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The Khadr Thread

OWDU and Tess thank you very much!! This little SOB needs to go back to Afghanistan or wherever the f&ck he came from.

Let him take his chances there.
 
Well if we just keep on going the way we are, the US will try him and serve time in their prison systems....I don't think life will be very comfortable for him there, at best......at worst.....he's fresh meat for awhile.

ps: he'd better hope it's a civilian prison system he gets put into, if it's military, I suspect everything wished on him will come true....
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Fortunately an excellent potential replacement lives just down the street and has always been willing to serve when called.

Say, don't you live just up the road as well?  ;)

GAP said:
Well if we just keep on going the way we are, the US will try him and serve time in their prison systems....I don't think life will be very comfortable for him there, at best......at worst.....he's fresh meat for awhile.

ps: he'd better hope it's a civilian prison system he gets put into, if it's military, I suspect everything wished on him will come true....

Actually, I would expect he will have his person and rights much more rigorously protected at Fort Levensworth than in any civilian prison. I also expect the American MP's and soldiers in Kansas will uphold his rights until 2029 or so.....
 
... in many ways, it is a hell of his own making.

Dream on my friend
 
Rant time for a CSM!!
This little piece of crap doesn't belong anywhere near good Canadians. Let Jack and his bunch molly coddle and baby sit this little viper. With donations from the supporters of this murdering little b@stard.  :rage:
 
I am not a christian  but I just wish I could have the name of this person ~ I may want to shake her hand! I respect the faith's of other peoples! I respect other peoples rights to disagree ~ but I do not respect anyone who hides anywhere behind a cowardly mask! Behind anonymity ... you may not like what this says and that is okay ... that is what members of many families died fighting to preserve! Your right to agree or to disagree!


This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the
U.S., U.K. and Australia


THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH

Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to her local newspaper. This
is one ticked off lady.

'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not
started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001
and have continually threatened to do so since?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day,
in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in
a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be
tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting
against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents
for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable
by beheading in Afghanistan .

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking
off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed
throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come
out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by
hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search
of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide
bombs.

I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom
of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on
the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when
something happens.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing
up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not
to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:

I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining
that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in
your heart of hearts:

I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran'
and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,

I don't care!!

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail
friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this
ridiculous behaviour!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should
you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities
committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country!
And may I add:

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'

I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you
forward all this.

One last thought for the day:

Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The Canadian Soldier.

3. The British Soldier.

4. The US Soldier, and

5. The Australian Soldier

One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.


YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.

AMEN!

And just in case you weren’t all aware, sometimes putting a face to a name makes it real.  These are just the Canadian soldiers that gave their lives for other’s freedom…


First name
Last name
Rank
Unit
Province
Date of incident


Prescott
Shipway
Sergeant
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
September 7, 2008


Andrew
Grenon
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
September 3, 2008


Chad
Horn
Private
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
September 3, 2008


Mike
Seggie
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Manitoba
September 3, 2008


Shawn
Eades
Sergeant
1 Combat Engineer Regiment
Ontario
August 20, 2008


Stephan
Stock
Sapper
1 Combat Engineer Regiment
British Columbia
August 20, 2008


Dustin
Wasden
Corporal
1 Combat Engineer Regiment
Saskatchewan
August 20, 2008


Erin
Doyle
Master Corporal
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
British Columbia
August 11, 2008


Josh
Roberts
Master Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
August 9, 2008


James
Arnal
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry
Manitoba
July 18, 2008


Colin
Wilmot
Private
1 Field Ambulance
Alberta
July 6, 2008


Brendan
Downey
Corporal
Military Police Detachment
Saskatchewan
July 4, 2008


Jonathan
Snyder
Captain
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
British Columbia
June 7, 2008


Richard
Leary
Captain
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
June 3, 2008


Michael
Starker
Corporal
15th Field Ambulance
Alberta
May 6, 2008


Terry
Street
Private
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Quebec
April 4, 2008


Jason
Boyes
Sergeant
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Manitoba
March 16, 2008


Jérémie
Ouellet
Bombardier
1st Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
Quebec
March 11, 2008


Michael
Hayakaze
Trooper
Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
Alberta
March 2, 2008


Étienne
Gonthier
Corporal
5e Régiment du génie de combat
Quebec
January 23, 2008


Richard
Renaud
Trooper
12e Régiment blindé du Canada
Quebec
January 15, 2008


Eric
Labbé
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Royal 22e Régiment
Quebec
January 6, 2008


Hani
Massouh
Warrant officer
2nd Battalion, Royal 22e Régiment
Quebec
January 6, 2008


Jonathan
Dion
Gunner
5e Régiment d'artillerie légère du Canada
Quebec
December 30, 2007


Nicolas
Beauchamp
Corporal
5th Field Ambulance, 5 Area Support Group
Quebec
November 17, 2007


Michel
Lévesque
Private
3rd Battalion, Royal 22e Régiment
Quebec
November 17, 2007


Nathan
Hornburg
Corporal
The King's Own Calgary Regiment
Alberta
September 24, 2007


Raymond
Ruckpaul
Major
Armoured Corps, The Royal Canadian Dragoons
Ontario
August 29, 2007


Christian
Duchesne
Master corporal
5th Field Ambulance, 5 Area Support Group
Quebec
August 22, 2007


Mario
Mercier
Master Warrant officer
2nd Battalion, Royal 22e Régiment
Quebec
August 22, 2007


Simon
Longtin
Private
3rd Battalion, Royal 22e Régiment
Quebec
August 19, 2007


Jordan
Anderson
Corporal
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Nunavut
July 4, 2007


Cole
Bartsch
Corporal
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
July 4, 2007


Colin
Bason
Master corporal
The Royal Westminster Regiment
British Columbia
July 4, 2007


Matthew
Dawe
Captain
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
July 4, 2007


Jefferson
Francis
Captain
1st Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
New Brunswick
July 4, 2007


Lane
Watkins
Private
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Manitoba
July 4, 2007


Stephen
Bouzane
Corporal
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Newfoundland and Labrador
June 20, 2007


Christos
Karigiannis
Sergeant
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Quebec
June 20, 2007


Joel
Wiebe
Private
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
June 20, 2007


Darryl
Caswell
Trooper
Royal Canadian Dragoons
Ontario
June 11, 2007


Darrell
Priede
Master corporal
Army News Team, 3 Area Support Group
Ontario
May 30, 2007


Matthew
McCully
Corporal
2nd Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron
Ontario
May 25, 2007


Anthony
Klumpenhouwer
Master corporal
Canadian Special Operations Forces Command
Ontario
April 18, 2007


Patrick
Pentland
Trooper
Royal Canadian Dragoons
New Brunswick
April 11, 2007


Allan
Stewart
Master corporal
Royal Canadian Dragoons
New Brunswick
April 11, 2007


David
Greenslade
Private
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
New Brunswick
April 8, 2007


Kevin
Kennedy
Private
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Newfoundland and Labrador
April 8, 2007


Donald
Lucas
Sergeant
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Newfoundland and Labrador
April 8, 2007


Brent
Poland
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
April 8, 2007


Christopher
Stannix
Corporal
Princess Louise Fusiliers
Nova Scotia
April 8, 2007


Aaron
Williams
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
New Brunswick
April 8, 2007


Kevin
Megeney
Corporal
1st Battalion, The Nova Scotia Highlanders (North)
Nova Scotia
March 6, 2007


Robert
Girouard
Chief Warrant officer
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
New Brunswick
November 27, 2006


Albert
Storm
Corporal
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
November 27, 2006


Darcy
Tedford
Sergeant
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Alberta
October 14, 2006


Blake
Williamson
Private
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
October 14, 2006


Mark
Wilson
Trooper
Royal Canadian Dragoons
Ontario
October 7, 2006


Craig
Gillam
Sergeant
Royal Canadian Dragoons
Newfoundland and Labrador
October 3, 2006


Robert
Mitchell
Corporal
Royal Canadian Dragoons
Ontario
October 3, 2006


Josh
Klukie
Private
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
September 29, 2006


Glen
Arnold
Corporal
2nd Field Ambulance
Ontario
September 18, 2006


David
Byers
Private
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
September 18, 2006


Shane
Keating
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
September 18, 2006


Keith
Morley
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Manitoba
September 18, 2006


Mark
Graham
Private
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
September 4, 2006


William
Cushley
Private
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
September 3, 2006


Frank
Mellish
Warrant officer
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Nova Scotia
September 3, 2006


Richard
Nolan
Warrant officer
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Newfoundland and Labrador
September 3, 2006


Shane
Stachnik
Sergeant
2nd Combat Engineer Regiment
Alberta
September 3, 2006


David
Braun
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
August 22, 2006


Andrew
Eykelenboom
Corporal
1st Field Ambulance
British Columbia
August 11, 2006


Jeffrey
Walsh
Master corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
August 9, 2006


Raymond
Arndt
Master corporal
The Loyal Edmonton Regiment
Alberta
August 5, 2006


Kevin
Dallaire
Private
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
August 3, 2006


Vaughan
Ingram
Sergeant
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Newfoundland and Labrador
August 3, 2006


Bryce
Keller
Corporal
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Saskatchewan
August 3, 2006


Christopher
Reid
Corporal
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Nova Scotia
August 3, 2006


Francisco
Gomez
Corporal
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
July 22, 2006


Jason
Warren
Corporal
The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada
Quebec
July 22, 2006


Anthony
Boneca
Corporal
Lake Superior Scottish Regiment
Ontario
July 9, 2006


Nichola
Goddard
Captain
1st Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
Alberta
May 17, 2006


Matthew
Dinning
Corporal
2nd Military Police Platoon
Ontario
April 22, 2006


Myles
Mansell
Bombardier
5th (British Columbia) Field Artillery Regiment
British Columbia
April 22, 2006


Randy
Payne
Corporal
CFB/ASU Wainwright Military Police Platoon
Ontario
April 22, 2006


William
Turner
Lieutenant
Land Force Western Area Headquarters
Ontario
April 22, 2006


Robert
Costall
Private
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
March 29, 2006


Paul
Davis
Corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Nova Scotia
March 2, 2006


Timothy
Wilson
Master corporal
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Alberta
March 2, 2006


Glyn
Berry
Diplomat
Department of Foreign Affairs, Canada
Wales
January 15, 2006


Braun
Woodfield
Private
2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Nova Scotia
November 24, 2005


Jamie
Murphy
Corporal
1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Newfoundland and Labrador
January 27, 2004


Robbie
Beerenfenger
Corporal
3rd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
Ontario
October 2, 2003


Robert
Short
Sergeant
3rd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
New Brunswick
October 2, 2003


Ainsworth
Dyer
Corporal
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Quebec
April 18, 2002


Richard
Green
Private
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Nova Scotia
April 18, 2002


Marc
Léger
Sergeant
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Ontario
April 18, 2002


Nathan
Smith
Private
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Nova Scotia
April 18, 2002


 
Thank you very much from the bottom of my broken heart. Mike Seggie is my son and was KIA in Afghanistan. Your words are comforting to me. :salute:
 
Latest numbers, from Angus Reid - full results attached as .pdf below.

Canadians Ponder Repatriation of Omar Khadr
Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research, 23 Nov 08
News release link

Adults in Canada remain divided over the fate of Omar Khadr, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies released by the Toronto Star. 42 per cent of respondents would demand Khadr’s repatriation to face due process under Canadian Law, while 37 per cent would leave Khadr to face trial by military commission in Guantanamo Bay.

In the event U.S. president-elect Barack Obama shuts down the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, 48 per cent of respondents would repatriate Khadr, while 41 per cent would transfer him to the United States to face federal prosecution there.

Omar Khadr—a Canadian born in Toronto and the son of al-Qaeda fighter Ahmed Said Khadr—was detained by the United States military in Afghanistan in July 2002, after allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a special forces medic. Omar Khadr was 15 at the time. He was transferred to the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in October 2002.

In June 2007, U.S. military judge Peter Brownback dismissed the charges of murder and terrorism against Omar Khadr, claiming he was authorized to try "unlawful enemy combatants" exclusively. An earlier review had deemed Omar Khadr was an "enemy combatant." However, the case against Omar Khadr was reopened in September 2007, when the new Court of Military Commission Review ruled that Brownback’s decision was in error.

In April, William Kuebler—Khadr’s military lawyer—argued during a pre-trial hearing that the deadly grenade may have been thrown by an American soldier. In July, a report revealed that Canadian officials were aware of the harsh treatment that Khadr was subjected to in Guantanamo. According to the document, the U.S. military "deprived" Khadr of sleep for weeks in order to make him "more amenable and willing to talk."

On Nov. 20, Canadian foreign affairs minister Lawrence Cannon appeared to rule out any change in policy, saying, "He is being held and it’s our government’s intention to follow and respect the process that’s in place and, of course, to respect American sovereignty on this issue."

Khadr’s military trial is expected to start on Jan. 26, 2009.

Polling Data
As you may know, Canadian citizen Omar Khadr has spent more than six years in the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, charged with throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier in a July 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. Khadr, the son of al-Qaeda fighter Ahmed Said Khadr, was 15 when the alleged incident took place. Which of these policy options would you prefer in this case?
Nov. 2008
Jul. 2008
Apr. 2008

Demanding Khadr’s repatriation to face due process under Canadian Law
42%
37%
43%

Leaving Khadr to face trial by military commission in Guantanamo Bay
37%
38%
38%

Not sure
20%
26%
19%


As you may know, United States president-elect Barack Obama has criticized the existence of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, and there is speculation that he may order its closure. If the Guantanamo Bay facility is indeed shut down, which of these policy options would you prefer in the case of Omar Khadr?

Repatriating Khadr to face due process under Canadian law
48%

Transferring Khadr to the United States to face federal prosecution there
41%

Not sure
11%

Source: Angus Reid Strategies / Toronto Star
Methodology: Online interviews with 1,002 Canadian adults, conducted on Nov. 14 to Nov. 15, 2008. Margin of error is 3.1 per cent.
 
I remain convinced that Khadr should be facing prosecution through the United States court system.  This is someone who supposedly killed a U.S. soldier in a U.S.-occupied area, so they can be the ones to hold his trial and find whether or not he is guilty.  Bringing him back to Canada is only going to allow people to run to Canada and claim sanctuary from prosecution.
 
Considering that Khadr was taken into custody in Afghanistan by the US military, he IS thier property to do with as they see fit. Either they will put him through the system and seek to get a sentence on him or they will hand him over to Canadian authorities to deal with. Either way he WILL be put through the system in some capacity or other.

If he kept in the states and is found guilty of the soldiers death then you can bet your bottom the US will seek to having him put in one of thier finest institutions for the rest of his existence or one step further and seek the death penalty for his actions.

If he comes "home" to Canada and is put through the system anything can happen, my guess would be the bleeding hearts club will seek to get him a diamond encrusted soother, pat him on the back and turn him loose with a nice big multi-million dollar we're sorry cheque.  ::)

Cheers.
 
axeman said:
[I don't care Editorial from Canadian Woman]

It seems to be on a slippery slope of equivocating all middle eastern people into terrorist groups.  If innocent people have been unfairly detained and abused, it is quite uncaring and unfair to say that you don't care because of the alleged connection between terrorism and these people.

Don't get me wrong, if they have done something wrong then get the information from them and ensure they pay for what they did.  But if they were just an innocent person who had nothing to do with any crime, turning a blind eye and saying "I don't care" will only allow for worse occurrences to take place without anyone questioning why.
 
IMHO, if the US gevernment intends to prosecute the fella..... DO IT!
Six years - it has dragged on waaaay too long & the longer it takes, the more of a farce it becomes.
 
geo said:
IMHO, if the US gevernment intends to prosecute the fella..... DO IT!
Six years - it has dragged on waaaay too long & the longer it takes, the more of a farce it becomes.

well honestly they can drag it out for 6 more and I would not shed a tear.

Fuck him and the whole family.

 
That's the good thing about living in a democracy, everyone is allowed to have his say & should feel free to express it...

if for nothing else, the US Government, with it's position that everyone should be entitled to a speedy trial - should get their act together and put the fella on trial.
 
Khadr charges will be dropped after inauguration: lawyers

NEWYORK -- Charges against Omar Khadr will be dropped "without prejudice" shortly
after Barack Obama's inauguration Jan. 20 as president, the Canada-born terror
suspect's U.S. military lawyers predicted Monday.

The technical arrangement will effectively suspend the Jan. 26 start date for his trial
before a military commission at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Mr. Obama's advisers say one of the new president's first duties in office will be to
order the closing of the Guantanamo detention camps. Under the Bush administration,
up to 80 detainees were to eventually face trial, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM),
who has said he was responsible for planning the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks "from A to Z."

Mr. Khadr, 22, is accused of killing a U.S. soldier in a firefight when he was 15, and his
trial is the only one currently scheduled to begin. "We can't imagine that the new president
will move to close the camps without also addressing the military commissions," said
Rebecca Synder, one of Mr. Khadr's Pentagon-appointed lawyers. "Otherwise, it may seem
that he may end up giving KSM a fairer trial than Omar Mr. Khadr, a former child soldier."

Effective suspension of the charges will result in increased pressure on Prime Minister
Stephen Harper to find a formula to return Toronto-born Mr. Khadr to Canada, according
to navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Mr. Khadr's lead Pentagon-appointed lawyer.

"I still think it is appropriate that he returns under certain supervisory conditions, but I also
believe that it is possible the window for achieving that is now closing," he said. "We don't
know exactly what Mr. Obama will do regarding this case. But there is a chance right now
to ensure an arrangement is in place that gets Omar the things he needs for rehabilitation."

Harper said Monday he would wait to see what the Mr. Obama administration does with
Mr. Khadr before deciding whether Canada's position should be changed. "We have a very
different situation with Mr. Mr. Khadr. He is accused of a very serious thing and there is a
legal process," he said.

With Mr. Obama weighing an imminent decision to order the closure of the U.S. military
prison at Guantanamo Bay, leading human-rights agencies on Monday appealed for him
to halt the looming trial. At a news conference in Washington, Senator Romeo Dallaire
and several leading Guantanamo critics warned Mr. Obama will betray his campaign
promises if he allows the 22-year-old Canadian to stand trial on Jan. 26.

In a letter to Mr. Obama, the group argued Mr. Khadr is a child soldier who should not
face military justice at Guantanamo. "Really, what we're asking for here is not even for
president-elect Mr. Obama to make a judgment about Omar Mr. Khadr's innocence or
guilt -- or about his case -- but for his administration to call a moratorium, to freeze the
proceedings," said Marsha Levick, the legal director of the Juvenile Law Center,
a Washington-based advocacy group.

If the trial opens as planned, "it would be an enormous disappointment for those of us
who have watched the campaign and trusted president-elect Mr. Obama's remarks
with respect to his own views on the military proceedings," Ms. Levick said.

The future of the Guantanamo military prison looms as one of the biggest facing
Mr. Obama in the days following his inauguration. The Associated Press reported Monday
the incoming president is expected to issue an executive order within his first week in
office ordering the prison closed, and to determine how best to relocate its 250 remaining
detainees.

But that may leave unresolved the pressing question of Mr. Khadr's trial in a military
commission process Mr. Obama himself has declared a "dangerously flawed legal" system.
"If the proceedings against Omar Mr. Khadr go on, and go forward Jan. 26, (Mr. Khadr)
will in fact be the first child tried in the United States for war crimes in our history," said
Ms. Levick.

A military commission judge last summer dismissed arguments by defence lawyers,
who cited the UN optional protocol on children in armed conflict as prohibiting Mr. Khadr
from facing a war-crimes tribunal. The U.S. signed the protocol in 2000.

Brooke Anderson, Mr. Obama's national security spokeswoman, declined to comment on
Mr. Khadr's case Monday.

Sen. Dallaire, a former Canadian military general who has led efforts in Parliament to r
epatriate Mr. Khadr, said his staff has been in touch with Mr. Obama's transition team
about the case. With Harper's government refusing to intervene, Sen. Dallaire said he's
still hopeful Mr. Obama will order Mr. Khadr released into Canadian custody.

"I have gotten nowhere with the Canadian government. Although we have attempted
to convince the prime minister that standing aloof from this process is inappropriate ...
he refused to open up a conversation with the Americans in regards to Mr. Khadr,"
Sen. Dallaire said. "If the Canadians don't want to ask for him ... then maybe the
solution is [for Mr. Obama] to offer him to the Canadians."

The spokeswoman for Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said Monday that
Canada's position on Mr. Khadr has not changed. "We will be following with interest
any developments under the incoming administration of president-elect Mr. Obama,"
said Cannon's spokeswoman, Catherine Loubier.

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bryon Wilfert repeated the Opposition's call for Harper to
ask for Mr. Khadr to be repatriated, just as western countries, such as Australia and
Britain, have done with their nationals in Guantanamo. And he reiterated that Mr. Khadr
should "face justice" from Canadian courts for the crimes he's accused of, and not simply
be set free. "He should come home -- period. Whether Guantanamo is closed or not is
a secondary issue," Wilfert told Canwest News Service.

"Closing Guantanamo isn't going to be done overnight, in any event. Mr. Obama's team
is going to have to look very closely at it." Mr. Khadr's legal allies include five leading
international human-rights organizations -- Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch,
the American Civil Liberties Union, Human Rights First and the Coalition to Stop the Use
of Child Soldiers -- that made separate written appeals to Mr. Obama on Monday.

"We urge that, upon taking office, you act quickly to suspend the military commissions,
drop the military commission charges against Mr. Khadr, and either repatriate him for
rehabilitation in Canada or transfer him to federal court and prosecute him in accordance
with international juvenile justice and fair trial standards," the groups said in their letter.

Also speaking on Mr. Khadr's behalf was Ishmael Beah, a former child soldier in Sierra
Leone who last year rose to international prominence with the publication of a bestselling
memoir about his wartime experiences.

Mr. Khadr's conviction for war crimes would signal a double standard in the way American
policy treats child soldiers, Beah said. "Are we sending a message out there that says if
a child that engages in war and is forced in war in any other country than the United States,
then we are able to forgive them?" Beah asked. "But if a child is used in war in ways that it
takes the life of a U.S. citizen, then we are not able to look at them as a child? That is not
the kind of legal precedent we want to set."

During his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama was a fierce critic of both the Guantanamo
prison and the military commission system established by the Bush administration to try
enemy combatants detained after the 9/11 terror attacks. But only last weekend, Mr. Obama
said his pledge to close the prison likely would prove more difficult than he expected, and that
it would be "a challenge" to shut it down during his first 100 days in office.

"It is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize," he told ABC News. Mr. Obama said
he was struggling with "how to balance creating a process that adheres to rule of law, habeas
corpus, basic principles of Anglo-American legal system, but doing it in a way that doesn't result
in releasing people who are intent on blowing us up."

With files from Mike Blanchfield, Canwest News Service
 
What kind of sentence does a criminal get for murder / manslaughter in the states ?

If the sentence is anything like 12 - 15 years...
do the conviction ASAP, sentencing usually doubles the value of the time served prior to conviction....

And return him to Afghanistan where they caught him in the 1st place.....
 
My solution:

The Government of Canada should take responsibilty for this poor young misguided person. Bring him back to Canada.

THEN: Deport him and his terrorist family to their country of origin.

I think you all know why I feel this way.

Sorry for the rant.
 
geo said:
What kind of sentence does a criminal get for murder / manslaughter in the states ?

If the sentence is anything like 12 - 15 years...
do the conviction ASAP, sentencing usually doubles the value of the time served prior to conviction....

And return him to Afghanistan where they caught him in the 1st place.....
>:D

Sounds like a "Catch and Release" policy that would be more effective than bringing him to Canada.
 
Infidel-6 said:
well honestly they can drag it out for 6 more and I would not shed a tear.
Fuck him and the whole family.

- At least the kid had the balls to put his ass on the line for what he believed in.  I'll take him anyday over the Limosine-Fedayeen who bad-mouth Canada while selling drugs in Toronto but wouldn't dare go toe-to-toe with NATO in the sandbox.
 
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