Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Brad Sallows]

If the ER delays a crew, send them a bill for the entire cost of each off-load delay.

I hadn't envisioned setting parts of the system against each other as a solution...

 

[mariomike]

I hadn't envisioned setting parts of the system against each other as a solution...

They can sort it out at the next inquest...

Then come the lawsuits...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/family-sues-government-for-son-s-asthma-death-1.256849

Family sues government for son's asthma death​

Fluelling, 18, was having a severe asthma attack in January, 2000 when his ambulance was redirected from the closest hospital, Scarborough Grace Hospital, and sent to Markham-Stouffville Hospital, more than twice the distance away.
Scarborough Grace was on critical care bypass and not accepting new patients the night of Fluelling's attack.
On route to Markham, the teenager suffered respiratory failure and brain damage. He died later in hospital.
"Had he immediately gotten to that hospital [Scarborough Grace], his chances of survival would have gone up extraordinarily," Oakley said.
"Critical care bypass means you are turning away someone who is critically ill. The longer anyone like that has to wait for care, the less likely they are going to survive it. It's as simple as that," said the lawyer.

The family has already filed civil action against Toronto Paramedic Services and the Scarborough Grace Hospital in a separate lawsuit.

 

[Spencer100]

Well it just wouldn't be a meeting of at least two premiers without a bash session demanding more federal money for provincial programs. The fact that Ontario's premier recently jettisoned about $1Bn in vehicle registration revenue apparently has nothing to do with it. There is also an argument that Ottawa permanently transferred 'tax points' to provinces to allow them to increase revenue (on that I'll have to take the analysts word for it - it's beyond me).

There was a story a couple of days ago about some poor dude in Wiarton lying on a gurney for four days waiting for a bed at London for orthopedic surgery. At least they didn't close the ER on him and leave him it dark.

He jumped the gun on the vehicle registration. He knows what's coming. He just did it early. Every car built and sold today has the ability to track and upload for pay per mile. Its a software update. He just did too early. If the e-vehicle is the future and no gas taxes this must be implemented. This is not tinfoil hat stuff. I go to auto conferences and this talk about. So yes ontario gave up some revenue over the very short term.

 

[lenaitch]

He jumped the gun on the vehicle registration. He knows what's coming. He just did it early. Every car built and sold today has the ability to track and upload for pay per mile. Its a software update. He just did too early. If the e-vehicle is the future and no gas taxes this must be implemented. This is not tinfoil hat stuff. I go to auto conferences and this talk about. So yes ontario gave up some revenue over the very short term.

Perhaps serendipitously; otherwise, methinks you credit our Premier (or any politician or advisor for that matter) with too much strategic thinking.

I'm not even sure this has been discussed at the policy level, perhaps it has, but I can assure you that it will involve much more than a mere software update. Enabling legislation, international standards and agreements, privacy considerations and exemption handling are only some of the issues that will have to be addressed by governments, not the industry.

Roughly a billion dollars is a lot of "some revenue" when it could have been done the day before any change-over, and "the very short term" is a matter of some debate.

 

[CBH99]

Oh god.... you went there

Or this awesome headline:

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to ‘jeopardize’ mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts​

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to 'jeopardize' mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts - Halifax Examiner

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki “made a promise” to Public Safety Minister Bill Blair and the Prime Minister’s Office to leverage the mass murders of April 18/19, 2020 to get a gun control law passed. A week after the murders, Lucki pressured RCMP in Nova Scotia to release details of the weapons...

www.halifaxexaminer.ca

The first is just sheer corruption at the ultimate white collar level that has come to define Trudeau, among many other unflattering consistencies.

In my imaginary world, if a few guys walked into the PM’s office & asked him to change some laws ‘so they were no longer violating them during the course of their day to day dealings’ - those people wouldn’t have walked out of the PM’s office with it handcuffs on.

Just the fact that they walked in and asked at all just goes to show how us how emboldened they felt.

That would’ve been a great opportunity to show the Canadian public, and countries around the world, that we are a moral country that actually is open & transparent.

Que dumb dumb to miss the obvious opportunity, and do the exact opposite



As for the second…colour me, nor anybody else, surprised.

I haven’t heard a single person react with “That surprises me!”

Rather it’s been a consistent “…that doesn’t surprise me at all…”

 

[Good2Golf]

The day that a flagrant ethically-bereft PM and his Rolex-wearing BMW-driving socialist lackey can be held even somewhat accountable by some of the electorate can’t come soon enough.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The day that a flagrant ethically-bereft PM and his Rolex-wearing BMW-driving socialist lackey can be held even somewhat accountable by some of the electorate can’t come soon enough.

Jagmeet Singh makes me want to vomit every time he opens his mouth. Guy is completely out to lunch.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Jagmeet Singh makes me want to vomit every time he opens his mouth. Guy is completely out to lunch.

Really ? I like him, I just wish he wasn't running for the Liberal party minor league AA team.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Really ? I like him, I just wish he wasn't running for the Liberal party minor league AA team.

Three reasons:

1. He pretends to represent the interests of working class people but is really a Champagne Socialist on steroids.

2. He has willingly allowed and supported the current Government to get away with numerous ethical violations.

"It’s unprecedented that the Ethics Commissioner has found two contraventions...." but I'm going to support the current Government anyways.

3. He has demonstrated multiple times that he is completely out of his depth on many issues, which is why he is running the minor league team.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Three reasons:

1. He pretends to represent the interests of working class people but is really a Champagne Socialist on steroids.

2. He has willingly allowed and supported the current Government to get away with numerous ethical violations.

"It’s unprecedented that the Ethics Commissioner has found two contraventions...." but I'm going to support the current Government anyways.

3. He has demonstrated multiple times that he is completely out of his depth on many issues, which is why he is running the minor league team.

Always making me look at something from another position. Merci beaucoup mon ami!

 

[OldSolduer]

Three reasons:

1. He pretends to represent the interests of working class people but is really a Champagne Socialist on steroids.

2. He has willingly allowed and supported the current Government to get away with numerous ethical violations.

"It’s unprecedented that the Ethics Commissioner has found two contraventions...." but I'm going to support the current Government anyways.

3. He has demonstrated multiple times that he is completely out of his depth on many issues, which is why he is running the minor league team.

You are spot on. Most of these "representatives" of "the People" are wealthy and priveleged.

 

[Eaglelord17]

3. He has demonstrated multiple times that he is completely out of his depth on many issues, which is why he is running the minor league team.

I wouldn't say any current political party leader in Canada would pass this point.

To give Singh credit he is the only political leader at the moment in Canada (at least as of the last election) who could actually debate things properly without it being some sort of shouting match and having the decorum to act proper for those events. And even though I am not a NDP fan, I would say out of the current line up of party leaders, he is the closest to acting how a PM should act.

*meaning he still isn't a good choice, just a slightly better option on the whole than the other alternatives. All of them are bad options.

 

[brihard]

On the subject of the convoy, Pat King just made bail on very strict conditions, and $25,000 deposited by multiple sureties.

I’m not 100% sure, but I believe all of the main organizers/leadership figures from Ottawa have now made at least initial bail, though one is obviously back in custody.

 

[TacticalTea]

I wouldn't say any current political party leader in Canada would pass this point.

To give Singh credit he is the only political leader at the moment in Canada (at least as of the last election) who could actually debate things properly without it being some sort of shouting match and having the decorum to act proper for those events. And even though I am not a NDP fan, I would say out of the current line up of party leaders, he is the closest to acting how a PM should act.

*meaning he still isn't a good choice, just a slightly better option on the whole than the other alternatives. All of them are bad options.

I thought the Bloc guy was a decent man and a reasonable moderate!

 

[Navy_Pete]

I thought the Bloc guy was a decent man and a reasonable moderate!

A few years ago at a previous debate, it was a coin toss between the BQ lead, Singh and May on who was the most reasonable, while Trudeau and Scheer took turns yelling at each other.

Figure it's a bad sign when the BQ is making a valid policy point against the incumbent PM and the official opposition leader.

My favourite line from that debate came from Singh though; he said something along the lines (to Trudeau and Scheer) that they were both taking turns saying how terrible the other person was, without arguing while they are the best choice.

Try to keep that in mind now when hearing from politicians to see what they are presenting as an alternative option.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Remember the 1950s? People in America, black people and white people, Jews, especially, knew that the laws in many cities and states were wrong. History proved them right. They also knew that those laws would reenforced, often brutally. History proved them right, again. They marched and protested anyway - some were killed by the authorities of their efforts. They marched and protested and broke the laws, knowing that they would pay a price. They were right.

Fast forward 65 years ... some people believe that their rights are being denied to them. Believing and knowing are very, very similar - a believer thinks (s)he knows the truth. The difference, it seems to me, is that many of today's believers don't think that the laws can or should be enforced. They know it is against the law to blockade city streets but they believe that they have a right to do that; they believe that the laws should not be enforced against them.

I believe that some actions that Trudeau government took, maybe a little too gleefully, did violate some of the rights of some people - how far that violation can be justified in a free and democratic society is a matter for debate. History will eventually decide. I know that some sensible, practical, useful laws were broken. I also know that, for a whole host of reasons about which history, yet again, will rule, those laws were not properly, consistently and fairly enforced.

I do not see the 2020 "truckers" in the 1950s civil rights protesters, do you?

 

[brihard]

In an update on the related blockade at the Coutts border crossing in Alberta, bail has been denied to the fourth and final of the accused still held in a conspiracy to murder RCMP at the protest. This was the one where numerous firearms, prohibited magazines, and body armour were found. They'll go to a joint trial next June.

Bail denied for 4th suspect charged with conspiracy to commit murder at Coutts border protest | Globalnews.ca

Queen's Bench Justice Johnna Kubik ruled in Lethbridge court on Monday that Jerry Morin, who is 40, must remain in custody until his trial.

globalnews.ca

 

[CBH99]

Jagmeet Singh makes me want to vomit every time he opens his mouth. Guy is completely out to lunch.

I’ll be honest, I’ve disconnected from following politics for around a year & a half or so now — and I had no idea how blissful it can be to be in the dark.

There is no getting around following the Prime Minister’s constant verbal diarrhoea. I feel the same way as you do

In an update on the related blockade at the Coutts border crossing in Alberta, bail has been denied to the fourth and final of the accused still held in a conspiracy to murder RCMP at the protest. This was the one where numerous firearms, prohibited magazines, and body armour were found. They'll go to a joint trial next June.

Bail denied for 4th suspect charged with conspiracy to commit murder at Coutts border protest | Globalnews.ca

Queen's Bench Justice Johnna Kubik ruled in Lethbridge court on Monday that Jerry Morin, who is 40, must remain in custody until his trial.

globalnews.ca

I'm glad these folks were remanded. I am all for people protesting, especially when they are protesting what very much appears to be exceptional government overreach. Conspiring to murder anybody, especially our police officers, should get you remanded for obvious reasons.

That being said... Having to wait almost a year for your trial to happen, when one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, causes me concern.

If the Crown has enough solid evidence that it is comfortable proceeding with the file, And asking that the individual be remanded - Why is the trial scheduled for almost a year from now?

Yes the Crown has an obligation to provide disclosure in a timely manner, and the accused needs time to retain legal counsel, etc.

But being stuck behind bars for almost a year when you haven't been convicted of the crime... In the bigger picture, it seems concerning?


( I am not arguing that the individuals do not pose a threat to society. Clearly if they have the firearms and other paraphernalia as stated, And their communications support the charges, etc.

My only concern stems from having people remanded for such a long period when they have not been convicted of a crime. The seriously can't schedule anything sooner than June?)

 

[FSTO]

I’ll be honest, I’ve disconnected from following politics for around a year & a half or so now — and I had no idea how blissful it can be to be in the dark.

There is no getting around following the Prime Minister’s constant verbal diarrhoea. I feel the same way as you do

I'm glad these folks were remanded. I am all for people protesting, especially when they are protesting what very much appears to be exceptional government overreach. Conspiring to murder anybody, especially our police officers, should get you remanded for obvious reasons.

That being said... Having to wait almost a year for your trial to happen, when one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, causes me concern.

If the Crown has enough solid evidence that it is comfortable proceeding with the file, And asking that the individual be remanded - Why is the trial scheduled for almost a year from now?

Yes the Crown has an obligation to provide disclosure in a timely manner, and the accused needs time to retain legal counsel, etc.

But being stuck behind bars for almost a year when you haven't been convicted of the crime... In the bigger picture, it seems concerning?


( I am not arguing that the individuals do not pose a threat to society. Clearly if they have the firearms and other paraphernalia as stated, And their communications support the charges, etc.

My only concern stems from having people remanded for such a long period when they have not been convicted of a crime. The seriously can't schedule anything sooner than June?)

Likely due to court and lawyer availability.

 

[Kat Stevens]

I’ll be honest, I’ve disconnected from following politics for around a year & a half or so now — and I had no idea how blissful it can be to be in the dark.

There is no getting around following the Prime Minister’s constant verbal diarrhoea. I feel the same way as you do

I'm glad these folks were remanded. I am all for people protesting, especially when they are protesting what very much appears to be exceptional government overreach. Conspiring to murder anybody, especially our police officers, should get you remanded for obvious reasons.

That being said... Having to wait almost a year for your trial to happen, when one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, causes me concern.

If the Crown has enough solid evidence that it is comfortable proceeding with the file, And asking that the individual be remanded - Why is the trial scheduled for almost a year from now?

Yes the Crown has an obligation to provide disclosure in a timely manner, and the accused needs time to retain legal counsel, etc.

But being stuck behind bars for almost a year when you haven't been convicted of the crime... In the bigger picture, it seems concerning?


( I am not arguing that the individuals do not pose a threat to society. Clearly if they have the firearms and other paraphernalia as stated, And their communications support the charges, etc.

My only concern stems from having people remanded for such a long period when they have not been convicted of a crime. The seriously can't schedule anything sooner than June?)

As an add on to this, if any are acquitted are they entitled to compensation for the dismantling of their lives? Not for a moment bringing their guilt or innocence into it, I have a peace officer daughter with an RCMP hubby. These muppets deserve everything coming to them.