TacticalTea
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And pâté chinois.
Royal B.C. Museum to be imminently gutted in the name of 'decolonization'
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Most of that is likely myth. No one can really point to its origin and Pate Chinois seems to have become a French Canadian dish after 1930.
But who knows.
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That's just a fancy name for Sheppard's pie lol
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Makes you wonder about the original inhabitants of Easter Island. At least a 3500km canoe trip hitting a proverbial spec in the middle of the ocean.
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Well, you never hear about the canoe trips that went 3500km and missed and ran out of food...
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Les Leyne is being very polite here, but on the mark as usual.
A cautionary tale for hubris inclined politicians looking for 'PC crowd decorated' glory in the post-pandemic era
Horgan did his best to absorb all the responsibility for what happened
Premier John Horgan officially certified the Royal B.C. Museum project on Wednesday as a fiasco of historic proportions, then did his best to absorb all the responsibility for it.
He did a lot better job of taking one for the team than he did explaining how years of work by all the ranking experts produced a soaring vision that crashed and burned before it even left the runway.
It was only five weeks ago he presided over the grandiose announcement of the $789-million project, which called for tearing down the RBCM and spending seven years building a new one on the same site. On Wednesday, he acknowledged the wall of public hostility to the idea and killed it.
He absolved the two ministers who have been responsible for the now-aborted museum visioning project over the past five years — Lisa Beare and Melanie Mark — of any responsibility for this botch.
That shows a lot more generosity than they deserve. Horgan said the failings are all on him.
It was a forthright display of responsibility, but he was less forthcoming on the background reasons why this blew up in his face so dramatically.
There were two big ones. The first was the outlandish price tag — the most expensive museum in Canadian history — arriving at a time when pressing needs are obvious in every public sphere. Horgan insisted again it is not an either/or proposition. It’s one per cent of the capital budget and it doesn’t come at the expense of meeting other needs.
But that argument hasn’t moved anyone since the original announcement and it’s not worth making now.
The other was how it was perfunctorily sprung on people with no warning.
Horgan said “it was no secret” and “revitalizing” the RBCM has been on the public agenda for years.
It’s true that museum modernization has been in the works for years. But at no point were taxpayers consulted on the idea of razing the landmark, and leaving Victoria without a main tourist attraction for seven years while a new one was built.
It looks like the NDP’s Indigenous reconciliation drive, which was the main theme of the May 14 announcement, overshadowed a lot of the practical issues. No one seems to have asked: “How is this going to fly?”
Now they have the answer. Not well.
Scrapping it is likely the best call. But it’s a marvel that the NDP worked itself into a position where the options are so miserable. Horgan’s choice was to trigger a one-off train wreck to avoid a dumpster fire that could have burned for years.
So now all the previously discarded options are up for discussion. Horgan said: “I’m stopping the project and going back to the public with a renewed understanding of the importance of it to the public and hoping to get a better outcome.”
The problem is that the previous museum botch looms even larger now. The abrupt shutdown of the Old Town and other popular exhibits this year (again with no consultation) for reasons that shifted from “decolonizing” to seismic and asbestos, forced them to slash admission prices.
It’s a $5 ticket now. That’s what you’d pay at some roadside hubcap collection.
(The Victoria Bug Zoo charges $16, which is an indication of where the once-revered RBCM ranks.)
So they’ve changed course and will leave it open at a price that’s barely worth charging, which signifies there’s not much to see.
Also, starting over will add a year or two to the time, at a cost of millions.
Any savings they claim by inventing a Plan B and committing to it could be consumed by the delay costs, with inflation now running in B.C. at eight per cent.
Horgan said: “If we are moving more artifacts back through repatriation or other mechanisms to communities that will mean that we can diminish the size and scope of the facility here in Victoria.”
Whatever they come up with, it’s conceivable that the Royal B.C. Museum as fondly remembered by all is gone for good.
www.timescolonist.com
A cautionary tale for hubris inclined politicians looking for 'PC crowd decorated' glory in the post-pandemic era
Les Leyne: RBCM fiasco 'on me,' Horgan says
Horgan did his best to absorb all the responsibility for what happened
Premier John Horgan officially certified the Royal B.C. Museum project on Wednesday as a fiasco of historic proportions, then did his best to absorb all the responsibility for it.
He did a lot better job of taking one for the team than he did explaining how years of work by all the ranking experts produced a soaring vision that crashed and burned before it even left the runway.
It was only five weeks ago he presided over the grandiose announcement of the $789-million project, which called for tearing down the RBCM and spending seven years building a new one on the same site. On Wednesday, he acknowledged the wall of public hostility to the idea and killed it.
He absolved the two ministers who have been responsible for the now-aborted museum visioning project over the past five years — Lisa Beare and Melanie Mark — of any responsibility for this botch.
That shows a lot more generosity than they deserve. Horgan said the failings are all on him.
It was a forthright display of responsibility, but he was less forthcoming on the background reasons why this blew up in his face so dramatically.
There were two big ones. The first was the outlandish price tag — the most expensive museum in Canadian history — arriving at a time when pressing needs are obvious in every public sphere. Horgan insisted again it is not an either/or proposition. It’s one per cent of the capital budget and it doesn’t come at the expense of meeting other needs.
But that argument hasn’t moved anyone since the original announcement and it’s not worth making now.
The other was how it was perfunctorily sprung on people with no warning.
Horgan said “it was no secret” and “revitalizing” the RBCM has been on the public agenda for years.
It’s true that museum modernization has been in the works for years. But at no point were taxpayers consulted on the idea of razing the landmark, and leaving Victoria without a main tourist attraction for seven years while a new one was built.
It looks like the NDP’s Indigenous reconciliation drive, which was the main theme of the May 14 announcement, overshadowed a lot of the practical issues. No one seems to have asked: “How is this going to fly?”
Now they have the answer. Not well.
Scrapping it is likely the best call. But it’s a marvel that the NDP worked itself into a position where the options are so miserable. Horgan’s choice was to trigger a one-off train wreck to avoid a dumpster fire that could have burned for years.
So now all the previously discarded options are up for discussion. Horgan said: “I’m stopping the project and going back to the public with a renewed understanding of the importance of it to the public and hoping to get a better outcome.”
The problem is that the previous museum botch looms even larger now. The abrupt shutdown of the Old Town and other popular exhibits this year (again with no consultation) for reasons that shifted from “decolonizing” to seismic and asbestos, forced them to slash admission prices.
It’s a $5 ticket now. That’s what you’d pay at some roadside hubcap collection.
(The Victoria Bug Zoo charges $16, which is an indication of where the once-revered RBCM ranks.)
So they’ve changed course and will leave it open at a price that’s barely worth charging, which signifies there’s not much to see.
Also, starting over will add a year or two to the time, at a cost of millions.
Any savings they claim by inventing a Plan B and committing to it could be consumed by the delay costs, with inflation now running in B.C. at eight per cent.
Horgan said: “If we are moving more artifacts back through repatriation or other mechanisms to communities that will mean that we can diminish the size and scope of the facility here in Victoria.”
Whatever they come up with, it’s conceivable that the Royal B.C. Museum as fondly remembered by all is gone for good.
Les Leyne: RBCM fiasco 'on me,' Horgan says
Horgan did his best to absorb all the responsibility for what happened
www.timescolonist.com
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Politicians. Everything comes at the expense of something else.
I suppose the people running the museum might now employ passive sabotage - letting it run down - to get what they want.
On a pre pandemic trop to New Zealand at a Māori museum they showed how they would navigate the ocean in those canoes island hoping, using the horizon, birds etc. All sort of ways to navigate and find what they were looking for. Interesting stuff.
Edit: adding link
Locating land
Birds The pathways of migratory birds may have helped in the discovery of new lands. There were certainly people who were familiar with patterns of bird migration. For example, the direction of the West Polynesian pigeon’s annual migration was followed by navigators between ...
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Not likely.
I know some of the people who work there and they're solid professionals. They'll figure a way through all this mess!
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But we wouldn't have to pay to see all that in a museum
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The Polynesian were likely the world's best navigators till the 16th Century Europeans.On a pre pandemic trop to New Zealand at a Māori museum they showed how they would navigate the ocean in those canoes island hoping, using the horizon, birds etc. All sort of ways to navigate and find what they were looking for. Interesting stuff.
Edit: adding link
Locating land
Birds The pathways of migratory birds may have helped in the discovery of new lands. There were certainly people who were familiar with patterns of bird migration. For example, the direction of the West Polynesian pigeon’s annual migration was followed by navigators between ...teara.govt.nz
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At some point we are going to have to either rebuild or totally upgrade the RBCM. I put this in the category of desirable infrastructure upgrades as opposed to necessary (highways, bridges, etc). The issue here really wasn't the project itself, but how and when it was presented to the public. To put it mildly, the NDP were totally tone deaf to what is going on in BC. Housing, health care, inflation, the opioid crisis, these are the things on the minds of British Columbians. Total misread on the part of the NDP. The communications staff should be sacked, not to mention the responsible minister and her staff.
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Bring in Trudeau’s team, they’ll get er done!She's First Nations. No way that's going to happen
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Wanted a museum rebuild legacy project, but now they're both history. Nonetheless, he'll be remembered as one of the very few NDP leaders in this province who wasn't an out and out selfish crook:
B.C. Premier John Horgan, the first two-term NDP leader of the province, has announced he will not run in the next election and there will be a leadership convention in the fall to select a new party leader.
Last week, he announced that he was stopping plans for a new $789-million Royal B.C. Museum in Victoria, taking responsibility for making the wrong call. He also faced declining approval ratings.
Horgan said Tuesday there is “no connection” beyond cancelling the museum rebuild and his decision not to run again. He said he loves the museum and didn’t want it to become “a political football.”
Horgan, 62, led the NDP to a minority government in 2017, followed by a majority in 2020.
He is the first B.C. premier in 36 years to step away from office without facing an internal revolt, deal-breaking scandal or facing defeat.
www.timescolonist.com
B.C. premier says he'll step aside as NDP leader, won't seek re-election
B.C. Premier John Horgan, the first two-term NDP leader of the province, has announced he will not run in the next election and there will be a leadership convention in the fall to select a new party leader.
Last week, he announced that he was stopping plans for a new $789-million Royal B.C. Museum in Victoria, taking responsibility for making the wrong call. He also faced declining approval ratings.
Horgan said Tuesday there is “no connection” beyond cancelling the museum rebuild and his decision not to run again. He said he loves the museum and didn’t want it to become “a political football.”
Horgan, 62, led the NDP to a minority government in 2017, followed by a majority in 2020.
He is the first B.C. premier in 36 years to step away from office without facing an internal revolt, deal-breaking scandal or facing defeat.
B.C. premier says he'll step aside as NDP leader, won't seek re-election
B.C. Premier John Horgan, the first two-term NDP leader of the province, has announced he will not run in the next election and there will be a leadership convention in the fall to select a new party leader.
www.timescolonist.com
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daftandbarmy
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Not surprised over here....
B.C. Tourism Minister Melanie Mark resigns from cabinet to take medical leave
Mark going on leave 'to focus on pressing and urgent personal matters,' premier says
Citizen Services Minister Lisa Beare has assumed responsibility for tourism, arts, culture and sport in addition to her current portfolio.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/melanie-mark-resigns-from-cabinet-1.6599202
B.C. Tourism Minister Melanie Mark resigns from cabinet to take medical leave
Mark going on leave 'to focus on pressing and urgent personal matters,' premier says
Citizen Services Minister Lisa Beare has assumed responsibility for tourism, arts, culture and sport in addition to her current portfolio.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/melanie-mark-resigns-from-cabinet-1.6599202
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The third floor claims another one...
www.timescolonist.com
Royal B.C. Museum CEO resigns after 16 months
Royal B.C. Museum CEO resigns after 16 months
The museum announced Alicia Dubois’ resignation in a statement Friday afternoon
www.timescolonist.com
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Guess they'll just have to keep getting part of their funding from paying customers who like the 3rd floor.
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