Messed up rapper.

[Good2Golf]

...Since S. 319 of the criminal code - incitement of hatred - quite explictly deals only with certain categories as 'identifiable groups', and since 'members of the military' in no way fall into that, there's no room for a credible application of this particular offense in this instance...

Perhaps you could be so kind as to point out either in the CCC, or Canadian case law, where the Canadian Forces is specifically excluded from consideration as an 'identifiable group'?  This rather sweeping statement does much to erode the value of many of your previous comments.


Regards
G2G

 

[exabedtech]

If we are to jail every rapper that says something stupid, hateful, offensive, childish, racist or otherwise in bad taste then I guess we need to start building more prisons.
Musicians in general and rappers in particular are not strangers to creating controversy in order to get their name out.  This clown is a perfect example... no one ever heard of him and now he's in the news and being discussed.  Anyone want to guess at how much money he's earned through this tactic?

This is only a big deal unless we make it out to be one.  Same class as wearing a meat dress or shaking the hips in a suggestive manner.  Lets get over it.

 

[brihard]

Perhaps you could be so kind as to point out either in the CCC, or Canadian case law, where the Canadian Forces is specifically excluded from consideration as an 'identifiable group'?  This rather sweeping statement does much to erode the value of many of your previous comments.


Regards
G2G

Certainly. You'll find it in section 318(4) of the Criminal Code of Canada; the crime of advocating genocide, which includes a definition of 'identifiable group'. Subsection (7) of 319 (the offence of incitement of hatred) refers to that prior section for its definition of 'identifiable group'. It is not a category that is considered to be exclusionary in definition, but rather inclusionary- that is to say, unless you fit a category explicitly enumerated under that section, you are not in play.

Kindly offer me the chance to back up my position with the facts I've previously offered to cite before you call me out on the anticipatory 'erorison of value' of my posts. You'll find I rarely say anything I'm unwilling to back up, and will immediately cede a point if I cannot prove myself correct. You would not have found this difficult to find yourself had you chosen to look before taking a shot at me.

318(4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

319(7)  In this section,... “identifiable group” has the same meaning as in section 318;

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-150.html#docCont

 

[cphansen]

Certainly. You'll find it in section 318(4) of the Criminal Code of Canada; the crime of advocating genocide, which includes a definition of 'identifiable group'. Subsection (7) of 319 (the offence of incitement of hatred) refers to that prior section for its definition of 'identifiable group'. It is not a category that is considered to be exclusionary in definition, but rather inclusionary- that is to say, unless you fit a category explicitly enumerated under that section, you are not in play.

Kindly offer me the chance to back up my position with the facts I've previously offered to cite before you call me out on the anticipatory 'erorison of value' of my posts. You'll find I rarely say anything I'm unwilling to back up, and will immediately cede a point if I cannot prove myself correct. You would not have found this difficult to find yourself had you chosen to look before taking a shot at me.


http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-150.html#docCont

I can certainly see where section 318 (4) of the Criminal Code's criteria would make it impossible for the Canadian Military to be defined as an identifiable group.

I guess we have to rely on our uniforms, discipline and professionalism etc. 

 

[brihard]

I guess we have to rely on our uniforms, discipline and professionalism etc.

Exactly right. No opinion expressed by anyone else can take that away from us.

 

[Good2Golf]

Certainly. You'll find it in section 318(4) of the Criminal Code of Canada; the crime of advocating genocide, which includes a definition of 'identifiable group'. Subsection (7) of 319 (the offence of incitement of hatred) refers to that prior section for its definition of 'identifiable group'. It is not a category that is considered to be exclusionary in definition, but rather inclusionary- that is to say, unless you fit a category explicitly enumerated under that section, you are not in play.

Kindly offer me the chance to back up my position with the facts I've previously offered to cite before you call me out on the anticipatory 'erorison of value' of my posts. You'll find I rarely say anything I'm unwilling to back up, and will immediately cede a point if I cannot prove myself correct. You would not have found this difficult to find yourself had you chosen to look before taking a shot at me.


http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-150.html#docCont

Thank you, I had not appreciated the linked definitions from 318 to 319.  I stand corrected and offer my apologies for my previous comment towards you. 

Regards
G2G

 

[brihard]

Thank you, I had not appreciated the linked definitions from 318 to 319.  I stand corrected and offer my apologies for my previous comment towards you. 

Regards
G2G

Accepted, and thank you.

The CCC is a pain in the arse that way. Lots of references amidst sections, and then there's case law on top of it to further hammer down nuances and definitions as appeals are heard.

 

[The Bread Guy]

A Manitoba MP is calling for a review of Heritage Canada funding, following the release of a music video he says glorifies terrorism.

The video by rapper Manu Militari shows a re-enactment of a roadside bomb attack on a Canadian military vehicle and the murder of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

Selkirk-Interlake Conservative MP James Bezan said the video glorifies the Taliban.

"I am disgusted by Manu Militari's music video. It is outrageous, offensive, and I denounce it in the strongest terms," Bezan said.

"Our men and women in uniform have fought with dedication and valour, sacrificing their lives in defence of the values that we hold dear.

"Canadian soldiers have been fighting in Afghanistan for over 10 years now. This music video shows an utter lack of sensitivity to the families of the 158 brave Canadians who have sacrificed everything for our country."

He wants Militari to return grant money he was given by MusicAction, an independent organization that receives funding from Heritage Canada.

“I think that the artist should be allowed to say whatever they want. I do believe in freedom of expression and freedom of speech and making sure that their artistic talents can take them where they want. But I don't believe that this is proper use of taxpayer dollars,” he said.

Bezan is also calling for a review of all grants MusicAction manages that involve taxpayer money ....

CBC.ca, 5 Jul 12

 

[dogger1936]

Food for thought:

Is this song any worse than the drug glorification and police killing rap that seems prevalent?

Like this gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efs5lOPNuIE

Society is full of degenerates and unfortunately some of our tax dollars funded an artist who falls into that category.

And you have to admit...what a way for a unknown "rapper" to get free publicity. Good marketing.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Food for thought:

Is this song any worse than the drug glorification and police killing rap that seems prevalent?

Like this gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efs5lOPNuIE

Society is full of degenerates and unfortunately some of our tax dollars funded an artist who falls into that category.

True, but does anybody know if the worst of the drug glorifying/cop killing rappers are getting access to tax money for this stuff? 

And you have to admit...what a way for a unknown "rapper" to get free publicity. Good marketing.

True enough - something about no such thing as bad publicity....

 

[zander1976]

All grants have stipulations that state what you can and can't use the money for. Someone messed up and they should be reprimanded. It's been a while since I read a Canadian grant application but from what I remember violence was highly frowned upon. In any case why is art protected and how do you define art? It takes the same amount of work to light and shoot a flower as it does a naked women but one is art and the other is porn. You can draw the art line in the sand all over the place if you want. On a personal note, I am a proud Canadian and I sure as hell don't want to pay some douchbag a cent to promote anything to the contrary.

 

[GnyHwy]

Food for thought:

Is this song any worse than the drug glorification and police killing rap that seems prevalent?

Like this gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efs5lOPNuIE

Society is full of degenerates and unfortunately some of our tax dollars funded an artist who falls into that category.

And you have to admit...what a way for a unknown "rapper" to get free publicity. Good marketing.

Good thing that the link above is a weak artist, and he is probably giving handjobs to his cellmate for cigarettes.

Good marketing?  No.  It is cheap marketing, and thank goodness is not lasting.

 

[dogger1936]

Good thing that the link above is a weak artist, and he is probably giving handjobs to his cellmate for cigarettes.

Good marketing?  No.  It is cheap marketing, and thank goodness is not lasting.

;D One could hope he is serving a purpose somewhere.


As for the marketing it's free national wide marketing. TV, Radio, Internet has covered this "artist". If you ever checked into what a FM station charges for business ad airtime it's unreal. It's the best marketing ever; FREE!

And we're still talking about him!

For clarity:
(Please note if I do not support this crap; I don't even like the use of glorifying using coke on FM radio stations (i.E nicki minaj et al). Add in having friends killed by taliban I have certain rage issues with the glorifying of these savages by this artist that I will not get into on the internet)