The Unintended Consequences of Diversity Statements

[Quirky]

The rainbow community having equal rights and basically left to live their lives as they chose is fair enough.

That’s not enough. They DEMAND to be recognized as a different group of society because they FEEL special. Fly the flag and paint the sidewalks or else!

 

[Kirkhill]

Lemme explain it to you (I suspect you know it already and just want to jump on the far left radical band wagon AGAIN)

LGBTQ have all the rights and recognition of everyone else. That means that they also have the right to go do their own damn thing and not worry about whether it affects someone else.

I should bitch because the Irish flag doesn't get flown in the same town and truth be told, they were an oppressed group, like 120 years ago. My Maternal Grandfather is Irish. Times have you know, like moved the fuck on. Like you should.

The rainbow community having equal rights and basically left to live their lives as they chose is fair enough. Get the over it already, I don't see huge crowds of people out threatening to "gay bash" like in 1983.

Hey up! I want my part of Ireland. Taking over my part of Rheged, forcing us all to be called Scots and taking good Christians back to Eire as slaves...

And just when we might have been getting a grip on that bunch of foreigners we ended up having to deal with Danes and Norwegians.

 

[Quirky]

Ironically, with how many immigrants the liberals have allowed to come in, vast majority are from regions that are physically hostile towards homosexuals, nevermind the rest of the alphabet. Diversity is our strength am I rite!

 

[dangerboy]

They always had the same rights.

Are you trying to say the LGBTQ have always had the same rights as the majority of Canadians?

It was not until 1969 that decriminalized sexual activity between men occurred, meanwhile, it has always been legal for men and women to have sexual activities.

It was not until 2003 when Ontario legalized same-sex marriage that you could marry a person of the same sex. So a lot of people could not marry who they loved, a right that heterosexual couples have always had.

 

[Quirky]

Are you trying to say the LGBTQ have always had the same rights as the majority of Canadians?

It was not until 1969 that decriminalized sexual activity between men occurred, meanwhile, it has always been legal for men and women to have sexual activities.

It was not until 2003 when Ontario legalized same-sex marriage that you could marry a person of the same sex. So a lot of people could not marry who they loved, a right that heterosexual couples have always had.

Stop lumping in the LG with the rest of the alphabet and mathematical signs. They only started adding letters and +s because the entire movement was losing steam. It’s not about rights or marriage, it’s about keeping the money and outrage coming.

The Billionaires Behind the LGBT Movement | Jennifer Bilek

The LGBT rights agenda has become a powerful, aggressive force in American society.

www.firstthings.com

 

[dapaterson]

Remember: Viagra is gender-affirming care.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Explain why you think they are stupid? Stupid to me is being quick to attach a label to someone or an organization just because you don't like their decisions. The Human Rights tribunal is not a good standard to go by. Look at its very questionable history.

Moreso that the mayor was stupid in not knowing when to keep his mouth shut. The HRTO adjudicator's determination that the town council's decision was discriminatory rested on the comment made by the mayor that there was no flag for the “other side of the coin … for straight people” (see paras 51 to 57 of the HRTO decision). Though he was but one vote of the three that denied the proclamation and flag request, the adjudicator accepted that the other two nay voters did not have discriminatory reasons for their votes and thus the complaint against them as individuals was dismissed.

[51] However, Mayor McQuaker’s remark during the May 12 council meeting that there was no flag for the “other side of the coin … for straight people” was on its face dismissive of Borderland Pride’s flag request and demonstrated a lack of understanding of the importance to Borderland Pride and other members of the LGBTQ2 community of the Pride flag. I find this remark was demeaning and disparaging of the LGBTQ2 community of which Borderland Pride is a member and therefore constituted discrimination under the Code.

[52] Moreover, I infer from the close proximity of Mayor McQuaker’s discriminatory remark about the LGBTQ2 community to the vote on Borderland Pride’s proclamation request that Borderland Pride’s protected characteristics were at least a factor in his nay vote and therefore it too constituted discrimination under the Code.

[53] Having found that Mayor McQuaker’s nay vote was discriminatory, I must therefore find that council’s vote to defeat the resolution proclaiming Pride Month in the language submitted also constituted discrimination under the Code.

[54] Accordingly, I find that the applicant Borderland Pride has established on a balance of probabilities that the Township denied its 2020 proclamation request at least in part because of Borderland Pride’s protected characteristics, contrary the Code.

[55] I am however unable to find, based on the evidence presented, that the nay votes of Mr. Boven and Mr. Toles constituted discrimination under the Code. Both councillors expressed non-discriminatory reasons for their nay votes. Both wanted to delay the vote until a flags and proclamations policy was in place and Mr. Boven attempted to move to do so. Furthermore, following the vote on Borderland Pride’s requests, Mr. Toles proposed proclaiming Pride Month in similar language to the 2019 proclamation that was unanimously passed. No evidence was presented that these actions were taken for discriminatory reasons and I find that they were not.

[56] While I acknowledge Mr. Boven’s testimony that some of the proposed proclamation language was contrary to his own personal religious beliefs, he also said that his faith does not impact the decisions he makes as a councillor and that as an elected representative he must represent the whole community. Mr. Boven’s evidence was consistent in this regard, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I accept it.

[57] For all of the reasons above, I find that Borderland Pride has failed to prove on a balance of probabilities that its protected characteristics were a factor in the nay votes of Mr. Boven and Mr. Toles. Accordingly, the Application as against Mr. Toles and Mr. Boven is dismissed.

The Human Rights tribunal is not a good standard to go by. Look at its very questionable history.

As it's been 35 years since I've lived in Ontario, I don't have an impression of the quality of the HRTO output. My quick google of the subject suggests the major criticism is not the quality of their decisions but the quantity of the cases that they get to completion.

The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario: A Continuing Crisis – Tribunal Watch Ontario

tribunalwatch.ca

 

[dimsum]

There are a lot of things the CPC hasn't said they were going to do. So what is your point in this this comment other than to smear the CPC again?

The CPC is likely to win the next election. Quirky said that those groups would “soon be a distant memory”. I said that the CPC hasn’t said anything about banning those groups.

Tell me where I am smearing the CPC in those comments.

 

[dimsum]

Stop lumping in the LG with the rest of the alphabet and mathematical signs. They only started adding letters and +s because the entire movement was losing steam. It’s not about rights or marriage, it’s about keeping the money and outrage coming.

The Billionaires Behind the LGBT Movement | Jennifer Bilek

The LGBT rights agenda has become a powerful, aggressive force in American society.

www.firstthings.com

We were just answering a post that you brought up. Specifically, you said that gay, trans, etc had the same rights. Gay is the G in’s LGBTQ, so it’s a bit rich now saying to separate it.

But to also answer whether they had the same rights - it was illegal to be a homosexual in the CAF until not that long ago.

 

[Quirky]

I said that the CPC hasn’t said anything about banning those groups.

Of course you always think of the most extreme side of things and would assume that.

We were just answering a post that you brought up. Specifically, you said that gay, trans, etc had the same rights.

They do have the same rights. When you’re an adult you can do what you want, live your life. It’s the radical activists and mentally insane people who can’t live quietly like everyone else. These people are outraged when towns and governments don’t bow to their demands.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The CPC is likely to win the next election. Quirky said that those groups would “soon be a distant memory”. I said that the CPC hasn’t said anything about banning those groups.

I took the comments to mean straight people would become radicals and near extinct, like in Joe Haldeman's The Forever War.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Moreso that the mayor was stupid in not knowing when to keep his mouth shut. The HRTO adjudicator's determination that the town council's decision was discriminatory rested on the comment made by the mayor that there was no flag for the “other side of the coin … for straight people”

I agree with you. He should have just voted and kept his mouth shut. Now he's suffering the unintended consequences of an ill thought out diversity statement.


I wonder how well it would have been received if he/they voted to fly the 2SLBGTQIA+ flag in June, then, voted on flying some kind of Straight Pride flag in July. And I wonder if the HRTO would go after anyone discriminating against it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I took the comments to mean straight people would become radicals and near extinct, like in Joe Haldeman's The Forever War.

.... and, probably like many people in the CAF walking on egg shells these days, about 30% fear for their jobs according to a survey of 12,000...

UK employees fear losing their jobs due to EDI programmes​

Almost a third (31%) of UK employees fear they will lose their job if their organisation becomes more diverse and inclusive, according to new research by Dynata.

The report, Global Consumer Trends: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in the Workplace, surveyed 12,000 employees and employers across 11 countries about their attitudes to EDI initiatives in their workplace.

UK employees fear losing their jobs due to EDI programmes - HR Magazine

Almost a third (31%) of UK employees fear they will lose their job if their organisation becomes more diverse and inclusive, according to new research by Dynata.

www.hrmagazine.co.uk

 

[dimsum]

Of course you always think of the most extreme side of things and would assume that.

Assume…that the CPC would not be banning it?

If you go through our exchange, I said that the CPC has not said anything about banning it.

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . . And I wonder if the HRTO would go after anyone discriminating against it.

No, they wouldn't. The HRTO has no mandate nor jurisdiction to "make complaints". They are basically the tribunal that hears the complaints brought by other parties, whether initiated by private individuals, advocacy groups or in some cases the Ontario Human Rights Commission (another arms length provincial agency separate and distinct from the HRTO). Individuals/groups who file complaints to the HRTO have access to assistance from the Human Rights Legal Support Centre (another provincial agency).

 

[lenaitch]

Maybe the best answer here is to remove the ability to vote on such matters and simply make it illegal not to fly a pride flag in June.

I believe there are some municipalities in the province that have voted not to fly any event/special interest/etc. flag in an attempt to avoid this type of problem.

I agree that the mayor was hoisted on his own words.

And I wonder if the HRTO would go after anyone discriminating against it.

The tribunal can't, but the Ontario Human Rights Commission can.

 

[Jarnhamar]

No, they wouldn't. The HRTO has no mandate nor jurisdiction to "make complaints".

You're right, poor wording on my part. What I mean to ask is along the lines of if someone attempted to fly a Straight Pride flag and discriminatory comments were made (and a complaint filed) would they treat it the same way/take it seriously.

I'd be curious if there's a double standard.

I'm also curious about drag queen story time being a thing in a town of 1300. I wonder if it's become raison d'être to try and get people riled up.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I believe there are some municipalities in the province that have voted not to fly any event/special interest/etc. flag in an attempt to avoid this type of problem.

Raising the flag seems harmless to me, especially it makes young Canadians feel more comfortable.

Given the behavior by some 2SLBGTQIA+ advocates if they feel slighted, and leading to everyone else pining for special space and recognition, I don't blame municipalities for wanting to avoid the whole mine field.

 

[lenaitch]

I'm also curious about drag queen story time being a thing in a town of 1300. I wonder if it's become raison d'être to try and get people riled up.

Regardless of cause, advocacy groups gotta advocate. Even better if there is some government grant money thrown in.

 

[OldSolduer]

Regardless of cause, advocacy groups gotta advocate. Even better if there is some government grant money thrown in.

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