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Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

When you look at EVs, solar and wind power, this is probably a pretty big looming problem, especially with a lot of the critical metals involved in their production; especially if you've seen how massive the wind turbine blades are.

In a related note, the NBCC code is being updated to include looking at 'low carbon alternatives' for building material, which generally means alternatives to concrete. May not be the best idea in some areas with higher wildfire risks, but is generally challenging for all kinds of reasons when you look at why we use concrete for building anyway.

These busted solar panels are an early example of a looming problem — and an opportunity​

More renewable energy key to emissions targets but will create new waste stream, says think-tank​


Paula Duhatschek · CBC News · Posted: Oct 16, 2024 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 25 minutes ago
A man in a blue polo shirt stands inside an industrial warehouse filled with damaged solar panels.

Dan Carocci, president of Sunset Renewable Asset Management, stands amid the stacks of damaged solar panels he's stockpiled in Brooks, Alta. (Paula Duhatschek/CBC)

In a sprawling industrial building in Brooks, Alta., about two hours east of Calgary, is a former pheasant hatchery that's now stacked waist-high with thousands of dusty, damaged solar panels.

Dan Carrocci, who's worked in renewable energy construction for more than a decade, has long been troubled by the lack of end-of-life options for this infrastructure and is stockpiling the old panels in hopes of developing a commercially viable means of recycling them.

He's now built up a stash of nearly 10,000 panels that have been damaged during manufacturing, pummelled by hail or banged up during installation.

"I call it the 'big green elephant' of renewable energy — is the waste material," said Carrocci, president of Sunset Renewable Asset Management.

Installation of solar and wind power is on the rise, but according to a 2021 report from the University of Ottawa think-tank the Smart Prosperity Institute, decommissioned solar panels and wind turbine blades often end up sitting in storage or being sent to landfill.

Much of the wind and solar infrastructure in this country is fairly new, but by 2050 the Smart Prosperity Institute said conservative estimates suggest Canada could see a cumulative 365,000 to 470,000 tonnes of expired solar panel waste and 4.5 million tonnes of wind turbine waste, though the institute said the total will be much higher if the country plans to hit its net-zero targets.

"Just producing that much waste, landfilling it going forward, it's not really a sustainable solution," said Geoff McCarney, the institute's senior research director.

While it's critical to keep ramping up use of renewables, he said, there's concern "we're creating other environmental problems while trying to address the climate problem."

A man wearing a suit and glasses stands outside an office building in Calgary, Alta.

Evan Wilson, a vice-president with the Canadian Renewable Energy Association, says there's opportunity for businesses that are developing solutions for decommissioned wind turbine blades and solar panels. (Paula Duhatschek/CBC)
Some businesses are looking at this looming source of waste with dollar signs in their eyes, and experts say there could be a big opportunity for companies working now to develop systems to dismantle and recycle panels and turbines at the end of their lifespan.

"I think companies that are thinking about recycling now … are really going to be in boom times in 20 years or so," said Evan Wilson, a vice-president with the Canadian Renewable Energy Association (CanREA).

Recyclable – but not getting recycled

Both solar panels and wind turbines are between 85 and 90 per cent recyclable, according to CanREA, but that doesn't mean it's an easy process.

"They're recyclable for sure, or at least most of the materials are recyclable," said Warren Mabee, director of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Policy at Queen's University. "But it's challenging and it might cost more than you get back in the value of the material that you're recycling."

The Alberta Recycling Management Authority got an early taste at how tricky these materials can be when, in 2020, it started accepting solar panels as electronics waste through a pilot project.

"We soon realized it's a very difficult material to recycle," said Ed Gugenheimer, the authority's CEO.

During the pilot, they refurbished as many panels as possible. Those that couldn't be reused were ultimately set aside until they could send a truckload down to the United States, where facilities were already in place to manage the material.

"I think shipping to the U.S. is probably not an optimal solution," said Gugenheimer, who said the authority is now working with the province on a more "homegrown" system.

A sign that says pheasant rearing complex.

The Sunset Renewables centre is on the site of a former pheasant hatchery. (Paula Duhatschek/CBC)
Carocci, with Sunset Renewables, is hoping to fill part of that gap. His company said it's developed a proprietary mobile deconstruction unit to strip the panels for parts, which can then be sent for recycling.

"Some of the metals can go directly to industrial metal recycling, like we don't want to reinvent the wheel there," said Carrocci.

"Some of the materials like the plastics and the glass and even the silicon, we feel that we can develop new products of value," like concrete or asphalt, he said.

WATCH | Why the Netherlands has four times more solar capacity than Canada:


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What the Netherlands can teach Canada about solar power​


3 months ago
Duration 4:46
Although it has half the population, the Netherlands has four times more solar capacity than Canada, and that’s not by accident. CBC’s international climate correspondent Susan Ormiston explains how the Dutch became solar superstars and what Canadians could learn.
As for wind turbines, the major barrier to recycling is the blades. These are sometimes repurposed — say, as park benches — but they're made of composite material that can be difficult to break down and recycle.

"It's a very challenging process because of the robust nature of the composites," said Osayuki Osazuwa, CEO of the Jeosal Materials Research Corporation in Kingston, Ont.

This is not just a problem with wind turbines, but with boat hulls, he said, about 43,000 of which reach the end of their lifespan every year.

"It's becoming a burden for the environment and there's a need to find solutions," said Osazuwa, whose company is working to recycle fibreglass and turn it into fibre-reinforced concrete.

wind turbines

The blades on wind turbines, like these, are more difficult to recycle than solar panels, say experts. The blades are made of composite metal, which can be difficult to break down. (Sandra Fillion/Radio-Canada)
Montreal-based FibeCycle is also trying to tackle the problem of what to do with old wind turbines.

The company says it's developed a method of breaking down the composite material in the blades to make new fibre-reinforced polymers, which can be used in a range of applications from construction to 3D printing.

The idea, said executive director Andrew Csinger, is that by using recovered glass fibres instead of new glass fibres to make this material, they can reduce its environmental impact.

"We can do car parts, we can do iPhone cases, we can do furniture, we can do construction materials, there's all kinds of applications," said Csinger, who founded the business while an entrepreneur-in-residence at McGill University.

"It's a huge market."

Provinces consider solutions

A stack of damaged solar panels is pictured at the Sunset Renewables site in Brooks.

Carocci believes roughly five per cent of solar panels in Alberta are damaged ahead of their full lifespan due to manufacturer defects, improper handling, damage during transportation or catastrophic weather. (Paula Duhatschek/CBC)
Beyond the plans of individual businesses, McCarney, with the Smart Prosperity Institute, said there are questions that need to be answered to come up with a coherent recycling system:

  • How do we build reverse supply chains to get old materials out of rural and remote communities?
  • Should municipalities ultimately shoulder the responsibility for disposal, or should there be an upfront fee for producers and distributors?
These questions are particularly important, he said, as both solar panels and turbines can contain critical minerals that shouldn't go to waste.

"If we're not developing plans to actively recover, reuse, repurpose those materials, we're foregoing a potential source for them, and we're amplifying the material supply challenges we're going to have," McCarney said.

Some provinces have started to think about solutions. B.C. is in the process of adding solar panels to its recycling regulation, and Alberta is building on its previous e-waste pilot program to develop a permanent system of recycling solar panels as well as wind turbines.

On the other end of the spectrum, Warren Mabee, with Queen's University, said he also hopes to see more companies consider what will happen at the end of a product's lifespan when they design it in the first place.

"The more we can design for recyclability upfront, the easier it will be for those people 25 years down the road who have to have this conversation and try to figure out what to do with the stuff," he said.

 
So when we look at facts vs fiction on climate change, I want to present a series of scientist with well thought out and logical arguments. Lose the emotions, deal in facts

 
My nominee for your council, @ArmyRick , is Bjorn Lomborg.

abandon unrealistically expensive carbon cuts for cheap investments in green energy research and development. American ingenuity could hasten the day the world finds a clean energy source that is genuinely cheaper than current fossil fuels—whether that be much cheaper solar and wind energy with massive storage, fourth generation nuclear, or another technology altogether. Countries would then voluntarily transition to green energy because it is cheaper. Not only would American voters get on board, but so would this century’s biggest emitters, India, China and Africa.

 
Sitrep...

Canada must speed up progress to hit its 2030 emissions target: report​


Oil and gas production hikes and rebounding air travel put a drag on Canada’s climate progress last year, but a new report says the country was still able to make a modest cut to its planet-warming emissions.
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New estimates published by a leading climate policy institute show Canada cut emissions by about one per cent last year compared to 2022, or eight per cent since 2005.

But the Canadian Climate Institute says the country will need to speed up that progress if it hopes to hit its 2030 target to cut emissions by 40 to 45 per cent compared to 2005 levels.

The report says the electricity sector remains a standout, cutting emissions by 6.2 per cent year-over-year, or 38 per cent since 2005, boosted by policies such as industrial carbon pricing and coal phaseouts.


 
Sitrep...

Canada must speed up progress to hit its 2030 emissions target: report​


Oil and gas production hikes and rebounding air travel put a drag on Canada’s climate progress last year, but a new report says the country was still able to make a modest cut to its planet-warming emissions.
70c8fc80

New estimates published by a leading climate policy institute show Canada cut emissions by about one per cent last year compared to 2022, or eight per cent since 2005.

But the Canadian Climate Institute says the country will need to speed up that progress if it hopes to hit its 2030 target to cut emissions by 40 to 45 per cent compared to 2005 levels.

The report says the electricity sector remains a standout, cutting emissions by 6.2 per cent year-over-year, or 38 per cent since 2005, boosted by policies such as industrial carbon pricing and coal phaseouts.



If only we mattered.

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I was being facetious. Wikipedia treads lightly on his transgression, and we seem to have a different standard of propriety for convicts in our own government compared to our standard for what we would like the US to allow in theirs.
 
I was being facetious. Wikipedia treads lightly on his transgression, and we seem to have a different standard of propriety for convicts in our own government compared to our standard for what we would like the US to allow in theirs.
I should've caught that when you used Wikipedia as a source.😉🤣
 
ay caramba...


Spain’s ‘monster’ floods expose Europe’s unpreparedness for climate change​

National government blamed local authorities after at least 92 people died as heavy rainfall swept through homes, shops and roadways.


The warnings arrived after the waters had already begun to rise.

Spain’s deadliest floods in decades are another harrowing reminder that Europe is unprepared for the consequences of a superheated atmosphere, said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday.

“This is the dramatic reality of climate change. And we must prepare to deal with it,” she said.

But the intensity of the rainfall that hit areas around Spain's third-largest city, Valencia — in some places, roughly a year’s worth of rain in a single day — exposed the country's unreadiness and led the Socialist-led national government to slam the center-right regional authorities for failing to pass on early warnings to people in danger.

Valencia’s regional government, which is responsible for coordinating emergency services in the affected areas, admitted that it had only sent out a text message warning residents of the impending catastrophe at 8:12 PM, eight hours after the first floods were reported, and 10 hours after Spain’s National State Meteorological Agency (AEMET) issued an alert highlighting “extreme danger” across the Valencia region.

By the time the Valencian authorities acted "the situation had already escalated significantly," said an official from the national Ministry for the Ecological Transition.

 
ay caramba...


Spain’s ‘monster’ floods expose Europe’s unpreparedness for climate change​

National government blamed local authorities after at least 92 people died as heavy rainfall swept through homes, shops and roadways.


The warnings arrived after the waters had already begun to rise.

Spain’s deadliest floods in decades are another harrowing reminder that Europe is unprepared for the consequences of a superheated atmosphere, said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday.

“This is the dramatic reality of climate change. And we must prepare to deal with it,” she said.

But the intensity of the rainfall that hit areas around Spain's third-largest city, Valencia — in some places, roughly a year’s worth of rain in a single day — exposed the country's unreadiness and led the Socialist-led national government to slam the center-right regional authorities for failing to pass on early warnings to people in danger.

Valencia’s regional government, which is responsible for coordinating emergency services in the affected areas, admitted that it had only sent out a text message warning residents of the impending catastrophe at 8:12 PM, eight hours after the first floods were reported, and 10 hours after Spain’s National State Meteorological Agency (AEMET) issued an alert highlighting “extreme danger” across the Valencia region.

By the time the Valencian authorities acted "the situation had already escalated significantly," said an official from the national Ministry for the Ecological Transition.


…hidden towards the bottom of the article…

“Climate change is decisive in the magnitude of this natural disaster,” geologist Joan Escuer said on Spanish radio. “But its consequences wouldn't have been as great if we hadn't built infrastructure and allowed people to settle in high-risk places.”

And we see blame on climate change here in Canada yet let people continually rebuild in flood damaged areas and feign surprise the next time the flooded areas are…flooded. (Gatineau, Fraser Valley, etc.)
 
…hidden towards the bottom of the article…



And we see blame on climate change here in Canada yet let people continually rebuild in flood damaged areas and feign surprise the next time the flooded areas are…flooded. (Gatineau, Fraser Valley, etc.)

<cough> High River, Alberta <cough>
 
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