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U.S. 2012 Election

On Nov 6 Who Will Win President Obama or Mitt Romney ?

  • President Obama

    Votes: 39 61.9%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 24 38.1%

  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
And just for added interest wrt Right vs Left; The Bush / Gore stats read match up like Obama / McCain. Go figure eh?
 
My favourite rumour that Snopes has had to debunk is that they are some sort of liberal front. Funny enough, one of the principals is a registered Republican! I guess the rabid subset of the right that generates all the agitprop nonsense that gets circulated by email (and now Facebook) got sick of having Snopes debunking them and had to start attacking them.

They're pretty good for dealing with all manner of urban legends, rumours, myths, and so on.

cupper said:
And my point for rebutting all of that:

Don't believe everything you read in your inbox.

http://www.snopes.com/fraud/advancefee/nigeria.asp

And just for poops and giggles, I checked on Snopes, and it seems this same e-mail  was circulated after the 2000 election, with the names of Bush and Gore, instead of McCain and Obama. Which would explain some of the data errors.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
I love Snopes. I use it all the time to research dodgy claims.

The best part is- if they are unsure about something, they say so.
 
SeaKingTacco said:
I love Snopes. I use it all the time to research dodgy claims.

The best part is- if they are unsure about something, they say so.

Exactly. They're brilliant for that. They started doing it as a hobby I guess, and they've got a wealth of information. It's interesting to see all the different types of stuff that get spread around by email. Good on them for helping to deal with it!

Pretty much the first place to go when you read something that makes you outraged!
 
Redeye said:
My favourite rumour that Snopes has had to debunk is that they are some sort of liberal front. Funny enough, one of the principals is a registered Republican!

Funny enough.....Snopes says you're wrong.
Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections, register an affiliation with a U.S. political party, or donate to any U.S. political campaign or candidate. David Mikkelson is an American citizen whose participation in U.S. politics has never extended beyond periodically exercising his civic duty at the ballot box. As FactCheck confirmed in April 2009, David is a registered independent who has never donated to, or worked on behalf of, any political campaign or party. The Mikkelsons are wholly apolitical, vastly preferring their quiet scholarly lives in the company of their five cats to any political considerations.
http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp



But I guess that's to be expected in a thread based more on mindless repetition of political dogma rather than.....oh, what's that expression that keeps cropping up here.......oh, I know -- "actually reading the articles."  ;)
 
Journeyman said:
Funny enough.....Snopes says you're wrong. http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp



But I guess that's to be expected in a thread based more on mindless repetition of political dogma rather than.....oh, what's that expression that keeps cropping up here.......oh, I know -- "actually reading the articles."  ;)

Mea culpa, I was writing what I thought I remembered from reading it quite a while ago and didn't go back to look it up again. I seemed to recall David was at one time a Republican. Oops.
 
Deconstructing the "You didn't build that" speech. This will be a gold mine for GOP candidates all the way down line:

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/07/18/the-ultimate-takedown-of-obamas-you-didnt-build-that-speech/?print=1

The Ultimate Takedown of Obama’s ‘You Didn’t Build That’ Speech

Posted By Zombie On July 18, 2012 @ 10:15 am In Uncategorized | 194 Comments

President Obama’s instantly infamous “You didn’t build that” speech is a major turning point of the 2012 election not because it was a gaffe but because it was an accurate and concise summary of core progressive fiscal dogma. It was also a political blunder of epic proportions because in his speech Obama unintentionally proved the conservatives’ case for limited government.

This essay will show you how.

When Obama implied at the Roanoke, Virginia rally that some businessmen refuse to pay for public works from which they benefit, he presented a thesis which, like a three-legged stool, relies on three assumptions that must all be true for the argument to remain standing:

1. That the public programs he mentioned in his speech constitute a significant portion of the federal budget;
2. That business owners don’t already pay far more than their fair share of these expenses; and
3. That these specific public benefits are a federal issue, rather than a local issue.

If any of these legs fails, then the whole argument collapses.

For good measure, we won’t just kick out one, we’ll kick out all three.

“Small Government” Is Not the Same as “No Government”

Progressives critique the fiscal conservative/Tea Party/libertarian position by purposely misrepresenting it as anarchy. When fiscal conservatives say “We want smaller government,” progressives reply, “Oh, so you want no government?”

“Government” in this particular discussion is shorthand for “communal pooling of resources for mutual benefit.”

Fiscal conservatives have never called for no government — that’s the anarchist position, and contemporary anarchism is actually dominated by extreme leftists, not extreme conservatives. Instead, fiscal conservatives clearly and consistently call for limited government, or for smaller government — but not for the absence of government altogether.

So when President Obama and his mentor Elizabeth Warren justify their call for tax hikes by pointing out that all entrepreneurs benefit from communal infrastructure, they’re committing the classic Straw Man Fallacy by arguing against anarchy — a position that their opponents do not hold.

Here’s the shocking truth: President Obama and Elizabeth Warren are correct — we all benefit from certain taxpayer-funded collectivist government infrastructure projects and programs. And here’s the other shocking truth: Therefore, we should limit government expenditures to just those programs. Why? Because most of the other government programs either

• hinder, constrict or penalize entrepreneurial activity; or
• benefit some people to the detriment of others; or
• waste money on bureaucracy, overhead or ill-considered expenditures that end up indebting the nation and by extension all Americans.

Below are videos and transcripts of Obama’s speech as well as the Elizabeth Warren speech that inspired it. First watch or read both speeches, and then we’ll list all of the programs that they both mention, and see what percentage of our taxes goes toward those programs.

Obama’s Speech

Here is Obama’s game-changing speech from Friday, July 13 in Roanoke, Virginia:

And here’s the transcript:

    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Warren’s Speech

And here’s Elizabeth Warren’s original 2011 speech, upon which Obama’s was based:

And the transcript:

    There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there — good for you!

    But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea — God bless. Keep a big hunk of it.

    But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.

OK, now that we have both speeches in front of us, let us list the exact government programs and projects that Obama and Warren use to justify their position:

• Education (Obama: “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.” Warren: “You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.”)
• Transportation (Obama: “Somebody invested in roads and bridges.” Warren: “You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.”)
• Public Safety (Warren: “You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.” Obama: “There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.”)
• The Internet (Obama: “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”)

…and that’s it.

OK. Fine. Let’s absolutely concede this point to Obama and Warren: There are some government activities that benefit us all, including business owners.

And for the sake of argument let’s just allow for a moment that the federal government is the best, most efficient and only supplier of these benefits. You win, Elizabeth and Barack.

But having conceded this central point, let us now ask the key follow-up question, which is the first leg of their three-point hypothesis: What percentage of the federal budget is devoted to these universally beneficial public works?

And if you’re a progressive reading this, you’d better get off the stool because it’s about to fall down.

The Numbers

Here is the federal government’s budgetary breakdown for a recent fiscal year:

What percentage of this is devoted to education, transportation, public safety, and creating the Internet (i.e. basic research)?

I’m going to be as generous as possible to the progressive position and include ALL of defense spending in their column, since defense aids both basic research and public safety. Highways and roads are covered by the Department of Transportation. The Department of Education covers, well, education. And various other smaller departments — Department of Justice, National Science Foundation, etc. — contribute in varying degrees to public safety, research, and so forth.

Ready? Here we go:

Below is a list of all government expenditures, with Obama’s and Warren’s “public benefit” programs highlighted:

    Social Security 19.63%
    Department of Defense 18.74%
    Unemployment/welfare/other mandatory spending 16.13%
    Medicare 12.79%
    Medicaid and SCHIP 8.19%
    Interest on the national debt 4.63%
    Health and Human Services 2.22%
    Department of Transportation 2.05%
    Department of Veteran’s Affairs 1.48%
    Department of State 1.46%
    Department of Housing and Urban Development 1.34%
    Department of Education 1.32%
    Other on-budget discretionary spending (1.8%): $149.67
    Other off-budget discretionary spending (1.3%): $108.10
    Department of Homeland Security 1.21%
    Department of Energy 0.74%
    Department of Agriculture 0.73%
    Department of Justice 0.67%
    NASA 0.53%
    Department of Commerce 0.39%
    Department of Labor 0.38%
    Department of Treasury 0.38%
    Department of the Interior 0.34%
    EPA 0.30%
    Social Security Administration 0.27%
    National Science Foundation 0.20%
    Corps of Engineers 0.14%
    National Infrastructure Bank 0.14%
    Corporation for National and Community Service 0.03%
    Small Business Administration 0.02%
    General Services Administration 0.02%
    Other agencies 0.56%
    Other off-budget discretionary spending 2.97%

So, let’s clear away the irrelevant government expenditures and list just the ones noted by Obama and Warren:

    Department of Defense 18.74%
    Department of Transportation 2.05%
    Department of Education 1.32%
    Department of Homeland Security 1.21%
    Department of Justice 0.67%
    National Science Foundation 0.20%

    TOTAL: 23.4%

And that, of course, is being absurdly generous to the Obama position, since in reality huge portions of the defense budget, the Department of Education budget, and so on, have basically nothing to do with promoting public safety or educating workers. And let’s be even more generous and round that 23.4% up to 25%, or one-fourth of the budget.

So what Obama and Warren are really stating is this:

Only one-fourth of your federal tax dollars go to projects and programs that benefit the general public and entrepreneurs; the other three-fourths are essentially a complete waste, or are at best optional.

Which of course is exactly what fiscal conservatives have been arguing all along.

So yeah, I agree with Obama: Let’s slash the federal budget by 75%, and only fund services and programs that directly serve the public good.

The first leg of their argument has snapped, and the stool has toppled over. Since the essential programs aiding “the commons” are only a small percentage of an overall bloated budget, we don’t need to raise taxes to fund them.

And now for the second leg.

The Wealthy Already Pay Far More Than Their “Fair Share”

Are you ready for the happy news? If we stick to Obama and Warren’s “essentials only” budget, we can eliminate all taxes for 99% of Americans, and even lower taxes for the top 1%, and still have enough to pay for defense, transportation, public safety, education and all the rest. How? Because the top 1% of all taxpayers — the wealthy elite businesspeople who benefit from roads and schools and firefighters — pay about 37% of all federal taxes, far more than enough to cover the essentials, plus interest on the debt and plenty of extras besides.

Clonk. That’s the second leg hitting the floor.

Kicking Out the Third Leg: Education, Public Safety and Roads Are Covered by Local Taxes, Not Federal Taxes

The final component in Obama’s thesis is far and away the weakest, but for some reason few pundits have noted it. Obama and Warren have intentionally conflated local taxes with federal taxes. In most localities across the country, public education, police and firefighters, and street repair are primarily paid for by property taxes, local sales taxes, and state taxes. Federal grants can supplement local funds, but rarely is a school district or a police department propped up entirely with federal money.

So if we revisit Obama’s and Warren’s speeches, they’re actually making an argument for increased local taxes. And yet they and their audiences somehow imagine that the arguments given are a legitimate rationale for increased federal taxes.

As I said at the beginning of this essay, Obama has just unintentionally proved the conservatives’ case for limited government, and for decentralization and local control.

The stool is now in pieces on the floor. But I just can’t stop kicking.

Obama’s Fallacy that the Goal of Government Research Is to Benefit the Private Sector

    “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

Now, everybody agrees that a great number of scientific and engineering breakthroughs have happened as a result of “government research,” primarily military research: not just the Internet but nuclear power, GPS systems, jet aircraft, and many more. But Obama is sorely mistaken in claiming that the Internet was created “so that all the companies could make money” off it. Actually, the Internet was created to facilitate defense-related research as well as to strengthen military command-and-control capabilities. It was most definitely not created “so that all the companies could make money,” as a very early ARPANet handbook explained:

    It is considered illegal to use the ARPANet for anything which is not in direct support of Government business….Sending electronic mail over the ARPANet for commercial profit or political purposes is both anti-social and illegal.

Ooops.

In this instance as well as almost every other instance, government-funded engineering or scientific breakthroughs were originally and exclusively for military purposes; it was only much later that entrepreneurs came along and found a profit-generating and society-benefitting civilian use for military hardware.

Similar contravening facts undermine other aspects of Obama’s and Warren’s emotional arguments. Take transportation, for example. Prior to 1956, the vast majority of roads and highways and rail lines in the United States were built either privately, by local communities, or by states. It was not until the arrival of the Interstate Highway System in 1956 that the federal government became deeply involved in building roads — and even then, as with the Internet and most other massive federal projects, it was originally for defense, not for commerce.

But the highway system is by now already in place. And the cost of maintaining it and building whatever new highways are needed is a tiny fraction of our federal budget, far less than even 1%. And the business owners who benefit from roads are already paying more than enough taxes to cover their cost.

Rebuttal?

Progressives have been so intoxicated first with Warren’s speech and now with Obama’s that I’m not so sure they’re even aware that anyone has presented a criticism; progressives probably think that conservatives just avoid this whole topic because the entire arc of Warren’s and Obama’s line of reasoning is so convincing and devastating that it’s best to change the subject. But I predict that the pushback against this speech will grow so large that eventually word of it will reach the far left, and when that happens they may come back with the following retort:

Warren and Obama were just presenting a few examples, not a comprehensive list of public benefits from taxation. These were just off-the-cuff speeches, not policy papers. There are many other federal programs from which business owners benefit and toward which they should therefore contribute.

If so: Let’s see that list. Let’s get down to the nitty-gritty.

Did businesses benefit when in cities across the country HUD built massive housing projects which instantly turned into pre-fab ghettos?

Do businesses benefit when the EPA awards itself unilateral power to impose its interpretation of environmental laws, with no hearings and no warning?

Will businesses benefit when they are forced to abide by byzantine, onerous and expensive Obamacare regulations?

The progressive stance might be: “But we all benefit when everyone is healthy, when global warming is stopped, when children have high self-esteem, when no American goes hungry!”

But by this stage we’ve already passed from measurable physical benefits like roads to fire-fighting to vague claims about intangible potential benefits for which there is no proof. Obama said, “Somebody invested in roads and bridges” because the audience could understand a concrete example; he didn’t get up and say “Somebody invested in high self-esteem” because it would expose the slippery slope underneath this line of reasoning.

Should businesses pay enough taxes to support the nation’s basic physical infrastructure? Yes. Of course. And they already do. But should they pay taxes to fund every progressive social fantasy? That’s open for debate, and that’s not the point Obama and Warren were making. Overtly, at least.

We should thank President Obama for finally revealing the central justification for his economic policy. Now that we see what’s at the heart of his fiscal philosophy, we can demonstrate that he has only ended up proving the opposite of what he intended.

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Use of Facebook and social media in the election. I can see this migrating rapidly to Canada (the Liberal Party has hired Democrat party election strategists in the past to learn the latest election techniques, so there is no reason to not expect this). I'm also sure that there will be some blowback from non engaged people finding their "friends" badgering them about voting. remember to check your privacy settings, or if you are into mischief, send false data their way:

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428530/why-obama-likes-facebook/

Why Obama Likes Facebook

The real power of the president's Facebook app: providing a window on supporters' friends.

David Talbot

Friday, July 20, 2012

Victor Kerlow

President Obama's campaign is expanding the power of the social media operation it built in 2008, using an app to extend its voter intelligence efforts to potentially millions of Facebook accounts of people who didn't directly get in touch.

The app, Obama 2012, gives the campaign access to the birth dates, locations, and likes—that is, Web pages a user has indicated he or she likes or identifies with by hitting the Facebook "like" button—of many of the Facebook friends of the 150,000 people who installed the app. That could feed the campaign valuable intelligence on a few million people: whether they are of voting age and live in swing states, what issues they care about, and who in their network might best influence them.

Even though Facebook's policies forbid the campaign from using that friend data outside the context of the app, the information can still be used for the organizing and volunteering activities the app enables. In other words: don't be surprised, especially if you are an undecided voter in a swing state, if you hear from someone on Facebook with a highly personalized appeal based on things you've clicked online.
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The app is just one facet of a data-centric campaign strategy that both Obama and the presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, are deploying. The goal of both candidates is to merge data on voters from as many sources as possible—including Twitter feeds, public Facebook posts, and consumer databases—with the parties' existing files on the nation's 140 million registered voters. From there, the campaigns hope to identify undecided voters and people who could influence them, and craft highly personalized appeals.

To make it easier to analyze all this data, the Democratic National Committee has hired Vertica, a Cambridge, Massachusetts-based unit of Hewlett-Packard, according to two people with firsthand knowledge of the contract. Vertica licenses software that lets organizations synthesize databases and glean insights quickly. In 2011, the Democrats spent $250,000 for a license to manage 100 terabytes of voter data using Vertica's software, said one of the sources, who was granted anonymity because the information is meant to be confidential.

Making the right personal appeals to swing voters could be decisive. In 2000, the election of George W. Bush was sealed by a margin of 537 votes in Florida, out of six million cast in that state. And his reëlection in 2004 was cemented in Ohio, where Bush beat John Kerry by fewer than 120,000 people out of 5.6 million who voted.

This year, Facebook is a crucial locus of the candidates' efforts. At the simplest level, millions of people have clicked "like" on the candidates' pages. This constitutes a large body of self-identified supporters whom the candidates can approach, but the act of clicking "like" does not surrender any Facebook data beyond that which is publicly available by default, such as a user's name, gender, and profile picture.

To get supporters even more engaged, the Obama and Romney campaign sites encourage supporters to download apps, which they can do directly on Facebook or when they log in to the campaign sites with their Facebook account. Obama's app goes further than Romney's; for example, through the president's app, which has been downloaded by 150,000 people, the campaign can access the birth dates, locations, shared photos, and "likes" of millions of Facebook "friends" of those supporters. (The friends could avoid this by changing their privacy settings in Facebook, but the default settings make this possible, and, according to a Consumer Reports survey, almost two-thirds of Facebook users do not change such settings.)

Zac Moffatt, digital director for the Romney campaign, says: "We are only accessing people's information that they've allowed, and not their friends' information right now," without elaborating. Romney's app has been downloaded about 5,000 times.

The Obama campaign and its digital director, Teddy Goff, did not respond to requests for interviews on the topic. Facebook, which has an in-house social-science data analytics team (see "What Facebook Knows"), also declined to comment. Spokesman Andrew Noyes instead sent links to the privacy and app-installation policies on the Facebook website.

How much intelligence has the Obama campaign been able to collect? The campaign and Facebook would not discuss the data, but some back-of-the-envelope math gives a rough sense.

According to this Facebook blog post, the average friend count is 190. Multiply 150,000 by the 190 average number of friends, and you get more than 28 million. Once you eliminate overlap (many of your friends are also friends with each other), and assume that one-third have blocked apps from seeing their data, and weed out people who aren't in the United States or of voting age, the real number would go down very sharply. But even if these factors eliminate 90 percent of the 28 million, the president's campaign app would still have intelligence on 2.8 million American voters from their Facebook accounts, whether or not those voters actively took a step to share it.

Although the Obama campaign didn't respond to interview requests, staffers have described their methods and goals in general terms. Before launching the reëlection campaign in 2011, campaign manager Jim Messina visited tech leaders—including Apple founder Steve Jobs and Google CEO Eric Schmidt—to get the latest insights, and he has described the campaign shop at that time as "a kind of tech startup." In January he told a reporter:  "Our efforts on the ground and on technology will make 2008 look prehistoric." 

Indeed, recent campaign job postings demand skills in data analytics, including wanting applicants to understand how to do A/B testing to see which messages or Web pages are most effective.

At an event in February, Goff, the digital director, showed off an e-mail effort in which the same blast was distributed in 26 different versions for different groups of people. And other press accounts reported on a campaign effort, dubbed "Project Narwhal," to link all sources of information about voters, and make them available to any campaign worker. All of this is the logical extension of the Obama campaign's 2008 social media juggernaut (see "How Obama Really Did It"), which was codeveloped by Facebook cofounder Chris Hughes.

The Democrats are still focused on devising the best strategies for the campaign's late-summer and fall push, says Joe Trippi, the Democratic strategist who pioneered Internet fundraising with the Howard Dean campaign in 2004. "Right now they are just in the mode of: grow the network, grow the network. Connect as many people in the networks, with as much information as they can, and cross that data with voter information and phone numbers," he says.

The results of this effort will emerge in force after the conventions, he adds. "The final stage, obviously, will be the most sophisticated. What's most important in terms of being able to reach people is to know not only that the voter is undecided—and also what issues, what is holding them up from crossing the line—but who their friends are in the network that might be able to talk to them. And then get those friends the information that says, 'We need you to talk to your friend in Pennsylvania about these three issues that matter most to them,' " Trippi explains. "This is a field organizer's dream."
 
Notwithstanding President Obama's use of social media in 2008 it, campaigning on social media, has one big drawback: those who use social media most vote least ~ and vice versa.
 
And tell this to Jewish voters. The disintegration of the Jewish support for the LPC is noted (and for most of the same factors). The roughes gallery of anti Semites has one serious error; they are not right wing at all (the name National Socialist German Worker's party is a dead giveaway of where they stand, and the Klan was a Democrat Party organization):

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/07/20/lawrence-solomon-losing-the-anti-semite-card/

Next: Jews for Romney.

Posted in: FP Comment  Tags: Democratic Party, Jews, Judaism, left, United States
Lawrence Solomon

Earlier this week at a Pennsylvania rally sponsored by Jewish Americans for Obama and headlined by Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the 1,000 Jews in attendance in a synagogue auditorium heard one speaker portray the Republican Party as theocratic anti-Semites who didn’t believe in the separation of church and state; another Democrat described his experiences with anti-Semites in Arizona.

The message — that Republicans and their ilk are anti-Semites — is a familiar one. Jews have long believed that right-wingers tend to be anti-Semites, whether they identify as Nazis, members of the Ku Klux Klan, John Birchers, conservatives, evangelicals, or Republicans. At the height of the Tea Party movement, Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi characterized the protesters as Nazis, saying “You be the judge. They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care.” (Interpolation by me: This is Libel. There is not now, now was there ever any documentary evidence or proof of this) On an earlier Bill Maher show, New York’s Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer joked that most anti-Semites vote Republican.

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    Lawrence Solomon: The lost tribe of Obama

But today, many Jews are no longer laughing along. The anti-Semite card that Democrats have played so deftly over the years — the single-biggest reason Jews provide Democrats with more than 50% of their campaign funding — looks phony to many Jews. When Schultz got up to speak in praise of Obama, the normally sedate Jewish audience heckled her, leaving her visibly rattled.

The upset many Jews feel today is mostly directed toward Obama, whom they see as tolerant of anti-Semites such as Louis Farrakhan, tolerant of anti-Semitic organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood, and intolerant, even hostile, to Israel. But Democrats on the whole need beware — more than a presidential election is at stake.

When Jews began to perceive Canada’s Liberal Party as being tolerant of anti-Semitism and unfair to Israel — such as through Liberal participation in the UN Durban conference and the accusation that Israel had committed a war crime — the rock-solid support that the Liberals had long enjoyed from Jews evaporated. Over the last decade, Jewish voters and Jewish money steadily moved toward the Conservatives, helping first to give them minority governments and then, in an election last year, swinging massively, helping to give the Conservatives a majority government. The Liberal Party, which had governed Canada for most of the last century and was considered “Canada’s natural governing party,” became relegated to third-party status. Bereft of Jewish votes and, much more importantly, much of the Jewish funding that in the past had helped sustain it, the Liberal Party, some predict, may disappear.

America’s Jews, who for more than a century were prominent in the union movement and the civil rights movement, traditionally found their home in the Democratic Party, particularly since country club Republicans didn’t consider Jews acceptable company. The left-leaning Jewish community especially took to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a left-leaner himself who appointed numerous Jews to top positions and stood by them, despite intense criticism of his Jewish ties and his New Deal (also known as the “Jew Deal”). FDR also won Jewish loyalty for his decision to fight the Nazis in the Second World War, despite fierce opposition from the America First Committee, whose flamboyant spokesman, Charles Lindbergh, blamed pressure to enter the war on Jews and their “large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government.” Anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli views by leading Republicans and by evangelicals in the following decades reinforced the view that Jews weren’t welcome in the Republican Party.
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But today the politics is realigning. Anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli venom is on the rise, and it is coming mostly from the left. Anti-Semitism on U.S. college campuses is a “serious problem,” concluded the 2006 U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. “There is more sympathy for Hamas [on U.S. campuses] than there is in Ramallah,” wrote award-winning Palestinian journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, who found during a 2009 speaking tour of the U.S. that it “is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state.”

Surveys by Jewish organizations confirm that anti-Semitism is on the rise, as does a 2009 survey by researchers at Stanford and Columbia University, designed to find explicit prejudice toward Jews as a result of the financial meltdown. To the researchers’ surprise, they found that “Democrats were especially prone to blaming Jews: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, only 18.4% of Republicans did so,” a difference that jars “given the presumed higher degree of racial tolerance among liberals and the fact that Jews are a central part of the Democratic Party’s electoral coalition.” Warning that “we must take heed of prejudice and bigotry that have already started to sink roots in the United States,” the authors noted that “Crises often have the potential to stoke fears and resentment, and the current economic collapse is likely no exception.”

Almost as if on cue, the Occupy Wall Street movement arose, with Jews often crudely singled out for blame, and with prominent Democrats, Obama and Pelosi among them, stoking the anti-1% sentiment. Anti-Semitism is coming close to home for many of America’s Jews, who see themselves in the 1% and who see their children — students at American campuses — too intimidated to speak out against the anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli activities that confront them.

As Jews are reassessing their support for Obama and other Democratic candidates, they are also beginning to warm to Republicans. Much of the credit here belongs to Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority, who made it unacceptable for evangelicals to be anti-Semitic. Evangelicals and the American right are now unabashedly in the Jewish and Israeli corner, leading many Jews to end their reflexive opposition to anything labelled right-wing.

In Canada, Jewish alarm at Liberal tolerance of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli policies, coupled with Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s unequivocal stance against terrorism — “[There’s no] moral equivalence between a pyromaniac and a firefighter” — persuaded Jewish captains of industry who were also Liberal funders and fundraisers to tear up their Liberal membership cards and throw their support behind the Conservatives. In the U.S., where the Democrats are losing their ability to play the anti-Semite card, a similar phenomenon could be underway.

Financial Post

For more insight into why Canada’s Jews left the Liberals for the Conservatives, click here.

 
Thucydides said:
And tell this to Jewish voters. The disintegration of the Jewish support for the LPC is noted (and for most of the same factors). The roughes gallery of anti Semites has one serious error; they are not right wing at all (the name National Socialist German Worker's party is a dead giveaway of where they stand, and the Klan was a Democrat Party organization):

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/07/20/lawrence-solomon-losing-the-anti-semite-card/

:facepalm:

Not that it's particularly relevant to the subject, but people still trot out this old canard?! Really? Does anyone actually believe this still (other than you, obviously)?

Remind me which political parties and groups were heavily persecuted by the Nazis in WW2 again? Social democrats, socialists, communists, trade unionists, and anyone else generally perceived as "the left".  Remind me who were purged on the Night Of The Long Knives? Those people who belong to the SA primarily, who actually had socialist leanings. Who funded the Nazis and helped them ascend to power? Conservatives and big business. Why? Because they benefited from Nazi policies like eradicating unions. Germany under the Nazis looked absolutely nothing like what socialists or social democrats advocate as a model for the state.

http://benatlas.com/2011/04/hitler-on-socialism-and-marxism/ is worth a very quick read.

More to the article, when did criticizing Israeli politics, particularly on the issue of relations with Palestinians, become anti-semitism?! That's complete nonsense. If it were true, I know quite a few anti-semitic Jews, and if that's not ridiculous, I don't know what is. In my experience, Jewish people have a wide variety of political views and don't vote generally as a block. They certainly seem to have a wide variety of views about Israel, too.
 
An Ad Hominem attack, several strawmen and totally avoiding the issue all in one response. Awesome job.






 
Seems that the GOP really does have an anti jobs agenda.

Typo in House jobs bill leaves 'un' out of 'unemployment'

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78928.html

A typo in the House’s latest jobs bill would freeze all major regulations until nearly everyone is out of a job.

A version of H.R. 4078 posted on the House Rules Committee website would put a freeze on significant regulatory actions until the “average of monthly employment rates for any quarter … is equal to or less than 6.0 percent.”

The glitch — “employment” instead of “unemployment” — would mean no more major regulations until unemployment hits 94 percent.

Democrats gleefully seized on the error.

“The Republicans have made a big typo in their latest message bill to nowhere,” wrote Drew Hammill, spokesman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. “Looks like they should stop harping about ‘red tape’ and start looking for the white out.”

Rules Committee spokesman Doug Andres said GOP members “hope to fix the error by unanimous consent, and we hope the Democrats will cooperate with us.”

BUSTED! ;D
 
Finally, I won't have to listen to Mitt Romney's butchered version of "America the Beautiful".

Obama to run ads pushing back on 'you didn't build that' (Updated)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/07/obama-to-run-ads-pushing-back-on-you-didnt-build-that-129955.html

President Obama, who's gotten a lot of strife from the Romney campaign and national Republicans in the last week for his "you didn't build that" comment, is launching a new swing-state TV ad to push back on the criticism.

Per the White House pool report this afternoon:

    [Obama campaign press secretary Jen] Psaki began by showing a new 30-second television ad being launched by the Obama campaign in six states, featuring the president speaking direct to camera answering the “you didn’t build that” attacks by Gov. Romney. The six states: Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia. Told the campaign will send out shortly.

    Psaki: We are not going to stand by while Mitt Romney slices and dices and deliberately takes out of context the president’s remarks on businesses.

For the Obama campaign to address the comment directly, they must think it's starting to leave a mark. And this is the kind of pushback the campaign had planned on delivering late last week, when the Colorado shooting put politics temporarily on hold.

It's also the second ad from the campaign this week in which Obama speaks directly to the camera -- which takes advantage of Obama's high personal likeability, an asset he has that Romney so far does not.

I'll update this post when video of the ad is available.

UPDATE: The campaign has released video of the ad, "Always," which is included below.

"Those ads taking my words about small business out of context, they're flat out wrong," Obama says. "Of course Americans build their own businesses. Every day, hardworking people sacrifice to meet a payroll, create jobs and make our economy run. And what I said was that we need to stand behind them, as America always has."
 
cupper said:
Finally, I won't have to listen to Mitt Romney's butchered version of "America the Beautiful".

Obama to run ads pushing back on 'you didn't build that' (Updated)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/07/obama-to-run-ads-pushing-back-on-you-didnt-build-that-129955.html

Interesting . . . Doublling down on a big mistake  is a real gutsy move.

They'll be calling him "Mav" pretty soon.

Obama has resorted to going all negative all the time at a very early stage in the campaign.


Watch his positive:negative poll numbers to see if it works.

I doubt it will but he is a very skilled politician and he still has the MSM on his side at this point.

If his negatives skyrocket, all he will have left is the POTUS option of reacting to a foreign "crisis".

The Middle East could provide Obama a wonderful stay-the-course story.


 
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