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The Military Police [MP] Superthread

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Thanks mariomike

mariomike said:
In addition to this MP Super-thread, you may also find these other  discussions about MP Officer ( MPO ) interesting and informative,

Questions about MP vs MPO 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/97835.25

Majors that can be used to be an MPO 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/117185.0

MPO transfer to civilian police?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/89768.0

MPO and MP?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/37489.0

MPO Reserve Requirements 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/121343.0

Education Requirements to become a MP or MPO 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/32608.75

MP MPO statistic?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/107710.0

MPO vs CivPol Commissioned Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/118738.0

Planning to pursue career of MPO pls help me.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/63572.0

MPO Misc 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/85449.0

MP officier  ( English thread)

Military Police Officer 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/116992.0

Applied for MP Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/120844.0

etc...

You can also check the Forces.ca and Recruiting.ca websites.

Edit to add

The Military Police [MP] Superthread  MPO
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+%22The+Military+Police+%5BMP%5D+Superthread%22+MPO&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=-o6hVpyIM6yC8QeAhrvQAg&gws_rd=ssl#q=site:army.ca+%22The+Military+Police+%5BMP%5D+Superthread%22+MPO&start=0
 
Thanks garb811. Do the MPOs get to chose on which field they specialize in?

I see the following in the Forces website:

SPECIALTY TRAINING
Military Police Officers may be offered the opportunity to develop specialized skills through formal courses and on-the-job training, including:

Criminal Identification Specialist
Polygraph Examiner
Major Crime Investigator
Crime Scene Manager
Major Case Team commander
Drug Investigator
Aircraft Security Specialist
Sexual Assault and Fraud Investigations
Homicide investigation
Forensic identification
Undercover operative
Close protection
Army tactical operations
Executive police development

As they progress in their career, Military Police Officers who demonstrate the required ability and potential will be offered advanced training. Available courses include:

Information Security Investigation Specialist
Criminal Investigator
Counter-Human Intelligence Specialist
Surveillance Operator
Officer Safety Instructor
Senior Police Administration

Most of the specializations on the top sound very interesting and are not usually available with the Civilian agencies. Can the MPOs choose to specialize in one of the above mentioned specialties based on interest or is it decided by the forces on which officer goes into a particular speciality?

garb811 said:
I take it you're applying Reg Force?  If so, please be aware that your degree will cause this to be an uphill battle for you as it is not one of our preferred degrees.  MPO is exceptionally competitive as the numbers accepted as DEO are counted in the single digits most years.
Do you mean a field Platoon, which work with the CMBGs?  If so, there are only a 6 x hard MPO positions there (1 x Snr Capt, 1 x Lt/Jnr Capt) and it is fair to say most MPO will not spend time with a Field Pl.
It all depends.  If your initial positing is to a place like Shilo, Bagotville or Wainwright, you will move fairly soon after (3-4 years).  If you hit a place like Ottawa...a recently retired former CFPM openly boasted he stayed put in Ottawa for 22 years in his retirement message.
Again, it depends.  On missions of any real size, MPO will deploy with it.  Smaller missions can deploy with a WO in charge.  As with postings, some get tagged multiple times, others are running around with none and are quite happy about that.
Yes, MPO are credentialed, it is required to exercise the oversight function of MP.  Unless there are special circumstances, MPO will not conduct investigations.
 
garb811 said:
I take it you're applying Reg Force?  If so, please be aware that your degree will cause this to be an uphill battle for you as it is not one of our preferred degrees. 

Yup, the degree does not meet the minimum Entry Standard for MPO, therefore, you are not eligible to apply for that occupation.
 
For example, Information Security Investigation Specialist is available as a civilian job (not as a sworn in officer) in the local services. And these jobs are few and far between. 


mariomike said:
With the exceptions of Aircraft Security Specialist and Army tactical operations, which ones are you referring to?
 
Yeah. I was told by the recruiter too that my degree is not a preferred one for the MPO trade. I am looking to upgrade as required through the paid education program.

mariomike said:
To add to the above,

Military Police (reg force) Academic req  ( Locked. Unable to quote, so will copy/paste. )
http://army.ca/forums/threads/99439/post-1018901.html#msg1018901
Reply #1

QUOTE

MPO

DEO

The ideal MPO candidate has an undergraduate degree from a recognized Canadian university in any of the following programs:

- Criminal Justice

- Criminology

- Emergency/Crisis and Disaster Management

- Justice Studies

- Law

- Police Science

- Psychology

- Sociology

It is also acceptable, though less desirable, to have any undergraduate degree from a recognized Canadian university.  In such case, applicants also require relevant experience in policing, such as employment in Federal, Provincial or Municipal law enforcement or security organizations (e.g. the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Ontario Provincial Police, the Ottawa Regional Police, Corrections, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Canada Border Services Agency, etc "

END QUOTE
 
mariomike:  I know you love showing off your googlefu by digging up and posting/referring to previously posted information but sometimes you need to stop and think if it is actually beneficial to do that.  In this case, you have managed to produce a list of degrees that is FIVE years out of date.

This is the current list of acceptable degrees for MPO, effective 5 May 15:

- Criminal Justice
- Criminology
- Emergency/Crisis and Disaster Management
- Justice Studies (including Law & Justice and Human Justice)
- Law (including Law & Society)
- Police Science / Studies
- Psychology
- Sociology
- Baccalauréat en sécurité publique
- Baccalauréat en sécurité et études policières

I only post that for illustrative purposes; what is acceptable today may not be tomorrow and vice versa (ie.  If the MPO trade goes RED it is possible to apply with ANY degree, although recruiting is NOT our problem with MPO strength so unless you have one of the preferred degrees you're still going to be a less than attractive candidate). 

As with all things recruiting, the best bet is to always check with a recruiter as to what the current standard is.
 
samuraai2 said:
Thanks garb811. Do the MPOs get to chose on which field they specialize in?

I see the following in the Forces website:

SPECIALTY TRAINING
Military Police Officers may be offered the opportunity to develop specialized skills through formal courses and on-the-job training, including:

Criminal Identification Specialist
Polygraph Examiner
Major Crime Investigator
Crime Scene Manager
Major Case Team commander
Drug Investigator
Aircraft Security Specialist
Sexual Assault and Fraud Investigations
Homicide investigation
Forensic identification
Undercover operative
Close protection
Army tactical operations
Executive police development

As they progress in their career, Military Police Officers who demonstrate the required ability and potential will be offered advanced training. Available courses include:

Information Security Investigation Specialist
Criminal Investigator
Counter-Human Intelligence Specialist
Surveillance Operator
Officer Safety Instructor
Senior Police Administration

Most of the specializations on the top sound very interesting and are not usually available with the Civilian agencies. Can the MPOs choose to specialize in one of the above mentioned specialties based on interest or is it decided by the forces on which officer goes into a particular speciality?
The reality is, most MPO do not specialize.  They may be given specialized training in order to carry out their currently assigned duties (ie. Invest Course if posted to CFNIS, Counter-Intelligence if posted to CFNCIU, Computer Forensics if posted to ICTU) but given the career path MPO follow, they will not stay in those positions for long, although they may cycle back into that Unit later in their career at a higher rank.  Further, while you can express an interest in a posting to a specialty Unit, the reality is those positions are scarce and you may never see them.

mariomike said:
According to their website. most of the job opportunities, including that one, in the local police service where I live and worked, are civilian: "over 180 uniform and over 300 different civilian job opportunities."
What's the point of making this post?  He has already stated he has researched those jobs in the civilian services.  This is a thread about MP/MPO, not Metro Toronto.
 
garb811 said:
In this case, you have managed to produce a list of degrees that is FIVE years out of date.

I provided a link. I added nothing to it.

If you believe the linked  post is not accurate, perhaps you should reply to it?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/99439/post-1018901.html#msg1018901





 
mariomike said:
I provided a link. I added nothing to it.

If you believe the linked  post is not accurate, perhaps you should reply to it?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/99439/post-1018901.html#msg1018901
:facepalm:

I never said you added anything.  I did say the list you provided (via your googlefued list of links) is FIVE years old and no longer the proper list. 

I do not "believe" the list is inaccurate, I know it is because I can look at the actual, valid, list whenever I want and I also know that list has been reviewed and updated several times over the last five years.  Don't "believe" me?  I provided the date the current list was published. 

There is no point in me replying to a thread which is FIVE years old because, as I pointed out, what is valid today might not be valid tomorrow and some of us have better things to do with our time than sit on army.ca all day long. 

I can't be bothered to read through all the links you provided but my trade has gone through so many changes over the last five years that probably 75% of the threads in this sub-forum are so stale dated as to be useless.

Again, the best source of information is a RECRUITER for all things recruiting related, or a current answer from a SME for anything else, not a thread FIVE years old simply because it still exists on the interwebathingamadingy and you can dig it up via google.
 
Thanks garb811. That was helpful.

garb811 said:
The reality is, most MPO do not specialize.  They may be given specialized training in order to carry out their currently assigned duties (ie. Invest Course if posted to CFNIS, Counter-Intelligence if posted to CFNCIU, Computer Forensics if posted to ICTU) but given the career path MPO follow, they will not stay in those positions for long, although they may cycle back into that Unit later in their career at a higher rank.  Further, while you can express an interest in a posting to a specialty Unit, the reality is those positions are scarce and you may never see them.
What's the point of making this post?  He has already stated he has researched those jobs in the civilian services.  This is a thread about MP/MPO, not Metro Toronto.
 
Hello garb811,

I understand that the MPO applicants undergo the MPOAC just like the MP applicants undergo the MPAC. I also understand that due to the agreement, the applicants can not discuss anything regarding the assessment. There are many discussions focusing on the MPAC whereas I don't see much information regarding the MPOAC. Is MPOAC significantly different than the MPAC or is it just the officer version of the MPAC?

Thanks!
 
It is the same basic assessment but with a few additional items for Officers.  If you get sent, you will get a package that lays it all so you know what to expect, just not the specifics of each part of the process.
 
What is the time limit to lay charges under the NDA from the day of the alleged offence ie sect 129 or sect 97 ? any ref will help 
 
Quick question for any currently serving MPs, or anyone else in the know:

Does anyone here know of anybody who made the move over to RegF Military Police from a civilian policing agency?  I know of many people who did the opposite, moving to civilian policing from MP, but not the other way around.

Also hypothetically, if one were to make such a move, would the CF even look at prior civilian law enforcement training and experience?

*EDIT* - nevermind....I found a threat that talks about just thing sort of thing.  Sorry.
 
Just wondering how often the run MPAC and if anyone knew when the next one is being held. Thank you for any info provided.
 
no more MPAC for people applying as reservists to the MP trade...was just told by the detachment recruiter!!!
 
Keep in mind you will not do any 'real' policing until you pass the MPAC. So much for the idea of badged reservists.
 
Inspir said:
Keep in mind you will not do any 'real' policing until you pass the MPAC. So much for the idea of badged reservists.

It's actually solved our recruitment problems. The biggest delay was trying to get people on an MPAC and waiting for their result.

You don't need MPAC to do the bulk of Res MP Field Work.

A lot of Reservists get on a good gig or overseas tasking of some sort and never want to badge, if you do, you have to go and do the MPAC then. If you're not found suitable, there's no penalty other than you cannot be employed in a policing role.
 
When I got in in 2003 as a reservist we didn't need MPAC. Recruiting standards were the same as for infantry. (I have college credits, but nothing related to policing).

I was told:
-You'll probably never go on tour.
-There's almost no chance you will work on patrols.
-You will never have a badge.

Well, I am 3 for 3. I'm actually deployed right now as a shift 2IC. So not initially doing an MPAC is not a deal killer in the long run.

Reservists not having to get MPACed in order to be recruited is fine by me. I have been begging for troops for years now...
 
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