Trump signs massive defense bill

[Gimli]

More soldiers.  Better pay.  Good job Trump! 

Wish Canada would step up as well.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34440/trump-signs-massive-defense-bill-biggest-pay-raise-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

 

[FJAG]

I note that while Trump has signed the bill, he has never yet called it by it's full and proper name: "The John S McCain National Defence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019"

Still hates McCain.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-defense-spending/index.html

:cheers:

 

[PPCLI Guy]

More soldiers.  Better pay.  Good job Trump! 

Wish Canada would step up as well.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34440/trump-signs-massive-defense-bill-biggest-pay-raise-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

The Defence bill is bigger than their already untenable deficit.  Good job indeed

 

[tomahawk6]

The government takes in a lot of money but runs a defecit. At some point the chickens will com hom to roost. Defense spending is a necessary evil and is spelled out in the Constitution. My retied pay never has bounced thankfully. 8)

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

 

[Halifax Tar]

The government takes in a lot of money but runs a defecit. At some point the chickens will com hom to roost. Defense spending is a necessary evil and is spelled out in the Constitution. My retied pay never has bounced thankfully. 8)

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

Is the US Defence budget really a necessity ? 

 

[tomahawk6]

Is the US Defence budget really a necessity ?

Yes it is paying welfare for example is not in the Constitution but we do it anyway because we are a compassionate country.This bill prevents the Pentagon from reducing troop numbers without the Sec of Defense certified it was in the national interest.

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/defense-act-restricts-efforts-to-cut-us-troop-numbers-in-south-korea-1.542502 

https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/the-constitutional-charge-defend-america

 

[daftandbarmy]

Is the US Defence budget really a necessity ?

It is for the 'Free World Freeloaders'

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The government takes in a lot of money but runs a defecit. At some point the chickens will com hom to roost. Defense spending is a necessary evil and is spelled out in the Constitution. My retied pay never has bounced thankfully. 8)

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

The Constitution (not surprisingly) directs that a standing force be maintained.  It does not direct that it be larger (in $ terms) than the next 10 countries combined.  That is a discretionary choice.

 

[tomahawk6]

The Constitution (not surprisingly) directs that a standing force be maintained.  It does not direct that it be larger (in $ terms) than the next 10 countries combined.  That is a discretionary choice.

I would not want to live in a world without the protection that the military affords. I would like to see a return to cold war strengths and if its not practical at least increase the size of the Army National Guard and Army/USMC Reserves.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Our own military is in shambles, unequipped and nothing more than a political pawn.

I really don't think we should be dissecting anyone else's military.

We are not morally positioned for that.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Our own military is in shambles, unequipped and nothing more than a political pawn.

I really don't think we should be dissecting anyone else's military.

We are not morally positioned for that.

There is no moral judgement implied or otherwise in this simple statement of fact:

The Constitution (not surprisingly) directs that a standing force be maintained.  It does not direct that it be larger (in $ terms) than the next 10 countries combined.  That is a discretionary choice.

 

[PuckChaser]

The Defence bill is bigger than their already untenable deficit.  Good job indeed

I mean, at least they're getting some defense spending for their untenable deficit, but we're just asking for too much.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Comparison of Deficit as a percentage of GDP

In FY 2017 the US federal deficit was 3.4 percent of GDP. This year, FY 2018, the federal government in its latest budget has estimated that the deficit will be 4.2 percent of GDP. 

Canada recorded a Government Budget deficit equal to 0.90 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. Government Budget in Canada averaged -1.80 percent of GDP from 1949 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 5.10 percent of GDP in 1950 and a record low of -8.30 percent of GDP in 1985.

Comparison of debt as a percentage of GDP:

Canada recorded a government debt equivalent to 89.60 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. Government Debt to GDP in Canada averaged 78.07 percent from 1980 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 100.60 percent in 1996 and a record low of 45.10 percent in 1980. 

The United States recorded a government debt equivalent to 105.40 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. Government Debt to GDP in the United States averaged 61.70 percent from 1940 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 118.90 percent in 1946 and a record low of 31.70 percent in 1981.

There is a point at which deficits and debt are no longer tenable.  I don't know what that point is, but it appears that the US is closer to it.

 

[PuckChaser]

Depends on your defintion of tenable. You're using the "unsustainable" definition. Its up to the US Government or our Government to use the "defended against attack or objection" definition. All of those definitions can be spun with whatever statistics justify your position for whatever definition or side of the argument you're on.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There is no moral judgement implied or otherwise in this simple statement of fact:

I wasn't talking about the Constitution.

To use d&b's term, Free World Freeloaders.

Including Canada.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I note that while Trump has signed the bill, he has never yet called it by it's full and proper name: "The John S McCain National Defence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019"

Still hates McCain.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-defense-spending/index.html

:cheers:

Besides being onerous to say, it is some thing that usually is done. Most pick up names like the 'military spending bill' and are referenced by that, while being worked on.

Lots of people hate McCain. Doesn't mean they're wrong.

 

[FJAG]

Besides being onerous to say, it is some thing that usually is done. Most pick up names like the 'military spending bill' and are referenced by that, while being worked on.

Lots of people hate McCain. Doesn't mean they're wrong.

Not to use his name when it's on the bill isn't wrong. Just petty.

:cheers:

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Again, politicians don't go around talking about bills by their formal and appointed name. Not until it's required.

It would be petty, if you had proof, instead of opinion.

 

[Til.Valhall]

Again, politicians don't go around talking about bills by their formal and appointed name. Not until it's required.

It would be petty, if you had proof, instead of opinion.

Proof not required. Unless you live under a rock.

 

[FJAG]

Again, politicians don't go around talking about bills by their formal and appointed name. Not until it's required.

It would be petty, if you had proof, instead of opinion.

Are you saying that my opinion is worth less than yours?

Here are articles that point out Trump's oversight.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-defense-spending/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/14/trump-fails-to-mention-john-mccain-at-signing-of-defence-bill-named-after-him

http://time.com/5365956/trump-john-mccain-defense-bill/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/politics/trump-mccain-defense-spending.html

even here:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/13/trump-signs-717-billion-defense-bill-including-26-percent-troop-pay-raise.html

I could give you thirty or forty more.

:nana: