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Would love that. Sadly the PHEV diesel-electric version of my SUV isn’t available in North America.
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Literally every large fleet in the world. Most postal services in Europe are already electric. Every logistics company from Amazon to UPS has orders in go electric. Amazon put an order for 100 000 Rivian delivery vehicles specifically because they got exclusivity from Rivian through to the end of the decade. They will use this to cut their last mile costs and hit rivals who haven't electrified as fast. This is why you see companies like Walmart buying what they can too. From electric Sprinter vans to Tesla semis. They know Amazon is coming for them.
All that matters is the battery price curve.
At $100/kWh, you have price parity on a 200 mile range car. For North Americans with bigger vehicles and higher range requirements (say 300 miles) maybe that's $70-80/kWh. The Chinese are at $94 while the rest of the world is at $115. There's going to be ups and down like you say. It won't be a straight line. But the rough trend for last two decades has been about 6-8% improvement in battery prices per year. That would put global parity about 2-3 years out. And North American parity about 7 years out. I would think by 2030 when ICEV sales have basically tanked everywhere outside North America, this forum will come around. I'll enjoy chirping from the cheap seats till then.
You should revisit that deal, actual orders and actual delivery times were on the low side. The exclusivity deal was ended.
Again without heavy subsidies electric vehicles are not holding their own even in Europe. But when gasoline is $2.59/liter cdn. People will try what ever they can to cut costs.All that matters is the battery price curve.
At $100/kWh, you have price parity on a 200 mile range car. For North Americans with bigger vehicles and higher range requirements (say 300 miles) maybe that's $70-80/kWh. The Chinese are at $94 while the rest of the world is at $115. There's going to be ups and down like you say. It won't be a straight line. But the rough trend for last two decades has been about 6-8% improvement in battery prices per year. That would put global parity about 2-3 years out. And North American parity about 7 years out. I would think by 2030 when ICEV sales have basically tanked everywhere outside North America, this forum will come around. I'll enjoy chirping from the cheap seats till then.
Most companies have jumped on the green band wagon. Mainly they are getting enormous kickbacks for doing so. Not to mention the support of the "green" customer.
You have to remember for the most part Europe has smaller travelling distances then we see here. Range is not as much of a concern.
Don't get me wrong I think electric vehicles have a place in our transportation network. I don't want to be paying for it through tax payer money. Until the true price both dollar value and environmental foot print is added to the cost of operating electric cars, then people will continue thinking they are the best thing.
The exclusivity just ended to allow Rivian more sales. But Amazon is still invested in Rivian and they have not changed their order. This is from 27 November 2024:
Amazon now has over 13,500 custom electric vans delivering to customers across the U.S.
Everything you need to know about how Amazon is decarbonizing its delivery fleet in partnership with Rivian.
www.aboutamazon.com
And Amazon is actually late to the party. Deutsche Post (DHL in Canada) has owned an EV manufacturing company that provides their electric delivery vehicles for over a decade:
StreetScooter - Wikipedia
They've been doing this since before the talking heads you follow told you to get your pitch fork and join the culture war on batteries.
If a logistic fleet is not mostly electrified for last mile delivery by 2035, they'll be toast. Even if oil is $50/bbl. They all know that. And they are all racing there and locking down suppliers.
Closer to home, if you haven't seen one of these, you will soon:
You can always put a sign on your door telling them you won't take any packages from an EV delivery truck. I'm sure the drivers will appreciate one less drop.
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I'm bitter to the point of anger that the PHEV Ranger isn't being released in North America. Perfect vehicle for me and my rural life and 40km round trip daily commute.Would love that. Sadly the PHEV diesel-electric version of my SUV isn’t available in North America.
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For all the talk about getting electrified, lack of PHEV choices in Canada/America is a significant factor in why EV take up isn’t higher. If I had had a PHEV option that fit my needs, I would have been in there almost a decade ago.
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Preach.
PHEV's make a huge amount of sense- but for the absolutists they're a half measure.
Same thing with heat pumps. Make a lot of sense... as a replacement for your AC unit and shoulder season supplement to a propane/NG furnace, not as a replacement for the furnace.
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Binary solutions brief well, but then life happens. Options/multi-capability provides resilience when things don’t work out as advertised.
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Oh well, it wasn't very nice while it lasted 
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i think this is back to the age old problem. Electric vehicles can handle 90% of most peoples driving or 90% of the personal transportation needs as of now. What to do about the other 10%. Heat Pumps are the same close to a 100% solution for 90% of the population. If you dont fit in those populations its a different story.
Rivian is having a hard time with meeting their current commitments. Amazon let them out of their contract to try and find new customers and clients to make more money. Amazon is a 15%shareholder and lost nine hundred million dollars on their investment.
No culture war and no talking heads here. Thanks for the insults they add to the Discussion and make me realize the passion and emotions one argues with using insults turns what I thought was a Discussion into an ideologists way to force their theirs thoughts on others.Amazon now has over 13,500 custom electric vans delivering to customers across the U.S.
Everything you need to know about how Amazon is decarbonizing its delivery fleet in partnership with Rivian.
And Amazon is actually late to the party. Deutsche Post (DHL in Canada) has owned an EV manufacturing company that provides their electric delivery vehicles for over a decade:
StreetScooter - Wikipedia
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They've been doing this since before the talking heads you follow told you to get your pitch fork and join the culture war on batteries.
Discussion,ne reason to throw insults around.
Why are they toast?
Funny you say that, when the electric delivery van ran out of power dude with a generator went and charged him up.Closer to home, if you haven't seen one of these, you will soon:
You can always put a sign on your door telling them you won't take any packages from an EV delivery truck. I'm sure the drivers will appreciate one less drop.
You argue to the extreme and make threats,insults and negative comments towards others. Which makes people want to argue not discuss with you.
Smarten up.
DHL is looking at 60-65% of their fleet to be electrified by 2030.
I have to ask you, in order for every household to replace their ICE with electric vehicles.
1 How much of a direct power demand will be required to charge electric vehicles?
2 Can we realistically provide the power demand in a reasonable time frame?
3. How much infrastructure will be required, what is the cost of doing such?
4 can we upgrade infrastructure in a reasonable time frame?
5 What is our current electricity consumption for our grids?
6 What is our maximum electricity output from our current grids?
7. What is the maximum output from our grids?
8 What are the net output from our grids?
Let's get a real discussion going, or we can just start RAISING OUR VOICES and throwing insults around......
What you call an electric car stopped on the side of a road? Dead
Or how about
95% of the EVs sold in America are still on the road today. The rest were able to be driven home.
Cheers, if your open for a Discussion with out calling people "heads" then cool otherwise take a hike climb up your self absorb jt,js trees.
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Here’s an interesting hybrid off road rig to potentially compete with Polaris:
fering.co.uk
Fering - Unmatched Capability, Unparalleled Reach
The world’s longest range, zero-carbon, off-road, off-grid, electric utility vehicle.
Can't beat the cost savings. And whoever electrifies first can use the savings to undercut competitors.
And that number will be substantially higher by 2035 (the year I originally stated). They are basically replacing vehicles 1:1 as they retire them. Obviously it's going to take a decade.
As I've consistently said before, nobody needs to answer these questions on here. Nor are most of the folks here even capable of competently discussing the issue. I have a graduate certificate in the topic, that I did on side, during a sponsored PG at an American service academy. And even I'm not going to pretend to answer with 100% certainty. I am sure I'm the only one here who has actually spent time studying the topic, listening to the scientists and technologists developing the tech and getting the guest lectures from those utility CEOs to see how they view these topics. And if they aren't worried about the types of questions you posted, I don't see why I should be. As pointed out before, it takes 20+ years for a car fleet to roll over. The demand draw is on average about the same as a home AC unit. Utilities have expanded to meet demand before. And they'll do it again.
I'm sure you're particularly interested in sensible discussion. I mean the circle jerk here really speaks to intellectual openness.
It's alright. Let's just watch the market. And we'll see who's right in 5 years and 10 years.
If you want something thought provoking watch this:
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Yes. That's how technology works. It took that long to go from horse to car. It took that long to go from back and white to colour TVs. Took that long from the first PCs for every home to get one. We even know the rates at which technologies are adopted. They are logistic functions (S-curves):
Your mental gymnastics don’t see HEV/FCEV ‘getting close’ in 2045?
It took decades of serious investment to get to where BEVs are today. When Tesla built their first plant in Nevada, many thought Elon was a madman. That first Tesla plant doubled global battery production in one shot. Who is making this type of investment in the HEV/FCEV space so that these cars will be cheaper in 2045?
Given that there's no such thing as an R2T....
Who knows…you may actually have an EV by then?
Well yes. If the one I'm holding out for reaches market.
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My neighbor actually was briefed by one of the product managers on the R2T at the Rivian delivery centre in Vaughan when he picked up his R1T. The most active denial you could have, is that the R2T isn’t in production yet. I suppose Rivian could also call it something else, but it is coming.
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I guess they’re not going to use the T…R2 it is.
rivian.com
Rivian - R2
Explore our newest electric vehicle — a 5-seat SUV designed for the adventurous.
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I guess they’re not going to use the T…R2 it is.
Rivian - R2
Explore our newest electric vehicle — a 5-seat SUV designed for the adventurous.
Fans have asked for an R2T. It would be the size of a Ford Maverick. The company has never committed to it. They have said the R3 will follow the R2.
T = truck
S = SUV
X = Offroad
I'm waiting for the R3X which was demoed.
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