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The US Presidency 2020

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The WaPo doesn't necessarily "get it right"; it too is merely a particular "point of view".

"current and former law enforcement officials said the decision was a betrayal of long-standing Justice Department principles."

Andrew McCarthy is a "former law enforcement official" who believes the investigation and prosecution was a betrayal of various principles; he at least has argued his points in more than an anonymously-sourced fragment.  There is disagreement on what constitutes "right".

Dan McLaughlin (NRO) also has a view.  He disagrees with McCarthy and Dershowitz on the questions of materiality and perjury trap:

"As a matter of rules, the legal requirement that lies be material to an investigation can arguably be met in those circumstances: The materiality standard is about what information would affect an investigation, not whether it actually did. As a matter of rules, Flynn would not meet the high test for entrapment, or for a “perjury trap,” even if you applied that doctrine to a lies-to-investigators case."

He also points out:

"But if your argument in the Flynn case is simply “he should be prosecuted if the law allows it,” you’re not dealing seriously with the world as it is.

That is especially so given the Justice Department’s refusal to prosecute former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, who was found by the DOJ inspector general to have lied to investigators; or President Obama’s director of national intelligence James Clapper, who lied under oath to the Senate about warrantless surveillance; or Obama’s CIA director John Brennan, who lied under oath about CIA drone strikes and spying on Congress; or, for that matter, Democratic National Committee chair Thomas Perez, who was reprimanded by Congress for multiple lies and concealment while serving as assistant attorney general for civil rights."

And:

"If you’re going to base a prosecution entirely on the integrity of the process, you cannot very well hand-wave away your own violations of the integrity of the process."

There is more to come (Durham's investigation), regarding "violations of the integrity of the process".  The fictions and bad-faith investigations prompted by the Steele dossier have been peeled away.  This matter has been peeled away.  I doubt it ends here.
 
FJAG said:
The problem isn't some lame excuse culled from some FBI agents notes as to "what is our objective". The problem is that under Barr the Department of Justice has turned into a politicized toady for the presidency. Democracies can recover from some misdeed (and I dispute that there even was one) from some low level bureaucrat. It will be almost impossible to recover from this high-level of perversion of justice and the self-serving division that has been created amongst the people of the US.

The Washington Post got it right :

I guess your point of view depends very much on who you consider to be the heroes and who you consider to be the villains in this piece of Kabuki theatre.

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Jarnhamar said:
I've seen  members in the CAF accused of things and plead guilty/accept punishment to things they were innocent of because they knew pissing off the chain of command was worse than the punishment (guilty of accepting punishment while innocent myself).

Try reading the information released by the House Intellkigence Committee. Rather interesting are the testimony in private by Clapper and Brennan then compare it to their public comments on CNN,NBC and other platforms they have used to defame Trump.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Try reading the information released by the House Intellkigence Committee. Rather interesting are the testimony in private by Clapper and Brennan then compare it to their public comments on CNN,NBC and other platforms they have used to defame Trump.

Can you save me a few hours of boring reading and just post excerpts and links to the relevant parts. I'm quite busy these days binge watching the Ozarks and the Last Kingdom.  ;D
 
FJAG said:
Democracies can recover from some misdeed (and I dispute that there even was one) from some low level bureaucrat.
That low level bureaucrat has the full weight of the government behind them. It is an awesome power and should never be used against citizens without justification. I guess it is all fine and dandy until it happens to you. Anyway, I said in my original post that Flynn is on his way to vindication not that he is there yet. Judge Sullivan will make the final determination on that. I am certain he will write several sentences or maybe a whole page on his opinion on the entire matter.
 
From a military "justice" standpoint I have seen both justice and injustice. The result is in the eye of the beholder. One case involved a racial incident with a firearm. Result, the shooter was viewed as a victim and had his case overturned, soldier was reassigned to a different base. In another case which was a company level punishment where the soldier disobeyed an order to get a haircut but the soldier was due to leave the Army in a week. Another company level case was an assault hitting a soldier in the face with a crutch. Soldier went to Leavenworth. Then there were the odd cases of NCO's sleeping with the wives of junior's. Result loss of stripes and fine. I found that the types of crimes found in the civilian world happen in the military too.
 
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-released-home-confinement/story?id=70642927

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort released to home confinement amid coronavirus concerns

President Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been released from prison to serve the remainder of his sentence in home confinement because of concerns over the novel coronavirus, two sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.

Manafort was released from FCI Loretto in central Pennsylvania early Wednesday morning, the two sources said.
 
The POTUS is taking HYdroxychloriquin..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161


 
Remius said:
The POTUS is taking HYdroxychloriquin..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161

Trump says he is taking unproven drug hydroxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161


 
Joe Biden's new nickname for Trump is now "President Tweety". In the video Biden released he had to compete with honking geese and a cell phone of some person and somebody in the background, a very smooth presentation. So there goes Biden's promise not to engage in name calling like the "other guy". Another thing he never took into account, Tweety always wins against Sylvester, lesson learned Joe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/joe-biden-gives-trump-the-new-nickname-president-tweety-and-demands-he-get-off-social-media-and-focus-on-the-pandemic-crisis/ar-BB14hLET

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8336289/Bidens-campaign-speech-interrupted-squawking-geese-ringing-iPhone-mystery-man-him.html
 
Remius said:
The POTUS is taking HYdroxychloriquin..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161

Sure. At this point why *wouldn't* he go further out of his way to undermine the medical experts? Now we'll be right back to people clamouring to hoard a drug that others legitimately need and that doesn't work in this context. I know this current administration is not fond of evidence based best practices, but if there was ever a time to set a positive example based on the best available information... He'd do much better for America being seen to mask up, maintain physical distancing, and using his very powerful voice to extend an olive branch to health authorities and maybe to get more of his herd taking them seriously...
 
FSTO said:
You think his staff is giving him a placebo?

Where did I suggest that?

Brihard said:
extend an olive branch to health authorities and maybe to get more of his herd taking them seriously...

How likely is that to happen?
https://www.google.com/search?q=muzzled+cdc&sxsrf=ALeKk00QZUxashZHVT3c-kIsZd2yow9ZZQ:1589980348267&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxt-6uwsLpAhVmkuAKHbDCDnIQpwV6BAgLEBw&biw=1280&bih=641#spf=1589980391094
 
Trump threatens funds for states easing voting in pandemic

President Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to hold up federal funds for two battleground states because they are trying to make it easier to vote during the coronavirus pandemic.

The president%u2019s tweets targeting Michigan and Nevada were his latest salvo against voting by mail, a practice that he has publicly worried will lead so many people to vote that Republicans will lose in November.

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https://apnews.com/61ed35968fb6b0420e463ac65f6ed058

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-threatens-funding-michigan-absentee-ballot-move-70785122

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-vote-by-mail-tweets-withhold-state-funding-michigan-nevada/
 
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us-election-2020/trump-will-lose-in-a-landslide-because-of-the-economy-new-election-model-predicts/ar-BB14nDdu?ocid=spartandhp
 
He was supposed to get slaughtered in the last election too, according to all the egg spurts.
 
Sadly its such a horrible toss up between two terriblest candidates, people probably won't go out to vote again. 
 
Trump lashes out at scientists whose findings contradict him

"A Trump enemy statement," he said of one study.

"A political hit job," he said of another.

As President Donald Trump pushes to reopen the country despite warnings from doctors about the consequences of moving too quickly during the coronavirus crisis, he has been lashing out at scientists whose conclusions he doesn't like.

Twice this week, Trump has not only dismissed the findings of studies but suggested - without evidence - that their authors were motivated by politics and out to undermine his efforts to roll back coronavirus restrictions.

First it was a study funded in part by his own government's National Institutes of Health that raised alarms about the use of hydroxychloroquine, finding higher overall mortality in coronavirus patients who took the drug while in Veterans Administration hospitals. Trump and many of his allies had been trumpeting the drug as a miracle cure and Trump this week revealed that he has been taking it to try to ward off the virus - despite an FDA warning last month that it should only be used in hospital settings or clinical trials because of the risk of serious side effects, including life-threatening heart problems.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/trump-lashes-scientists-findings-contradict-70827919

https://apnews.com/30b35bfadcc9e827c81986e86ced4b15
 
Twitter places fact-check notification on Trump tweet about mail-in ballots

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Twitter on Tuesday for the first time prompted readers to check the facts in tweets sent by U.S. President Donald Trump, warning readers his claims about mail-in ballots were false and had been debunked by fact checkers.

The blue exclamation mark notification prompted readers to "get the facts about mail-in ballots" and directed them to a page with news articles and information from fact-checkers about the claims.

"Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud," a headline at the top of the page said.

Trump had claimed in tweets earlier in the day that mail-in ballots would be "substantially fraudulent" and result in a "rigged election." He also singled out the governor of California over the issue, although the state is not the only one to use mail-in ballots.

Twitter confirmed this was the first time it had applied a label to a tweet by the president under its new "misleading information" policy, introduced earlier in the month.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-trump/twitter-places-fact-check-notification-on-trump-tweet-about-mail-in-ballots-idUSKBN232389
 
While Trump tries to discredit mail voting, GOP officials move ahead with plans

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And while the president pushes [this] narrative, without offering any proof to substantiate his accusations, in many cases, officials from his own party are promoting vote-by-mail options ahead of upcoming primaries across the country.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mail-in-voting-republican-officials-preparation/

Trump doubles down on unfounded conspiracy theory involving Scarborough aide

President Trump on Tuesday doubled down on his attacks linking MSNBC host Joe Scarborough to an unfounded conspiracy theory about the death of a former congressional aide. Mr. Trump repeated a line used by press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, referencing remarks from a 2003 interview where radio host Don Imus talked about Lori Klausutis' death.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kayleigh-mcenany-dodges-trump-tweets-unfounded-conspiracy-theory-joe-scarborough/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/widowers-plea-trump-doubles-murder-conspiracy-theory-targeting/story?id=70893155

Trump threatens social media companies after Twitter adds fact-checking labels to tweets

https://apnews.com/c8898aad60175df06ebd160023285001

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-trump/trump-threatens-to-shutter-social-media-companies-after-twitter-warning-idUSKBN2331NK

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-threatens-social-media-companies-fact-checking-tweets/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-threatens-close-social-media-platforms-twitter-fact/story?id=70899912
 
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