Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.

[Spencer100]

I had a laugh about a FB meme going around.....

"When the medical examiner was on lunch break, Epstein cremated himself." 

 

[expwor]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/medical-examiner-epstein-death-suicide-hanging-ruling-1.5250432

Of course conspiracy theorists will say the coroner was paid off to cover up the "truth" of Epstein's death.  But really nothing to see here, just a POS who's gone

Tom

 

[mariomike]

Of course conspiracy theorists will say the coroner was paid off to cover up the "truth" of Epstein's death. 

Of course you are right.

FBI agents are livid that Trump is amplifying 'bulls--- theories' about Jeffrey Epstein's death 'that have no basis in reality'
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fbi-agents-are-livid-that-trump-is-amplifying-bulls-theories-about-jeffrey-epsteins-death-that-have-no-basis-in-reality/ar-AAFHNrs
FBI personnel are furious that  President Donald Trump retweeted to his 63 million Twitter followers a baseless conspiracy theory suggesting that former President Bill Clinton was involved in the death of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

 

[Blackadder1916]

The scandal surrounding Epstein continues to spread, now across the pond.  To be flip, how randy was Andy?

In typical London tabloid sensationalist fashion, the Daily Mail's latest is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367511/Prince-Andrew-pictured-inside-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-63million-mansion-depravity.html

EXCLUSIVE: Prince Andrew is pictured inside paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's £63million mansion of depravity nine years ago... so how did he miss signs of the billionaire's sexual deviance?

 

[tomahawk6]

I suspect that we may never know the truth unless video  of the area outside the cell turns up. The FBI has taken evidence from his place in NYC and  his island. It was speculated that he had video evidence of his guests . If it is true then the story will get fleshed out. It is known that Clinton was a guest 27 times or so. Passenger logs would determine any other guests.

 

[mariomike]

I suspect that we may never know the truth unless video  of the area outside the cell turns up.

There is video. Reply #56,
https://army.ca/forums/threads/130952/post-1580327.html#msg1580327

See also,

Epstein video,
https://www.google.com/search?q=epstein+guards+video&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gws_rd=ssl#spf=1566232808947

 

[tomahawk6]

CCTV in a jail should be required to monitor the guards primarily and the inmates.

 

[OldSolduer]

CCTV in a jail should be required to monitor the guards primarily and the inmates.

We have extensive CCTV and it is difficult to have every inch under camera.

 

[tomahawk6]

Prior to his death he signed a will transferring his assets to a trust and his brother is the sole beneficiary. I dont see how any of his accusers will see a dime as his fortune is protected by the trust.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-will-days-before-suicide-report

 

[NavyShooter]

Seen today...


Not really a conspiracy guy...but...it seems kinda convenient...

 

[mariomike]

Regarding security,

The entire night, from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m., security cameras showed that nobody entered the wing where Mr. Epstein had been left alone in his cell, the indictment said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/epstein-prison-guards-arrested.html

 

[FJAG]

Prior to his death he signed a will transferring his assets to a trust and his brother is the sole beneficiary. I dont see how any of his accusers will see a dime as his fortune is protected by the trust.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-will-days-before-suicide-report

"Fraudulent Conveyance" is a long-standing principle of the common law which also applies in the United States.

A fraudulent conveyance, or fraudulent transfer, is an attempt to avoid debt by transferring money to another person or company. It is generally a civil, not a criminal matter, meaning that one cannot go to jail for it, but in some jurisdictions there is potential for criminal prosecution.[1] It is generally treated as a civil cause of action that arises in debtor/creditor relations, particularly with reference to insolvent debtors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent_conveyance

It just makes matters more complicated but will, in the long run, not be an obstacle to creditors, including judgment creditors. The bigger issue is who will be all the creditor claimants over and above these young women.

:cheers:

 

[mariomike]

"Fraudulent Conveyance" is a long-standing principle of the common law which also applies in the United States.

We saw that here in Canada with a serial killer.

 

[OldSolduer]

I’ve heard to two COs on duty at the time were arrested and charged. Good.
I also think whatever department in charge of that jail needs to be investigated.

 

[tomahawk6]

The Bureau of Prisons ran that facility.Both guards turned down plea deals subsequent to their arrest. AG Barr didn't see anything untoward but I hope experts look at the video to see if there were gaps or maybe if the tape was stopped and then started. Both guards were asleep for maybe up to 8 hours. Their supervisor must also have been asleep. I don't doubt that Epstein was killed. The only good to come of this was Randy Andy was finally outed.

 

[mariomike]

I don't doubt that Epstein was killed.

Medical examiner rules Epstein death a suicide by hanging
https://apnews.com/a947e0d85d31496eb5bd9ff4994c9718
NEW YORK (AP) — New York City’s medical examiner ruled Jeffrey Epstein’s death a suicide Friday, confirming after nearly a week of speculation that the financier faced with sex trafficking charges hanged himself in his jail cell.

 

[tomahawk6]

Renown pathologist Dr Baden says murder.He disputes the hanging theory as  impractical.

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/famed-forensic-pathologist-evidence-points-homicide-rather-suicide-epstein-case

 

[mariomike]

Renown pathologist Dr Baden says murder.

Dr. Baden was hired by the late Mr. Epstein's brother.

He discussed Epstein on the "FOX and Friend's" show, where is a contributor,
https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide

The New York Times

The findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city’s chief medical examiner, ...

Dr. Baden served briefly as New York City’s medical examiner. He was provisionally appointed to the position in 1978 and dismissed just a year later, by Mayor Edward I. Koch.

In 1979, the city health commissioner wrote a letter to Mr. Koch — who was the mayor at the time — saying that Dr. Baden had “exhibited poor judgment in many instances,” including when he said that it appeared former Governor Nelson Rockefeller “had died during sexual intercourse.” He denied saying the remark.

In 1995, when O.J. Simpson was on trial for the murders of his former wife and her companion, Dr. Baden testified that evidence pointed to Mr. Simpson’s innocence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html

NBC

2014

Who is Dr. Michael Baden?

In 2007, Baden was again in the news for questionable conduct, this time as he took the stand in the Phil Spector murder trial. He had a fresh theory of how Spector's alleged victim had died, one that provided room for the defense to explain some blood on Spector’s jacket. During cross examination, the prosecutor asked Baden if he had any conflict of interest in this case.

“None that I can think of,” he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. Moments later it was revealed his wife was one of Spector’s main attorneys.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/who-dr-michael-baden-coroner-examined-michael-brown-n183516

"Why You Might Not Want to Believe Michael Baden, Celebrity Pathologist, on Epstein’s Death"
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/why-to-be-skeptical-of-michael-baden-on-epsteins-death.html

Feds Fight Back as Epstein Death Conspiracy Theories Swirl
The Associated Press
Nov. 23, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/11/23/business/bc-us-jeffrey-epstein-conspiracy-theories.html
NEW YORK — At another time in history, the indictment of two jail guards responsible for monitoring Jeffrey Epstein the night he killed himself might have served as an emphatic rebuttal to suspicions that the wealthy sex offender was actually murdered.

Not in 2019.

Conspiracy theories continued to flourish, even after prosecutors took pains to point out the ample evidence backing a medical examiner’s determination that Epstein hanged himself.

Video surveillance confirmed, they said in a news release and an indictment, that nobody had entered the area where Epstein was locked in his cell.

The locked door to the unit, they said, could only be opened remotely by an officer in the jail’s control center, plus there was a second locked door to which only correctional officers assigned to the high-security housing unit had the key. Epstein had no roommate, they said, and had died alone.

No matter. Social media buzzed with “Epstein didn’t kill himself” memes, fueled by the financier’s past associations with Britain’s Prince Andrew and U.S. presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by Epstein’s family to observe his autopsy, also remains incredulous, saying he wanted to hear from the guards before deciding whether it was suicide or homicide.

Eric Oliver, a University of Chicago professor who studies conspiracy theories, said no amount of evidence presented by government authorities is likely to change some people’s minds.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think the more likely possibility than Mr Epstein having been murdered is that he was "encouraged" to commit suicide and then given the room to do so.

If even half of what is alleged against him was true, he made some very, very powerful enemies. I doubt that he would have lasted a week in a general prison population.

 

[mariomike]

I think the more likely possibility than Mr Epstein having been murdered is that he was "encouraged" to commit suicide

Like the encouragement given to Frankie Five Angels?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CWCTExyfQs

and then given the room to do so.

I guess the question for investigators is, was the lack of patrols by the guards on that unit, that night, typical for other nights?

I doubt that he would have lasted a week in a general prison population.

I doubt he would be serving his time in "gen pop".