Entering the CF and YOUR Money....

[apache2001]

Thanks CDN Aviator. I'm wrong regarding OCdt as a rank.

 

[Adamant]

Thanks CDN Aviator. I'm wrong regarding OCdt as a rank.

I was going to reply to your earlier comment until I saw CDN Aviator did, and I'm not trying to speak for him at all, and yes you are right in that OCdt is not technically a rank, it's an appointment.

That being said what I took his reply to mean was that GW said there are no DEO OCdts.  While this is true in the Pay World, it is not true real world.  During BOTC most candidates are OCdt's or NCdt's regardless of entry plan.  CFR and other notable exceptions sometimes have Lt or higher (When I was on SLT there was a surgeon doing BOTC with the cadidate rank of Maj there)

 

[apache2001]

Thanks All good Adamant. 

 

[Barts]

....OCdt is not technically a rank, it's an appointment...

Incorrect, according to the QR&O and National Defence Act

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Incorrect, according to the QR&O and National Defence Act

I think you missed the target with your links.  Try again please.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Different MOCs and other factors affect the rank/pay you have during BMOQ as a DEO.  I know of a Legal O who went thru the whole thing wearing Lt(N) rank and earned the pay the whole time.  Others were paid as DEO 2Lt, but wore the rank of OCdt until after grad parade, at which time they were commissioned Lt and received backpay to the end of their LWOP as DEO Lt IPC 5.

It can be very trade specific; aside from the Lt(N) Legal O, the only other person I knew of on one course in particular was a CFR type from the Inf who was a Lt.  Regardless, all had to pass the course to the same standard and none were foolish enough to "pull rank" on the Course Staff.

Your messages will contain all the applic info regarding pay, and DEO Officers have many variables that affect their pay.  Most received their Commission Scrolls at the Mega before being "transfered" to CFLS Det SJ, and were newly-minted 2Lts the day after grad from BMOQ.  Most realized that they had achieved a personal goal but...in the eyes of the CF, were untrained Junior Officers with many steps to go.

 

[apache2001]

Different MOCs and other factors affect the rank/pay you have during BMOQ as a DEO.  I know of a Legal O who went thru the whole thing wearing Lt(N) rank and earned the pay the whole time.  Others were paid as DEO 2Lt, but wore the rank of OCdt until after grad parade, at which time they were commissioned Lt and received backpay to the end of their LWOP as DEO Lt IPC 5.

It can be very trade specific; aside from the Lt(N) Legal O, the only other person I knew of on one course in particular was a CFR type from the Inf who was a Lt.  Regardless, all had to pass the course to the same standard and none were foolish enough to "pull rank" on the Course Staff.

Your messages will contain all the applic info regarding pay, and DEO Officers have many variables that affect their pay.  Most received their Commission Scrolls at the Mega before being "transfered" to CFLS Det SJ, and were newly-minted 2Lts the day after grad from BMOQ.  Most realized that they had achieved a personal goal but...in the eyes of the CF, were untrained Junior Officers with many steps to go.

Well said. 

 

[Celticgirl]

Different MOCs and other factors affect the rank/pay you have during BMOQ as a DEO.  I know of a Legal O who went thru the whole thing wearing Lt(N) rank and earned the pay the whole time.  Others were paid as DEO 2Lt, but wore the rank of OCdt until after grad parade, at which time they were commissioned Lt and received backpay to the end of their LWOP as DEO Lt IPC 5.

I was told today that after I was enrolled (this coming December), I would be a 2Lt. During BMOQ, I would "wear" the rank of OCdt. until graduation, but would still be a 2Lt. and would receive 2Lt. pay the whole time. Confusing? Oh yeah!   ^-^

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I was told today that after I was enrolled (this coming December), I would be a 2Lt. During BMOQ, I would "wear" the rank of OCdt. until graduation, but would still be a 2Lt. and would receive 2Lt. pay the whole time. Confusing? Oh yeah!   ^-^

Well, if *I* were you, I'd wait and see what your actual message says in Dec.  Thats the only time you'll really know for sure.  ;D

FWIW, if you are actually a 2Lt on enrolment, then you should be getting your commission scroll at the same time...which isn't likely to happen because you aren't BMOQ qualified.  You may get 2Lt pay because you are DEO but if you are wearing the rank of OCdt...then you're an OCdt.  But like I said..the message will say it all 

 

[derael]

The way it WAS last year on my offer was that you would be paid as OCdt. and then backpaid as a 2Lt. for time served once you received your commission. Same was true when I was to be promoted to Lt. after phase 4 where I would be back paid for that period of time as if I had been Lt. (this was a CEOTP, Infantry Officer offer)

This was my offer as it was explained to me by the recruiting office however this is over a year ago and as you know things change quickly! I'm not sure what yours will look like but your CFRC should be able to explain your offer to you... (once you receive it of course)

 

[Celticgirl]

The way it WAS last year on my offer was that you would be paid as OCdt. and then backpaid as a 2Lt. for time served once you received your commission. Same was true when I was to be promoted to Lt. after phase 4 where I would be back paid for that period of time as if I had been Lt. (this was a CEOTP, Infantry Officer offer)

This was my offer as it was explained to me by the recruiting office however this is over a year ago and as you know things change quickly! I'm not sure what yours will look like but your CFRC should be able to explain your offer to you... (once you receive it of course)

It has changed, apparently. The MCpl told me that is the way that it was, but that I would not receive 'back pay' - I'd be paid as a 2Lt. right from the beginning.

Edited to add: I did receive my offer.

Well, if *I* were you, I'd wait and see what your actual message says in Dec.  Thats the only time you'll really know for sure.  ;D

FWIW, if you are actually a 2Lt on enrolment, then you should be getting your commission scroll at the same time...which isn't likely to happen because you aren't BMOQ qualified.  You may get 2Lt pay because you are DEO but if you are wearing the rank of OCdt...then you're an OCdt.  But like I said..the message will say it all 

It really doesn't matter to me either way about the rank. I figure the only difference is in the pay, and I'm more than happy to receive 2Lt pay. "Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner." ;D


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[derael]

Good to hear; thats a much better way to receive your pay...in my opinion at least. 

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It has changed, apparently. The MCpl told me that is the way that it was, but that I would not receive 'back pay' - I'd be paid as a 2Lt. right from the beginning.

Edited to add: I did receive my offer.

It really doesn't matter to me either way about the rank. I figure the only difference is in the pay, and I'm more than happy to receive 2Lt pay. "Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner." ;D

Bingo.  I mentioned in this or another thread, I know of one course a Lt(N) Legal O went thru with Lt(N) rank and pay...he received the same....training  ;D as the rest of the lot!  He had considerable experience as a lawyer though, so that must have had some bearing on it. 

 

[Marshall]

Hello,

I've always wondered this but did not bother asking.
On the payroll sheets, there is BASIC - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 and so on..

I know that the numbers mean specialized pay correct? I am just wondering how someone acquires these pays instead of Basic, Is it your Trade? Your Location? Is there a site/page/document that has the information on this?

Thank you.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Basic, 1-4 are IPCs (Incentive Pay Catagories).  Think of them as annual increases in your pay for time in rank.

As for Specialist Pay, that is dependent on your MOC.  Some get it, some don't.

Your IPC goes up automatically.  If you get promoted to Cpl, and are in a Standard pay group MOC (say, Clerk) the first year in rank of Cpl you will be paid Cpl Basic (standard).  A year later, you will move up to Cpl IPC 1 (standard)...etc etc.

 

[PMedMoe]

Basic, 1-4 are IPCs (Incentive Pay Catagories).  Think of them as annual increases in your pay for time in rank.

Your IPC goes up automatically.  If you get promoted to Cpl, and are in a Standard pay group MOC (say, Clerk) the first year in rank of Cpl you will be paid Cpl Basic (standard).  A year later, you will move up to Cpl IPC 1 (standard)...etc etc.

At the MCpl rank, you will not start at Basic but at whatever IPC you were at as a Cpl.  E.g.  A Cpl IPC 2 promoted to MCpl will receive MCpl IPC 2 pay.  Really sucks when you get promoted at IPC 4.  :-\

 

[Celticgirl]

Basic, 1-4 are IPCs (Incentive Pay Catagories).  Think of them as annual increases in your pay for time in rank.

This is just for NCMs, though, right? Our navy clerk friend  ;D told me the IPCs for Officers go from 1-10.

 

[Michael OLeary]

This is just for NCMs, though, right? Our navy clerk friend  ;D told me the IPCs for Officers go from 1-10.

If you examine the pay rate tables, you will see how many incentive pay levels there are for each rank:

http://army.ca/forums/threads/16015.0.html

April 2008 Pay Rates (pdf)

 

[Celticgirl]

If you examine the pay rate tables, you will see how many incentive pay levels there are for each rank:

http://army.ca/forums/threads/16015.0.html

Thanks, Mike. It seems entry plan, rank, and in some cases, trade also play a role in how many IPCs there are. Looking at reg force officer pay charts (that one is a bit outdated, so I also checked the most recent one I have saved: http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/pdf/Reg_Force_Officers_08_e.pdf), there is a considerable variation.

 

[Marshall]

So just to clarify, sorry:

Most would start at Basic (im going officer) so I would get Basic pay as 2nd Lut, and depending on how many years I am as 2nd Lut my Pay increment rises? Then when the person is promoted they raise and return to basic? Also, what are the Pay Levels? (A,B,C,D,E). Sorry for the questions heh, just not very explained on the spreadsheet.

This is the page I was referring to by the way: http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/pdf/Reg_Force_Officers_08_e.pdf

If you examine the pay rate tables, you will see how many incentive pay levels there are for each rank:

http://army.ca/forums/threads/16015.0.html

April 2008 Pay Rates (pdf)

^ Although I did notice that the A,B,C,D,E stuff is removed in this one. :/