns (which we should be doing anyway for our own sakes).

 

[brihard]

I happen to think, given the highly integrated nature of the pipeline and refining network in North America, that cutting off oil supplies to the US would have the effect of many Canadian markets also running out of refined product, because we import from US refineries.

We are potentially shooting ourselves.

Let the Americans scream bloody murder when the price of gas goes up dramatically next week. We had nothing to do with it. The refineries have to buy WCS in the near term, because they are tuned for it. There is no other reasonable source, other than maybe Venezuela.

I believe you’re right.

In our own strategic interest, Energy East should have been pushed through. We let economy grow into vulnerability. Canadian oil and gas should be able to reach export terminals on either coast. Our dependence on American infrastructure to get around the Great Lakes is a vulnerability that we should have stopped risking our in Trump’s first term.

If America wants to buy our oil we should sell it to them. If that desire shrinks, we need to be able to get it to market elsewhere.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I believe you’re right.

In our own strategic interest, Energy East should have been pushed through. We let economy grow into vulnerability. Canadian oil and gas should be able to reach export terminals on either coast. Our dependence on American infrastructure to get around the Great Lakes is a vulnerability that we should have stopped risking our in Trump’s first term.

If America wants to buy our oil we should sell it to them. If that desire shrinks, we need to be able to get it to market elsewhere.

It comes down simply to options - the more options you have, the better choices you can make and ultimately the better off you are - clearly we have very very limited options in terms of our oil. Once again our Canadian 'cheapness' in doing something that requires as little effort/foresight/cost/vision/planning as possible has kneecapped us. If we had built more than one pipeline to the West Coast and one straight through the heart of the country to Quebec City and even possibly to the Halifax area back in the early/mid 1980s, we'd be in an entirely different situation than we currently are.