Quag said:I'm confused. Being bilingual is a requirement for officers that wish to be Major and above. How can they cut this out if it is a requirement?
Mud Recce Man said:By adding it later in your career, if you are being prep'd for promotion to Maj.
The thought is if you get your profile while a 2Lt...how much of it do you remember, if you haven't been posted to a french unit, come time for your Majors?
Another factor, apparantly, is they want to get people thru their actual MOC training first. Makes sense, actually. The CF could pump all that training, groceries and time into you, where you get your profile which is good across the Federal government, and then fail out of say CAP or something like that...best bang for the tax payers buck? IMO, no.
So its not "cut out" it is "shuffled down the career path".
Mud Recce Man said:Another factor, apparantly, is they want to get people thru their actual MOC training first. Makes sense, actually. The CF could pump all that training, groceries and time into you, where you get your profile which is good across the Federal government, and then fail out of say CAP or something like that...best bang for the tax payers buck? IMO, no.
sigpig said:Also, as noted, people who took french trg early in their careers and rarely, if ever, used it again, will lose it. Lots of money and effort wasted in an effort to politically keep a certain province happy.
Quag said:While I sense the sarcasm in your tone, we are still a bilingual COUNTRY, and as being such, many workerseof the public service should be required to speak both official languages.
George Wallace said:It is not really required much in the Western provinces. It is hardly required in most of the Atlantic provinces.
George Wallace said:Only in the National Capital Region will you find many Civil Servants who have to deal with the public in both Official Languages. These services are not offered in Quebec. It is not really required much in the Western provinces. It is hardly required in most of the Atlantic provinces. The fact is that the vast majority of Public Service workers have no contact with the Public at all.
George Wallace said:Take the large number of IT personnel in the Public Service. Their language (Programming Languages) is English. Why are they forced to become Bilingual in order that their job can be redesignated as a "Bilingual Position" and they will be required to be tested annually for their language proficiency in French? If they pass in order for the Government to declare their position "Bilingual Essential", and then fail the Language Test in a following year, they are laid off. Does this seem fair and just? I think not. It is another visual case of catering to a very vocal and spoiled minority and is the cause of much consternation in the Federal, Provincial and Municipal Civil Services. It, if you want to wear a tinfoil hat, equates to the Francofication of Canada. And people wonder why our Nation is so screwed up in the way it is governed and managed.
Quag said:Well, Halifax, Saint John, Quebec, Sherbrooke, Montreal, Oshawa, Toronto, Hamilton, St. Catharines-Niagara, Kitchener, Windsor, Sudbury, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are just some of the many "metropolis" areas that are REQUIRED to offer bilingual services. That covers the Atlantic and the West I'd say.
Quag said:Well, Halifax, Saint John, Quebec, Sherbrooke, Montreal, Oshawa, Toronto, Hamilton, St. Catharines-Niagara, Kitchener, Windsor, Sudbury, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are just some of the many "metropolis" areas that are REQUIRED to offer bilingual services. That covers the Atlantic and the West I'd say.
Zoomie said:This new policy will most likely only affect the incoming anglo students - francophone Officer's will still be required to have a sufficiently high English profile. All professional Airforce courses are only taught in English.
Quag said:Once again, this is just my opinion.
But given the obvious fact that our country is much more bilingual than you might have thought George (ref your comment about the Atlantic and Western areas of Canada), don't you think it is important to make it REQUIRED for government services to be in both official languages.
The only way I see around this issue, is to remove French as one of our official languages...and I cannot see that ever happening). Much of our heritage and history in Canada is owed to France and French colonies (and I know other European settlers, the British etc...)