The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[suffolkowner]

i fail to see what the difficulty will be for the CPC's. They will in all likelihood have in excess of 200 seats. Do it and do it quick and get it over with. To not do so risks fracturing the conservative vote again

 

[Eaglelord17]

The CPC's Bill C-42 in 2014 lifted the ban on the Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine. So, yes, they have reversed bans in the past.

Just some semantics but that wasn't a 'ban'. There was no OIC or declaration that the Swiss Arms Classic Green or CZ 858s were prohibited by name, rather they were reclassified to accurately follow Canadian law by the firearms lab. The CZ 858s as converted autos and the Swiss Arms as converted autos/550 variants.

Not that I agree with the classifications in the first place, the whole converted auto category is stupid to me, if it's semi-auto it's a semi auto whether or not it was originally one (and interestingly enough that is how the Europeans who generally have tighter controls view it). It is also why the reclassifications happened as they just took actual VZ 58 receivers and welded in the blocks to prevent full auto parts from entering, and the Classic Greens some were Swiss service 550s which were converted to semi-auto only.

 

[Haggis]

i fail to see what the difficulty will be for the CPC's. They will in all likelihood have in excess of 200 seats. Do it and do it quick and get it over with. To not do so risks fracturing the conservative vote again

The issue is that the legislative process in both houses is not quick and the Liberals (through the Independent and Progressive Senators Groups) still dominate the Senate.

 

[suffolkowner]

The issue is that the legislative process in both houses is not quick and the Liberals (through the Independent and Progressive Senators Groups) still dominate the Senate.

Well unless they dont plan on passing any legislation at all, theyre going to have to suck it up and deal with it.

 

[Mills Bomb]

My point exactly... The CPC has never really done anything to "bring stuff back".

The Swiss Arms Class Green was a complicated and niche situation, and how many Canadians did that even effect? Not many, maybe a couple hundred if that?

As far as owning interesting stuff, the only real advantage of the CPC for gun owners is they won't ban anything additional while they're in power. That's literally about it. They'll let the LPC do the banning and attack them for going after "law abiding gun owners" and then just kind of do nothing about it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My point exactly... The CPC has never really done anything to "bring stuff back".

The Swiss Arms Class Green was a complicated and niche situation, and how many Canadians did that even effect? Not many, maybe a couple hundred if that?

As far as owning interesting stuff, the only real advantage of the CPC for gun owners is they won't ban anything additional while they're in power. That's literally about it. They'll let the LPC do the banning and attack them for going after "law abiding gun owners" and then just kind of do nothing about it.

So who should gun owner vote for ?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

 

[suffolkowner]

So who should gun owner vote for ?

PPC?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

PPC?

Don’t start that shit, again.

Gun owners should vote Conservative, this next election, to help destroy the Liberal Party for a generation.

When the Liberals are trying to rebuild, if they are crazy enough to keep the “open voting” system for party leader, someone from the firearms community should run for leadership of the Liberals. If even 10% of firearms owners in Canada vote, we could capture what’s left of the Liberal Party with a single issue leader.

That would be awesome….

 

[Mills Bomb]

So who should gun owner vote for ?

There is no Canadian political party in a position to potentially seize power that is likely to "bring stuff back" so with that in mind, vote for whoever you want.

The most likely future of gun ownership in Canada will be very similar to UK, Australia, etc.

The CPC will just delay the inevitable until the Canadian left bans everything except a selection of bolt action dedicated hunting rifles.

Gun laws in Canada generally only go in one direction. CPC has managed to get the vote of gun owners by simply being the party that generally doesn't ban more, but also, doesn't undue already existing bans. Getting gun owners to vote CPC is low hanging fruit, it's easy, they don't need even need to really doing anything by simply being the party that doesn't ban more while in power.

Just look at the history of gun ownership since the Second World War, it's 80+ years of slowly banning and restricting more firearms and never undoing anything significant to bring any of the banned items back.

I personally don't think Pierre is about to change an 80 year trend...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Vote CPC this time and then start another conservative party to ensure they don't get lazy and take your support for granted. Once they get a taste of power they want to hold on to it.

 

[suffolkowner]

Don’t start that shit, again.

Gun owners should vote Conservative, this next election, to help destroy the Liberal Party for a generation.

When the Liberals are trying to rebuild, if they are crazy enough to keep the “open voting” system for party leader, someone from the firearms community should run for leadership of the Liberals. If even 10% of firearms owners in Canada vote, we could capture what’s left of the Liberal Party with a single issue leader.

That would be awesome….

but we werent talking about the next election but the one after in which the CPC had failed to reverse the Liberal gun bans

 

[Kirkhill]

Massacres in peace time.

China’s Xi vows to stop mass killings known as ‘revenge on society crimes’

China’s leader Xi Jinping wants the recent spree of mass killings that shocked the country not to happen again.

apnews.com

‘Revenge on Society Crimes’​

This is how people in China label these attacks.

In November alone, three took place: A man struck people at an elementary school in Hunan province, wounding 30, after suffering investment losses. A student who failed his examination stabbed and killed eight at a vocational school in the city of Yixing. The most victims, 35 people, resulted from a man mowing down a crowd in the southern city of Zhuhai, supposedly upset over his divorce.

Keeping a tight lid on the killings​

A decade ago, media outlets could report an incident as it developed and even share a suspect’s name. Nowadays, it’s rarely possible.

During the 24 hours before the death toll was released in the Zhuhai slaying, state censors were quick to remove any videos of the incident and eyewitness accounts shared online. In the case of the Hunan elementary school attack, authorities shared the number of the wounded only after the court sentencing, nearly a month later.

A tally of violent attacks can be documented in other countries; notably, the U.S. had 38 mass killings so far this year, according to an Associated Press database. But in China, a lack of public data makes it hard to decipher mass killing trends.

German Christmas market killings: What we know about the suspect - National | Globalnews.ca

Identified by local media as 50-year-old Taleb A., a psychiatry and psychotherapy specialist, authorities said he has been living in Germany for two decades.

globalnews.ca

King Charles visits UK town where child stabbings sparked riots

Some criticized Charles for not issuing a public statement on the riots; traditionally, the monarch does not comment on anything that could cause political controversy

www.voanews.com

Violent protests in Dublin after woman and children injured in knife attack

Crowd chanting anti-immigrant slogans clashes with police hours after stabbing incident outside school

www.theguardian.com

2024 Ottawa stabbing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Knives and cars only. The knife attacks are particularly interesting when comparing the number of puncture wounds and effective strikes by one individual in a panicked crowd to similar events with magazine fed weapons.

 

[OldSolduer]

Knives and cars only. The knife attacks are particularly interesting when comparing the number of puncture wounds and effective strikes by one individual in a panicked crowd to similar events with magazine fed weapons.

Society has been conditioned by politicians and high ranking LEOs not to step in and attempt to help. One guy with a knife? Yeah me and a few others might get cut - bad - but damned if I am going to stand by and watch.

 

[Kirkhill]

Society has been conditioned by politicians and high ranking LEOs not to step in and attempt to help. One guy with a knife? Yeah me and a few others might get cut - bad - but damned if I am going to stand by and watch.

And Hollywood.... one scratch and you are doomed.

Strangely enough bullets seem to be more lethal now than they were, One hit, one kill.

Vs

John Alexander Cruickshank V.C.

John Alexander Cruickshank is the last living recipient to have been awarded the Victoria Cross during the Second World War. He received the award for his bravery in an attack on a German U-boat on 17 July 1944. Despite severe wounds, he ensured the safe arrival and landing of his crew on the...

www.iwm.org.uk

Although modern day bullets may not be much better.

One Bullet Can Kill, but Sometimes 20 Don’t, Survivors Show (Published 2008)

While surviving numerous gunshots could be a miraculous feat, doctors who have treated gunshot victims say that being shot is not automatically a death sentence.

www.nytimes.com

....

Contributing factors: khat, rum, religion.

 

[Kirkhill]

New sporting activity for schools:

How far can you toss your desk?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Society has been conditioned by politicians and high ranking LEOs not to step in and attempt to help. One guy with a knife? Yeah me and a few others might get cut - bad - but damned if I am going to stand by and watch.

For some reason we've taught our good people not to take action or get involved. Instead we tell them to step back or lay down and let the bad person have their way.

And our courts and judicial system will ruin good people for defending themselves against bad people.

 

[Halifax Tar]

A short video from The Hunting Gear Guy

 

[Colin Parkinson]

OIC's are not going away, they are a fundamental tool of day to day governance. My understanding is that the current Firearms Act is written in such a way that firearms cannot be moved from the Prob/Restricted category to NR by OIC, it's a one way trip with this legislation. So the whole Act needs replacing. On the first day in, they can freeze any actions that harm gun owners while they await legislation changes.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

OIC's are not going away, they are a fundamental tool of day to day governance. My understanding is that the current Firearms Act is written in such a way that firearms cannot be moved from the Prob/Restricted category to NR by OIC, it's a one way trip with this legislation. So the whole Act needs replacing. On the first day in, they can freeze any actions that harm gun owners while they await legislation changes.

Perhaps they can remove the authority of the RCMP to classify, then use their majority to reclassify everything back to where it was. That would allow firearms owners to use their guns again until they sort shit out. Might not need to change anything else until they take a wrecking ball to trudeau's disarm the citizen initiative.