Snakedoc said:Hey Stoker, I might be a bit out of the loop on this but could you elaborate a bit on the shore based and ship based class C positions that are coming? Thanks.
Eye In The Sky said:Interesting. Anyone heard if this move is being made on the Army side too?
I know there are (well...were...) alot of Class B/A positions in the ARE. If the NavRes is going Cl C for those types of positions, it would seem to me that the PRes and Air Res should consider it as well.
The odd part about the last comment here is that the NDA defines a person who is working full time in the CF as being Regular Force and a person working other than full time as being in the Reserve Force. Conceptually, this strategy is running in opposition to the definition in the NDA.Stoker said:As it stands right now force protection, including the gate guard are getting class C. Sea training minor war vessels are in the process of getting it. Its expected that all shore based jobs, teaching, admin, OJT will be getting class C hopefully by the end of the year. This is in part a retention strategy and a move to declare and recognise that the reserves are either full time or part time.
Sailorwest said:The odd part about the last comment here is that the NDA defines a person who is working full time in the CF as being Regular Force and a person working other than full time as being in the Reserve Force. Conceptually, this strategy is running in opposition to the definition in the NDA.
Sailorwest said:Or perhaps those who want to work full time for the Navy should be in the regular force not the reserve force. What's happened is a blurring of this definition. Without getting hyper critical, why don't the people who seem to make a career of being in the navy just join the regular force?
nick2k said:The reason why the navy has such a hard time getting people to stay in is the fact that they still run the navy as they did 50 years ago. I was in for 5 years and I finally saw the light and joined the air force. While in the navy I was duty every 13 days. Washing, waxing, sweeping floors. Cleaning toilets, painting and answer phones just to name a few. The funny thing was I never got in **** for anything, plus I was a NET(T) or Radar Technician that was just the way the navy works. In the air force, I go to work, do what I was trained to do( Fix planes or helos) , and then go home. Much better quality of life. No stranger to work . Dont mind work 5 days or more straight no food or sleep. I want to work but not being the janitor im sorry.The navy spent all this money training me to do the job someone with a grade 2 education can do.
HFXCrow said:I agree with nick2k post. I see his frustration every day with new people when they join the ship and we make them do everything but their job. When they are not cleaning, we make them do redundant WHIMIS training and other BS.
To start to retain sailors we have to adjust our outdated thinking and maybe have cleaning stations 3 times a week for a half hour. In a two hour cleaning station , how much work gets done after the first 30 minutes.
I agree the ship must be maintained but a balance must be put in place to ensure work and maintenance is done but also tactful training either alongside or at sea.
I don't blame you for going to the AF, the Navy is not an easy go.
George, your missing the point on nicks post, he wants to do the job he was trained to do, not be a glorified cleaner which is what our junior guys tend to end up doing, day after day. It is at the point now where when they do get to do training their skill set has slipped significantly.Question about Cleaning:
Why doesn't the Navy do like the Army and Air Force and hire civvie contractors to clean the heads, passageways, etc.? >
Oh! Yea. It is rather hard to get that cleaners van from Esquimalt to the worksite if the worksite is cruising the Red Sea, or Pearl, or Gulf of Yeman, or Bermuda, or ...........
jollyjacktar said:I attended the SCAN held in Halifax this past week. There were around 450 people in attendance. Granted a few were the partners of these folks, but not too many. We are going to be in the hurt locker on this coast over the next couple of years as these folks take their exit. They still need to so something on the retention issues. For me, I would like to see the pension souped up somehow. Maybe 2.5% a year vs the 2%, some bonus on re-signing ala the USN. For me it is too late on the bonus, I am already on my IPS and getting the bone on leaving before 24 + a day but making the pension juicier would intice me to see the IPS to the end and maybe further.
November Charlie said:We hurt already...unfortuantely its not hurting the right people....personally, I'd like to see it so bad that POs have to do their 2 hour cleaning stations because all the lower deckers have re-mustered to the airforce.
Ex-Dragoon said:And when you need things done Divisionally who is going to do that? "PO, did my paperwork go through for my advance promotion" "Sorry AB but I am here scrubbing the heads.." There is a reason why POs are not involved in cleaning stations. :![]()