New Rucksack

[geo]

I've worked in enough HQ's etc to know that people like this don't talk to each other......you'd think they'd have coordinated it, I know......but remember lots of these people are engineers....so they don't talk to others......

Hey, hey... talk nice about the engineers  :warstory: we DO talk to others.... possibly not to you - but to everyone else

 

[KevinB]

OldSolduer - while the PM for the Ruck may not have talked to others - the people above them should have been ensuring that the systems interoperate -- otherwize your better off having a bunch of Cpl's running CTS and DLR (probably are better off anyway) as they would work out the interoperability during bitching about whoever was running then 

 

[daftandbarmy]

I'm sure everyone will agree it is a definite improvement from the 82 POS. I've heard the arguement from Inf types that 81mm baseplates can't be carried with it, or any other specialist kit as can be carried on the 64, to which I reply the CTS ruck has borrowed ALOT from the british bergan, and if British infantry can carry milan firing posts with the bergan, why not with the CTS ruck???

Caution about the 'Grass being Greener' syndrome re: The British Bergen. I was one of the lab rats that did the original user trials on it and we recommended a beefier waste belt. It was, however, designed to be worn with the 58 pattern webbing (go figger, an '80s ruck designed for interoperability with a 50s webbing system) and so was issued with a aneamic thin little waist belt. The 58 webbing had two big kidney pouches on the back which made it easy to rest the bergen on when tabbing. However, when you used a tac vest you effectively had an 80lb day sack on your back.

Not impossible, just darned wierd and very top heavy.

 

[Matt_Fisher]

Caution about the 'Grass being Greener' syndrome re: The British Bergen. I was one of the lab rats that did the original user trials on it and we recommended a beefier waste belt. It was, however, designed to be worn with the 58 pattern webbing (go figger, an '80s ruck designed for interoperability with a 50s webbing system) and so was issued with a aneamic thin little waist belt. The 58 webbing had two big kidney pouches on the back which made it easy to rest the bergen on when tabbing. However, when you used a tac vest you effectively had an 80lb day sack on your back.

Not impossible, just darned wierd and very top heavy.

ALOT of British troops will get what they call a 'Shortback' Bergan to use with PLCE belt kit.  As Daftandbarmy described, the bottom of the ruck will sit on the top of the 3 rear mounted utility pouches, which transfers some of the weight onto the web belt (often worn with a padded sleeve known as a 'hippo pad').  A very common result is what's known as 'Bergan Bite' where the 3 utility pouches are pressed into the small of the back and the resulting abrasion causes chafing and blisters.

 

[OldSolduer]

I-6 I agree....they really need some end users in those shops.

 

[MikeL]

Any news on the ICE rucks? ie release date, etc

 

[geo]

Any news on the ICE rucks? ie release date, etc

It's beind distributed - what do you think this thread is all about.

Unfortunately, the production and distribution appears as slow as molasses.
Reserve brigades appear to be receiving em (above - some indication that Nfld troops have just received).

 

[Fusaki]

It's beind distributed - what do you think this thread is all about.

Unfortunately, the production and distribution appears as slow as molasses.
Reserve brigades appear to be receiving em (above - some indication that Nfld troops have just received).

You're talking about something different.

There's the new "Issued Ruck" and then there's the company http://www.icetactical.com/ that is working on an updated ruck to fit on the 64 Pattern Frame.

 

[MikeL]

It's beind distributed - what do you think this thread is all about.

Unfortunately, the production and distribution appears as slow as molasses.
Reserve brigades appear to be receiving em (above - some indication that Nfld troops have just received).

I got the issue ruck almost a year ago so I'm not to concerned about getting it    In my above post I was refering to the ICE Tactical Ruck like Wonder Bread said

 

[geo]

Ahhh..... why didn't you say so in the 1st place 

 

[DirtyDog]

On a side note, we were told the other day that there will be NO replacement parts/exchanges available for the new ruck for atleast a year.  That should be interesting as guys were busting them up on intial issue (small things like fastex buckles and what not, but still....).

 

[Matt_Fisher]

On a side note, we were told the other day that there will be NO replacement parts/exchanges available for the new ruck for atleast a year.  That should be interesting as guys were busting them up on intial issue (small things like fastex buckles and what not, but still....).

I just received our first shipment of CF Tac-Vest/Smallpack/Rucksack compatible repair buckles yesterday.  We'll have them on the site (www.cpgear.com) for individual purchase next week for those folks needing to repair broken buckles.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

On a side note, we were told the other day that there will be NO replacement parts/exchanges available for the new ruck for atleast a year.  That should be interesting as guys were busting them up on intial issue (small things like fastex buckles and what not, but still....).

Are you serious?  Wtf.  :

Thats just sad, pathetic and embarassing.

 

[DirtyDog]

Are you serious?  Wtf.   :

Thats just sad, pathetic and embarassing.

When we asked what we were supposed to do if our rucks were NS and there was no exchange or replacement parts, we were just given a blank stare and a shrug and "Maybe we can see about getting your old rucks back somehow.....".  Not our CoC's fault though. They were just as flabergasted as we were.  And to think it took 10 years to get us to this point. Unbelievbable.

 

[Matt_Fisher]

On a side note, we were told the other day that there will be NO replacement parts/exchanges available for the new ruck for atleast a year.  That should be interesting as guys were busting them up on intial issue (small things like fastex buckles and what not, but still....).

When we asked what we were supposed to do if our rucks were NS and there was no exchange or replacement parts, we were just given a blank stare and a shrug and "Maybe we can see about getting your old rucks back somehow.....".  Not our CoC's fault though. They were just as flabergasted as we were.  And to think it took 10 years to get us to this point. Unbelievbable.

As promised...Replacement plastic hardware parts for CF ISSUED LOAD CARRIAGE ITEMS (Tac-Vest, Smallpack, Rucksack, and Accessory Pouches)
Tac-Vest Female Pouch Side-Release Buckle Body & Mounting Plate http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn=1.19.56&f=pd&pid=649
Smallpack, Rucksack, and Accessory Pouches Female Side-Release Buckle Body http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn=1.19.56&f=pd&pid=651
Tac-Vest, Smallpack, Rucksack, and Accessory Pouches Male Side-Release Buckle http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn=1.19.56&f=pd&pid=650

 

[geo]

Good one Matt....
Nice to see that someone is listening....
Too bad the CF & Supply & Services can't WORK THAT FAST....when ther is a need , a need for speed!

 

[Bzzliteyr]

But do they come in green?? 

On second thought, if I had green a kafasaurus would notice it and I would get in trouble for aftermarket kit!!

 

[Matt_Fisher]

But do they come in green?? 

On second thought, if I had green a kafasaurus would notice it and I would get in trouble for aftermarket kit!!

Black, as they are the same hardware as what's on the equipment now.

 

[PanaEng]

I've worked in enough HQ's etc to know that people like this don't talk to each other......you'd think they'd have coordinated it, I know......but remember lots of these people are engineers....so they don't talk to others......

Alright, I take offence to that.
As an engineer I take pride in that the things I design can coexist with other things or, at least, are flexible enough that they can be modified to work well with other things. I try to seek out any related project and ensure I at least don't introduce incompatibilities. But I work with computers and hardware, clothing and gear is a different story but I would think it would be easier to coordinate.

The problem in this case has to do with the project managers/directors (I don't know any of them) lack of PM experience or engineering experience.

 

[Sig_Des]

On a side note, we were told the other day that there will be NO replacement parts/exchanges available for the new ruck for atleast a year.  That should be interesting as guys were busting them up on intial issue (small things like fastex buckles and what not, but still....).

Did you actually get this from Stores?

About a month back I got a replacement for the hip belt buckle. Walked in, handed her the busted one, she gave me the new one, that was it.  It took her a while to find it, as they were in a Sea can full, but that was it.

Besides, upon issue of the ruck, there's a bunch of spare straps and buckles in the top pouch.