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At least he will be protected against BOHICA.Good luck wandering around the afterlife in those pants.
At least he will be protected against BOHICA.Good luck wandering around the afterlife in those pants.
Justin Trudeau the frequent focus of Saanich shooter Instagram posts
Posted: Jul. 2, 2022 4:14PM | Last Updated: Jul. 2, 2022 5:37PM
A now-deleted Instagram feed of one of the Saanich bank shooter suspects contains posts containing anti-government, and pro-gun content.
Twenty-two-year-olds Isaac and Mathew Auchterlonie are the two suspects identified by RCMP.
They were twin brothers, who former classmates say went to Frances Kelsey Secondary School in Mill Bay.
Several posts on the Instagram feed are reposted videos from the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights, and one of the twins is pictured here wearing a CCRF shirt. (Jay Roze/Youtube)
The former classmates, who asked to not be named, spoke with CHEK News and said in high school the brothers mostly kept to themselves.
They said the brothers had plans to attend basic training for the military, but were unaware if they followed through with the plans after graduation.
The brothers graduated from high school in 2018, and the classmates were not in touch with them after that.
Isaac’s account handle was @isaacauchterlonie867, and posts on the account have a pattern of language against the federal government and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Posts on the Instagram posts often included hashtags with anti-Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sentiments. (Jay Roze/Youtube)
In photos with bullets, the hashtag #freedomseeds was frequently used. (Jay Roze/Youtube)
Instagram posts often focused on gun control. (Jay Roze/Youtube)
The account’s bio was the following bullet point list:
Several posts also contained anti-vaccine hashtags.
- Canadian
- Patriot
- WW2 Pacific war enthusiastus [sic]
- Nature
- Firearms
Before the account was deleted, it followed several high-profile accounts like Rebel News, Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights, National Rifle Association and Andrew Scheer.
Just thinking out loud here, but where does the line get drawn as far as intelligence gathering by "the authorities"?Just ruminating...
My ill informed guess is that there are, potentially, dozens of other crazy bastards like this on Vancouver Island.
My kids' school is about 400 metres from that bank. Several other schools, malls and other places where large groups of people can be found are similar distances away.
I'm wondering if this incident will usher in a more robust approach to finding and dealing with/ deterring nut jobs like these. I mean, with social media posts like that, they're just waving a 'look at me' flag of some kind...
The quick and easy answer is 'yes'. The benchmark the courts will use is 'reasonable expectation of privacy' and there is a tonne of caselaw on that. If you post something on the web with no privacy controls or filters, it can be argued that you had no reasonable expectation of privacy. The fact that people who you'd rather not see it, like the State, do see it will, in all likelihood, end up being irrelevant.Just thinking out loud here, but where does the line get drawn as far as intelligence gathering by "the authorities"?
Do we go with a "if you made it public its free game" approach? Require a warrant to search open source internet information? Encourage the public to report on their physical or digital neighbour?
Not advocating in any direction, just thinking out loud. We can already see the back blast the most recent pending legislation to allow CRTC to monitor and control internet content is getting.
That’s AI surveillance stuff- the amount of stuff posted like that and the amount of follow up that would be neccessary is astronomical. I’m sure someone will disagree with me here but I’m not interested in state surveillance at that level.
I have detachments at 40 percent strength that are having a shootout a month, I don’t care to also have to produce a unit that does that — and 10 NCOs reviewing body worn camera footage etc.
The court system needs to put bad guys in jail- alternative Justice and second chances should be provided to people. Support etc. but for mother fathers that thumb their nose at the rules of society. Jail.
When we nail that down we can start looking at this other stuff.
There was a section for that in a contract province that I was involved in- they were folded and shut down because they weren’t producing actual charges after the intel- because nothing was actionable. So what’s the use in knowing? There is a tactical use - and when we run certain ops that’s all pulled and out together but it’s not routinely useful and adds to paranoia.
We already know where the work is- we aren’t doing it. I’m not trying to be obtuse- it’s entirely possible I can’t see the forest for the trees. The actual 911 facing operational policing in Canada is in dire straits. I’m no chicken little- but until Canadians actually get comfortable with the back side of their Justice process actually admitting people need to be in jail- nothing new on the front side will have an honest return- in my coal faced opinion.OTOH, if we can get better at the analysis and predictive work at all levels, the deployment of scarce resources can be better tailored to need.
The RCMP has a specialized section, the Firearms Internet Investigation Support Unit who exist to do a non-AI driven (AFAIK) search of OS social media for potential public safety threats involving firearms.That’s AI surveillance stuff- the amount of stuff posted like that and the amount of follow up that would be necessary is astronomical. I’m sure someone will disagree with me here but I’m not interested in state surveillance at that level.
And what your proposing goes directly against most of the rights and freedoms you enjoy in this country and if anything would turn more people against the government not for it.Just ruminating...
My ill informed guess is that there are, potentially, dozens of other crazy bastards like this on Vancouver Island.
My kids' school is about 400 metres from that bank. Several other schools, malls and other places where large groups of people can be found are similar distances away.
I'm wondering if this incident will usher in a more robust approach to finding and dealing with/ deterring nut jobs like these. I mean, with social media posts like that, they're just waving a 'look at me' flag of some kind...
6 people….probably one on paternity…one on leave…one off sick…The RCMP has a specialized section, the Firearms Internet Investigation Support Unit who exist to do a non-AI driven (AFAIK) search of OS social media for potential public safety threats involving firearms.
I get his frustration though- and he’s a well experienced person. People want action- and they should.And what your proposing goes directly against most of the rights and freedoms you enjoy in this country and if anything would turn more people against the government not for it.
When you have people who are anti-government and believe in conspiracies, why do you think giving them a minority report type system will help erase their fears and resentment towards it?
Not to mention they have the right to be so called ‘nut jobs’ and up until they robbed a bank appeared to have not committed any crimes. The government should not be determining what thought is or is not acceptable, thats how things like Chinas social credit system come into effect comrade.
And in my opinion the academics can shove it as from what I have seen coming from the academia recently is nonsense.I get his frustration though- and he’s a well experienced person. People want action- and they should.
The academics say we need a new way forward- heavy on intel etc- and it’s true. But the ethical liberty stuff is becoming the real issue in lots of ways.
Nowhere in my post did I claim the unit was effective. I simply noted that it exists.6 people….probably one on paternity…one on leave…one off sick…
Not a criticism of your postNowhere in my post did I claim the unit was effective. I simply noted that it exists.
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I did not take it as such. I, too, work for a ridiculously shorthanded team.Not a criticism of your post