The Great Gun Control Debate

[Jarnhamar]

Looks like Remington is following Para's example.  Hope more gun companies follow suit.

 

[cryco]

any web links to Remington following suit?

 

[cupper]

If your a firearm owner and you want to go see Liam Neeson's new movie Taken 3 maybe you should think twice.

It looks like he's went and joined the eliete group of hollywood action stars who make their living making movies with firearms but support strict gun control and shit talk firearm owners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2909555/America-f-guns-Taken-star-Liam-Neeson-launches-expletive-laden-tirade-Charlie-Hebdo-attack.html
This guy makes 20 million portraying a man going around murdering people then lambasts private gun ownership.

I'm pretty sure there are more than enough other reasons not to go see  Taken 3.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'll watch it for free with TVADDONS http://www.tvaddons.ag/live-tv-xbmc/

He'll get no residuals and the studio won't make any money off my viewing.

But I won't like it.

 

[Rick Goebel]

The Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP has released their report into the RCMP's Response to the 2013 Flood in High River, Alberta.

In the many pages of the report is the statement "While RCMP members, acting on their own initiative and with little guidance, may have acted with public safety in mind, they nonetheless failed to comply with legal requirements concerning the seizure of firearms."

Hopefully, police forces will give enough guidance to prevent this from happening in the future.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP has released their report into the RCMP's Response to the 2013 Flood in High River, Alberta.

In the many pages of the report is the statement "While RCMP members, acting on their own initiative and with little guidance, may have acted with public safety in mind, they nonetheless failed to comply with legal requirements concerning the seizure of firearms."

Hopefully, police forces will give enough guidance to prevent this from happening in the future.

Legal requirements like reporting their actions to a judge. They also exceeded their authority (which is pretty serious when you think of it) by not only confiscating legally and properly secured firearms but rifling through peoples houses until they found them.
I'm trying to confirm a solid reference but I've even read RCMP members were allowed to stay int heir homes during the evacuations and their homes weren't subject to being searched.

They need to be brought to task and held accountable for their actions and punished.

RCMP watchdog raps Mountie gun seizures from High River homes during 2013 flood

Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press




Wreckage lies along Center Street in High River, Alberta on Tuesday, June 25, 2013. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jordan Verlage"

OTTAWA - The RCMP watchdog says Mounties improperly took guns from flood-stricken homes in Alberta two years ago — seizures that angered High River residents and fostered mistrust of the national police force.

In a report released Thursday, the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission blames the mistakes on poor leadership, lack of guidance, and failure to communicate with the public.

The RCMP had legal authority to forcibly enter evacuated homes during the natural disaster and even to seize loose firearms in plain view, the commission report says.

The Mounties say the guns could have posed a hazard, as there were reports of break-ins and thefts, and there were over 300 people — including one high-risk offender — who refused to evacuate.

Under the Criminal Code, such seizures did not require a court-approved warrant, but officers failed to take the necessary next step of reporting their actions to a judge.

In addition, RCMP members exceeded their authority by seizing some guns that were properly secured or that were not "in plain view," the commission found.

In all, 609 firearms were taken from 105 homes.

"While RCMP members, acting on their own initiative and with little guidance, may have acted with public safety in mind, they nonetheless failed to comply with legal requirements concerning the seizure of firearms," the report says.

"Had the RCMP reported their seizures to the court, it may have addressed many of the concerns and criticisms from residents, the media, and politicians."

In June 2013, heavy rainfall caused the Highwood River to swell, uprooting trees and engulfing cars and homes. During the crisis, the RCMP, provincial and municipal police, the military, first responders and volunteers rescued some 800 people.

Overall, emergency personnel, including the Mounties, did "a remarkable job" responding to this natural disaster in the initial days, the report says.

What should have been a story about heroic actions of many RCMP members during the devastating flood turned out to be "something far different" for the force, the commission notes.

Watchdog staff interviewed dozens of people and reviewed over 10,000 pages of documents, emails, notes and seizure logs, as well as more than 1,000 images and 50 videos.

The commission says RCMP leadership failed to adequately plan for communications with the public during the catastrophe, which prompted difficulties when word of the forced entries and seizures began circulating.

"What we found was that, all too often, social media filled the gap that the communications people were unable to fill," commission chairman Ian McPhail said in an interview.

"And in some instances contradictory or incomplete information was communicated to the public."

The report makes several recommendations, including creation of:

— a national crisis communications handbook;

— guidelines on seizure of firearms, ammunition and contraband during disasters;

— special forms to ensure better note-taking about forced entries.

The commission will issue a final report once the RCMP responds.

McPhail said he would be surprised if the recommendations were not accepted and implemented.

"They're all doable. They don't require huge expense," he said. "They simply require a more focused attention to how to respond to natural disaster situations."

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[TCBF]

Legal requirements like reporting their actions to a judge. They also exceeded their authority (which is pretty serious when you think of it) by not only confiscating legally and properly secured firearms but rifling through peoples houses until they found them.
I'm trying to confirm a solid reference but I've even read RCMP members were allowed to stay int heir homes during the evacuations and their homes weren't subject to being searched.

They need to be brought to task and held accountable for their actions and punished.

- Royal Canadian Mexican Police.

 

[stealthylizard]

Did the RCMP use the supposedly scrapped long gun registry to know which homes to target for firearms searches, or did they just come upon them by chance while ensuring homes were vacant?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Well since they apparently came back to previous searched houses specifically to look again, you can draw your own conculsions

 

[Loachman]

Licensing information could have been used, but, until there is a full, open, and honest investigation nobody can say for sure, other than those who directed and conducted the home invasions.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Licensing information could have been used, but, until there is a full, open, and honest investigation nobody can say for sure, other than those who directed and conducted the home invasions.

I'll try and dig up a  reference for you but I was doing some reading on examples from the inquiry that indicate the RCMP used the long gun register.
For example when one man went to the police station to pick up his firearms the police confronted him and pointed out that two of his guns weren't registered, his response was that no they're not he just bought them. 

 

[Loachman]

Yes, I am aware of that quote as I have been following this issue very closely, hence my wording.

There is no publicly-available evidence one way or another.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They could amend the bill making it a criminal offence to use the data for governmental purposes.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yes, I am aware of that quote as I have been following this issue very closely, hence my wording.

Sorry.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

They could amend the bill making it a criminal offence to use the data for governmental purposes.

......or they could charge them for not destroying it like they were told to.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Likely the current bill has no mechanism within the bill to do that, you be surprised how many Acts contain with prohibitions without any enforcement provisions.

 

[Edward Campbell]

So, the Supremes have ruled (5:4) that Quebec cannot use "cooperative federalism" as a back door to use the federal long gun registry data as the foundation of its own system.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So, the Supremes have ruled (5:4) that Quebec cannot use "cooperative federalism" as a back door to use the federal long gun registry data as the foundation of its own system.

Huzzah! That should be the end of it and the Feds would do well to destroy it right away. Although there is no doubt in my mind Quebec will keep a copy, even after being told they can't.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The LGR would be woefully out of date and inaccurate by now and only getting worse as every day passes no ?  Seeing as it hasn't been updated in years, supposedly.

What good would be now, anyways ?

 

[Loachman]

It was never of any "good" anyway, as a crime solving/prevention tool.

There were five to seven million firearms owners in Canada during the lead-up to Bil C-68 of 1995, by a number of credible estimates. Only three million bothered to get licences.

There were fifteen to twenty-one million firearms in their hands by the same estimates. Only seven million were ever registered.

This was the largest example of civil disobedience in this Country, ever.

The registry, and the legislation of which it was a part, just like the previous waves, achieved nothing beyond scapegoating and persecuting a sizeable portion of our Citizenry, and at great cost - in both financial and social terms.