U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[The Bread Guy]

... There is a whole tourism industry based on this.

Shame if anything ever happened to that because of, oh, I don't know, trade sanctions from the U.S.? After all, if the American system is so much better, won't be missed, right? "Canadian Meds for Canadians" could be a convincing slogan - "Canada First" if you will ...

 

[Halifax Tar]

Shame if anything ever happened to that because of, oh, I don't know, trade sanctions from the U.S.? After all, if the American system is so much better, won't be missed, right? "Canadian Meds for Canadians" could be a convincing slogan - "Canada First" if you will ...

Canada first should always be our aim.

 

[Swampbuggy]

I can’t imagine this being a legit scenario, becoming part of USA. If it were to happen democratically, it would require some kind of national referendum that would probably not pass, not to mention whatever would happen provincially. Possibly, as was mentioned earlier, due to some unity crisis where someone tries to pull out, either Alberta or Quebec, but I don’t see that as likely either. Especially if you weigh in treaty considerations with FN, it seems to me implausible.

So, that would leave a forcible military takeover. What would NATO do then? Who do other members side with? It would likely be the death of that organization, which everyone in Russia and China would welcome. Thirdly, the amount of internal opposition in the US to a military action on this scale would be staggering. It would make Vietnam demonstrations look like garden parties. I can’t see anything like this happening without it touching off a catastrophe for the west.

 

[Remius]

I can’t imagine this being a legit scenario, becoming part of USA. If it were to happen democratically, it would require some kind of national referendum that would probably not pass, not to mention whatever would happen provincially. Possibly, as was mentioned earlier, due to some unity crisis where someone tries to pull out, either Alberta or Quebec, but I don’t see that as likely either. Especially if you weigh in treaty considerations with FN, it seems to me implausible.

So, that would leave a forcible military takeover. What would NATO do then? Who do other members side with? It would likely be the death of that organization, which everyone in Russia and China would welcome. Thirdly, the amount of internal opposition in the US to a military action on this scale would be staggering. It would make Vietnam demonstrations look like garden parties. I can’t see anything like this happening without it touching off a catastrophe for the west.

It won’t happen. It’s fantasy and trolling. There are serious maga larpers that want to see it happen but they have one option if they really want to be American. Most won’t take it though.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I can’t imagine this being a legit scenario, becoming part of USA. If it were to happen democratically, it would require some kind of national referendum that would probably not pass, not to mention whatever would happen provincially. Possibly, as was mentioned earlier, due to some unity crisis where someone tries to pull out, either Alberta or Quebec, but I don’t see that as likely either. Especially if you weigh in treaty considerations with FN, it seems to me implausible.

So, that would leave a forcible military takeover. What would NATO do then? Who do other members side with? It would likely be the death of that organization, which everyone in Russia and China would welcome. Thirdly, the amount of internal opposition in the US to a military action on this scale would be staggering. It would make Vietnam demonstrations look like garden parties. I can’t see anything like this happening without it touching off a catastrophe for the west.

I think its an inevitability. Our country's way to closely tied economically and culturally.

A win for us would be more of a melding of our countries and a new state, rather than just being consumed by our larger more powerful neighbor.

I have said on this forum before, that my daughter was born a Canadian, but I fear she will not pass as one.

As for NATO. Remember NATO needs the USA, the USA doesn't need NATO.

 

[lenaitch]

I think he's shown what your looking for I'm his various speeches and interviews.

I wish he would stop with the nicknames. That's my only complaint and it's really a non issue.

Perhaps. Maybe I need to follow it more closely. Then again, the vast majority of Canadian voters, for good or ill, are probably like me. All I'm getting is 'axe the tax', 'common sense' (which puts a shudder into many Ontarians, and 'hard working Canadians' (actually, many of them say that). I still don't see a lot of statesman in him. Having said that, with the mess we are in now, statesmanship is a bit of an ask.

Bring us together, don't divide us. In that sense, perhaps DJT has done more to unite us in the past couple of days that our own lot has.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Whoa...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869211955015393394

Looks pretty uniting to me if the polling is correct.

 

[brihard]

I can’t imagine this being a legit scenario, becoming part of USA. If it were to happen democratically, it would require some kind of national referendum that would probably not pass, not to mention whatever would happen provincially. Possibly, as was mentioned earlier, due to some unity crisis where someone tries to pull out, either Alberta or Quebec, but I don’t see that as likely either. Especially if you weigh in treaty considerations with FN, it seems to me implausible.

So, that would leave a forcible military takeover. What would NATO do then? Who do other members side with? It would likely be the death of that organization, which everyone in Russia and China would welcome. Thirdly, the amount of internal opposition in the US to a military action on this scale would be staggering. It would make Vietnam demonstrations look like garden parties. I can’t see anything like this happening without it touching off a catastrophe for the west.

The only way Canada could join the U.S. legally would be by an amendment of the Canadian Constitution under s. 41 of the 1982 Constitution Act. That requires all ten provincial legislature, the House of Commons, and the Senate to each separately vote in an amendment to the Constitution to change it away from the office of the Monarchy or the Governor General. Needless to say, this will never happen.

Canada could be absorbed by the U.S. illegally through either a foreign invasion by the U.S., or by a rebellion (necessarily involving sedition) that overthrows Canada’s rule of law, substitutes a different power, and then goes from there. I have no fear of this; there are enough loyal Canadians to put down any such rebellion. Keyboard warriors will not hand our country over to the US.

Personally I do not believe it’s possible to be loyal to Canada while also advocating our annexation to the U.S. or any other country. Our sovereignty is a sine qua non of the oath/affirmation most of us swore one or more times in our lives, on joining CAF, or becoming citizens.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The only way Canada could join the U.S. legally would be by an amendment of the Canadian Constitution under s. 41 of the 1982 Constitution Act. That requires all ten provincial legislature, the House of Commons, and the Senate to each separately vote in an amendment to the Constitution to change it away from the office of the Monarchy or the Governor General. Needless to say, this will never happen.

Canada could be absorbed by the U.S. illegally through either a foreign invasion by the U.S., or by a rebellion (necessarily involving sedition) that overthrows Canada’s rule of law, substitutes a different power, and then goes from there. I have no fear of this; there are enough loyal Canadians to put down any such rebellion. Keyboard warriors will not hand our country over to the US.

Personally I do not believe it’s possible to be loyal to Canada while also advocating our annexation to the U.S. or any other country. Our sovereignty is a sine qua non of the oath/affirmation most of us swore one or more times in our lives, on joining CAF, or becoming citizens.

But just in case....

Has anyone got the DS Pink for the last defensive TEWT in the area of Lundy's Lane?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

But just in case....

Has anyone got the DS Pink for the last defensive TEWT in the area of Lundy's Lane?

Pro tip: don’t lead with the Queen’s Own Rifles…

I kid! I kid!

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Has anyone got the DS Pink for the last defensive TEWT in the area of Lundy's Lane?

Isn't it in the desk of someone's office at Marineland?

 

[Swampbuggy]

I think its an inevitability. Our country's way to closely tied economically and culturally.

A win for us would be more of a melding of our countries and a new state, rather than just being consumed by our larger more powerful neighbor.

I have said on this forum before, that my daughter was born a Canadian, but I fear she will not pass as one.

As for NATO. Remember NATO needs the USA, the USA doesn't need NATO.

A synthesis of the two countries is a better outcome than absorption of one over the other, regardless of who annexes who (I get we’re not in the position to do this, BTW), but I can’t see that being real smooth either. Neither Canadians nor Americans are super keen on being referred to as their opposite numbers, so that would be the formation of a new country entirely, with a new identity. It’s likelier, if not likely, that Canadians would be more open to this than Americans would ever be. Their identity is inextricably tied into their country, name/flag/eagle/etc and I don’t see that ever changing, even in the left.

Then, what parts of each system do you keep? How do you address treaties with FN on both sides of the border? How does foreign debt get settled? Plus a billion other “small” details (anthems, currency, governmental departments, trade agreements with other nations)…

I’ll be honest here and say I despise Donald Trump, always have and probably always will. I think it’s 100% wrong to have a person who has always been at the top of his personal food chain now take on the role of ultimate servant to the people. His arrogance and unpredictability make him a dangerous person to trust with healing the divisions in his own nation, let alone ours. But, BUT, I have been guilty of underestimating him for years and I am required to give Trump full credit for “making the monkey dance” here. He has caused an instant reaction in our country that hopefully leads to a frank discussion of where we’ve gone wrong in our relationship with the USA. He’s been right in saying that we haven’t been paying our share and because of complacency and lack of political will, we will be bludgeoned with that fact at the trade table…and Social Media.

Maybe some good will come from it, but I can’t see it taking the shape of combining the two countries into a single entity.

 

[Quirky]

there are enough loyal Canadians to put down any such rebellion.

You mean the soy-boy beta males that dominate Canadas largest cities? These coffee shop dwellers will run back to their studio apartments to post in anger on Reddit, that will be the extent of the “put down”. The likelihood of any hypothetical US annexation is zero, unless a LPC miracle on ice is realized and they get another majority in 2025. Then we better buckle up for a wild ride especially if Canadian cities go Red again.

 

[dapaterson]

You mean the soy-boy beta males that dominate Canadas largest cities? These coffee shop dwellers will run back to their studio apartments to post in anger on Reddit, that will be the extent of the “put down”. The likelihood of any hypothetical US annexation is zero, unless a LPC miracle on ice is realized and they get another majority in 2025. Then we better buckle up for a wild ride especially if Canadian cities go Red again.

The majority of Canadians live in Ontario and Quebec. If you kick out Quebec, the majority of Canadians live in Ontario and British Columbia.

But don't let facts interfere with your opinions.

 

[Jarnhamar]

You mean the soy-boy beta males that dominate Canadas largest cities?

Point of privilege!

 

[Fabius]

It seems for DJT that the 51st state thing is primarily about economics and security.

In his narrative there is a $100 Billion trade deficit with Canada and Canada is not contributing to US security interests sufficiently to offset that imbalance.

When you pair that with the overall Canadian interest since at least 1988 (signing of the US-Canada free trade agreement) to be treated as closely as possible as an integral part of the US economy ie not foreign and not subject to US economic restrictions on foreign states; there is a potential narrative there that states that Canada wants to have all the benefits of being the 51st state while not contributing to US concerns on security.

In that narrative if Canada continues to want to be treated as an integral part of the US for economic reasons but refuses to acknowledge its security obligations to ensure that economic position then it can just become a US state and the US federal government will use its new Cdn based tax revenue to support its security concerns.

It all comes back to Canada having a security / economic disconnect in relation to where the US trump administration but also the US nation overall seems to be going.

Canada can get all patriotic and defensive but that likely won’t solve any problems and will likely make it worse as we won’t ID the real issues nor address them, especially since we aren’t in a position of strength in relation to the US.

Or we can try to understand the US position and work actively to be seen as a valuable contributing asset vs a leech and security risk.

 

[brihard]

You mean the soy-boy beta males that dominate Canadas largest cities? These coffee shop dwellers will run back to their studio apartments to post in anger on Reddit, that will be the extent of the “put down”. The likelihood of any hypothetical US annexation is zero, unless a LPC miracle on ice is realized and they get another majority in 2025. Then we better buckle up for a wild ride especially if Canadian cities go Red again.

No. In the context of an actual internal sedition/rebellion by the small minority who might motivate themselves to try, I mean the overwhelming majority of the armed forces and police, buttressed by many other Canadians who have served and remain loyal, or who have not put on a uniform but would stand up for Canada against those who would try to overthrow government and hand it over to a foreign power.

As I said, it’s not something I’m remotely worried about. You, in this thread, and some others like you elsewhere have decided to bluntly state your disloyalty to the country, but it’s just talk. You, and most others like you who despise Canada are, ultimately, harmless. You’ll sit there talking about how terrible our country is until you can retire on your government pension, and then you’ll talk about how awful it is some more.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

You mean the soy-boy beta males that dominate Canadas largest cities? These coffee shop dwellers will run back to their studio apartments to post in anger on Reddit, that will be the extent of the “put down”.

Someone's projecting awfully hard here. I welcome your opinions on where you would be if and when the Abrahams cross the 49th and I might value your opinion on the matter.

Ukraine certainly had its fair share of urbanites who very quickly shifted into TDF roles without issue, I can see the same happening should Canada be put in a similar position.

The likelihood of any hypothetical US annexation is zero.

Yes, due to the many internationally recognized treaties between our two nations and a shared history that goes back centuries.

Trump acting like a blowhard and trying to troll over social media doesn't change this reality.

unless a LPC miracle on ice is realized and they get another majority in 2025.

This is currently very unlikely, but if it were so, it would be the will of Canadians as determined in a fair and democratic election. Much the same as the one that see's Trump moving into the White House on 20 Jan 2025.

Then we better buckle up for a wild ride especially if Canadian cities go Red again.

Canadian cities have historically been Red for any number of reasons. Population density is a funny thing in that you get a much larger diversity of opinion and thought compared to larger homogenous rural populations. That said, look at the 905 belt in the GTA, or the sea of Blue that surrounds other major cities. Urbanites are swayed by their bottom line; not soley the social cause de jure.

 

[mariomike]

If you’re talking about the U.S. medical system then, yes, it is great…that is if you are rich or work for the U.S. government.

Wonder how the U.S. medical system for their government pensioners compares to ours?

When I retired on my 55th birthday, our municipal government continued to pay 100% of my extended health and dental benefits and Group Life Insurance until my 65th birthday.

That was replaced by a Health Care Spending Account ( HCSA ) payable to age 75, and a lifetime burial insurance policy.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

My cousin refused to go to the hospital for a concussion because of the bill he would incur. His sister’s future health care plan is her home equity.

Imagine getting a 14k bill for giving birth without insurance. Or following the recommendation of having 20k saved up even if you do have insurance as a just in case when you do give birth.

Well since about 28% of our taxes we pay go to fund our health care, that 6 to 10 thousand a year I didn't pay would add up fast in my bank account.
Not saying I'd want their system, but that part of the equation always seems to get overshadowed buy the "what things cost" argument.