Transition to Municipal Police Force

[OldSolduer]

Speaking of which, my buddy just attended a domestic in Surrey, where everyone was yelling at everyone and then the pet bird settled onto his shoulder and started snuggling him. At which point, everyone started laughing and that helped calm the situation. So based on that, we are going to issue everyone with a talking parrot for domestic calls.

I am all for parrots especially the Norwegian Blue. Lovely plumage but it does like restin a lot...

 

[mariomike]

I know all sorts of Toronto police and fire who have patched over to other services.

To add, Toronto Police Recruiting FAQ:

I have presently accumulated 10 years of service with my current agency. Is this seniority transferrable?

Lateral Entry applicants are considered new hires. There is no consideration given to previous service with other police agencies.

Can't be easy with ten years seniority elsewhere being a probie in Toronto.

Regarding Toronto firefighters,

I found it interesting that fire fighters with many years experience with a full-time fire department elsewhere were willing to leave to pursue there ( sic ) “dreams” as they put it and work for Toronto Fire. It made me feel a little bit special that I have been a part of an organization that others envy and want to be a part of as well.

Frank Ramagnano Secretary - Treasurer,Toronto Professional Fire Fighters’ Association I.A.F.F. Local 3888

https://www.torontofirefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/firewatch/Spring2009.pdf

 

[RedFive]

Surrey Police Service prepares to take command, ending years-long saga

 

[Booter]

Surrey Police Service prepares to take command, ending years-long saga

Are they policing more than half the city and staff more than 50% the article has them only doing district 1 and 3 while the rcmp are 2/4/5

 

[daftandbarmy]

Surrey Police Service prepares to take command, ending years-long saga

 

[RedFive]

Are they policing more than half the city and staff more than 50% the article has them only doing district 1 and 3 while the rcmp are 2/4/5

They are policing all of Whalley (1), and frontline Newton (3) but not investigative support. We are still doing frontline Guildford (2) Cloverdale (4) and South Surrey (5) as well as all investigative support/specialized sections for 2, 3 (sort of), 4, and 5. So they're doing less than a third of the work.

They did this at midnight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1862578984564773079

And had a parade this morning.

We should have walked away a long, long time ago.

 

[daftandbarmy]

They are policing all of Whalley (1), and frontline Newton (3) but not investigative support. We are still doing frontline Guildford (2) Cloverdale (4) and South Surrey (5) as well as all investigative support/specialized sections for 2, 3 (sort of), 4, and 5. So they're doing less than a third of the work.

They did this at midnight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1862578984564773079

And had a parade this morning.

We should have walked away a long, long time ago.

And, magically and concurrently, Mike Farnworth is no longer the BC Sol Gen and a former RCMP Officer, with alot of service time in Surrey, steps in to take his place

BC Gov News

Honourable Garry Begg

news.gov.bc.ca

 

[RedFive]

And, magically and concurrently, Mike Farnworth is no longer the BC Sol Gen and a former RCMP Officer, with alot of service time in Surrey, steps in to take his place

BC Gov News

Honourable Garry Begg

news.gov.bc.ca

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[brihard]

And, magically and concurrently, Mike Farnworth is no longer the BC Sol Gen and a former RCMP Officer, with alot of service time in Surrey, steps in to take his place

BC Gov News

Honourable Garry Begg

news.gov.bc.ca

Any rumblings of other municipalities or regional groups thereof looking to follow suit? Or has the Surrey debacle scared other jurisdictions off for now?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think Grand Prairie, AB is currently making a run at Municipal Policing.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Any rumblings of other municipalities or regional groups thereof looking to follow suit? Or has the Surrey debacle scared other jurisdictions off for now?

Based on Surrey's experience, I think all the munis in BC have been successfully deterred from ever wanting to get rid of the RCMP.

Well played, RCMP, well played

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I think the Municipalities and the provincial governments are at odds on this subject.

 

[brihard]

I think the Municipalities and the provincial governments are at odds on this subject.

In what way? Like the province may wish to push provincialization/regionalization?

 

[lenaitch]

I've often been curious about the lack of ability/willingness/will to amalgamate or regionalize the greater Vancouver and Victoria areas. These strike me as low hanging fruit. Of course, giving up the RCMP gives up a fair bit of federal funding the way I understand it.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

In what way? Like the province may wish to push provincialization/regionalization?

Yea it seems the government rammed this down the municipalities throat when the support for it was lukewarm.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yea it seems the government rammed this down the municipalities throat when the support for it was lukewarm.

Surrey wanted it...



The decision to move to a municipal force to replace the RCMP in B.C.’s second-most-populous city was made in 2018 under then-mayor Doug McCallum and approved by the province.

A 2019 transition plan said Surrey was the largest city in Canada without its own municipal force. It said a city force would bring oversight to the local level instead of Ottawa and be more responsive to changing conditions and demands, and more representative of the community.

Surrey Police Service takes over command from RCMP

SPS is now the force of jurisdiction, but gradual replacement of RCMP officers will take two or three more years. Find out more.

vancouversun.com

 

[quadrapiper]

I've often been curious about the lack of ability/willingness/will to amalgamate or regionalize the greater Vancouver and Victoria areas. These strike me as low hanging fruit. Of course, giving up the RCMP gives up a fair bit of federal funding the way I understand it.

Never been quite sure why (even if the thirteen municipalities remain unchanged) there aren't more things handled by the Regional District, including things as disparate as policing and arts venues, which City of Vic currently wholly or primarily funds but which are dealing with whole-region needs. City of Vic proper is the work and entertainment centre of gravity for the entire region, plus (along with suburban Saanich, which you can't really tell from Victoria...), and carries an outsized share of the expenses.

Feels like, as a rule of thumb, if you can't tell where one ends and the other begins on a satellite photo, there's probably no reason for multiple municipal governments. (see also: Duncan and the residential part of North Cowichan, and no doubt dozens of other similarly small examples).

 

[daftandbarmy]

Never been quite sure why (even if the thirteen municipalities remain unchanged) there aren't more things handled by the Regional District, including things as disparate as policing and arts venues, which City of Vic currently wholly or primarily funds but which are dealing with whole-region needs. City of Vic proper is the work and entertainment centre of gravity for the entire region, plus (along with suburban Saanich, which you can't really tell from Victoria...), and carries an outsized share of the expenses.

Feels like, as a rule of thumb, if you can't tell where one ends and the other begins on a satellite photo, there's probably no reason for multiple municipal governments. (see also: Duncan and the residential part of North Cowichan, and no doubt dozens of other similarly small examples).

You don't 'get' us, do you?

 

[Booter]

Never been quite sure why (even if the thirteen municipalities remain unchanged) there aren't more things handled by the Regional District, including things as disparate as policing and arts venues, which City of Vic currently wholly or primarily funds but which are dealing with whole-region needs. City of Vic proper is the work and entertainment centre of gravity for the entire region, plus (along with suburban Saanich, which you can't really tell from Victoria...), and carries an outsized share of the expenses.

Feels like, as a rule of thumb, if you can't tell where one ends and the other begins on a satellite photo, there's probably no reason for multiple municipal governments. (see also: Duncan and the residential part of North Cowichan, and no doubt dozens of other similarly small examples).

Regional forces are the future. You’ll see this long before new provincial forces.

I suspect this is how Alberta will go- they will support transitioning to regional forces with support from the provincial government rather than a substantial APP.

 

[quadrapiper]

Oak or James Bay, is that you?