Domestic and Arctic Mobility Enhancement Project

[Fabius]

Arctic vehicle on track for RFP by 2026 | Canadian Army Today

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Although about a year old now, this article indicates that the requirement was now for upwards of 170 vehicles.

Other much more recent conversation’s I have had, have been focused on the fact that the as allocated budget was only going to fund around 40-60 of the preferred vehicle types. People were hoping that the defence policy update would increase the project’s funding.

Guess we will see.

 

[suffolkowner]

Ground MEDEVAC is one of the roles it will be filling, so I imagine it will need to have some get up and go.

I would hate to be a casualty hanging out in the back of something lumbering along at 18mph...

but is max speed attainable? without killing the patient?

I could go 35 kph with some of my equipment theoretically but in reality i would need the entire 400 to myself to do it

 

[PrairieFella]

We should have a bunch of variants of these bad boys. Ambulances, general purpose, supply, CPs, mortar carrier, heck, I'd investigate APCs à la Warthog.

 

[DBNSG]

So how many TAPV's should the Government donate to Ukraine, to replaced on a one for one basis by a new BV?
Along those lines the Government should also send the serviceable Navstars to Ukraine and replace the 1300 with MACKS.

 

[PrairieFella]

So how many TAPV's should the Government donate to Ukraine, to replaced on a one for one basis by a new BV?
Along those lines the Government should also send the serviceable Navstars to Ukraine and replace the 1300 with MACKS.

All of them lmao. Maybe they can finally get them running? My hatred for the TAPV is immense.

 

[GK .Dundas]

So how many TAPV's should the Government donate to Ukraine, to replaced on a one for one basis by a new BV?
Along those lines the Government should also send the serviceable Navstars to Ukraine and replace the 1300 with MACKS.

Couldn't we donate the TAPV's to the Russians instead ?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

but is max speed attainable? without killing the patient?

I could go 35 kph with some of my equipment theoretically but in reality i would need the entire 400 to myself to do it

Not a medic type, so I wouldn't know per se. I know we had an Amb version of the BV206 up in Resolute Bay that the Maint crews did everything imaginable to keep alive, short of knitting parts together.

The approved "contingency" if it died was a skidoo trailer to pack the casualty in and transport to a hardstand. That would definitely have caused issue to a casualty methinks.

Then again, can't let real life get in the way of a National Project timeline...

 

[Kirkhill]

So how many TAPV's should the Government donate to Ukraine, to replaced on a one for one basis by a new BV?
Along those lines the Government should also send the serviceable Navstars to Ukraine and replace the 1300 with MACKS.

Question - Is everybody happy with the Macks? Would they be considered as acceptable platforms for the Archers, HIMARS/AML and Skyrangers? Are they C130 mobile?

 

[suffolkowner]

Question - Is everybody happy with the Macks? Would they be considered as acceptable platforms for the Archers, HIMARS/AML and Skyrangers? Are they C130 mobile?

now you have to ask why the Macks over Zetros or Rheinmetall lol?

 

[suffolkowner]

Not a medic type, so I wouldn't know per se. I know we had an Amb version of the BV206 up in Resolute Bay that the Maint crews did everything imaginable to keep alive, short of knitting parts together.

The approved "contingency" if it died was a skidoo trailer to pack the casualty in and transport to a hardstand. That would definitely have caused issue to a casualty methinks.

Then again, can't let real life get in the way of a National Project timeline...

what pulled the skidoo trailer or is it a trailer for a skidoo?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

what pulled the skidoo trailer or is it a trailer for a skidoo?

A trailer that would be hitched to a skidoo and pulled. It was custom built and looked like it belonged in Mad Max: Fury Road

 

[lenaitch]

As far as I'm concerned every base should have a motor pool of these types of vehicles that can be signed out for winter training at any time. Further, the major population centres in the North should have a bunch of these staged and ready for arctic responses. We needs hundreds, not a hundred of these.

What would places like Halifax, Trenton or North Bay do with them? Maybe allocate them to the nearby reserves.

As for staging them in civilian communities, that would only work if the communities were given the training, budget and authority to maintain, exercise and look after them. Much like we found with PPE stockpiles at the beginning of Covid, buying kit and shoving it in a warehouse for a decade doesn't mean it will be serviceable. Perhaps they could be assigned to the Rangers, with the requisite support and funding.

Unless there is some agreement that a community could use military equipment in a pinch (sort of like Aid of the Civil Power, only just for equipment), civilian emergency services work with the money and equipment they can get allocated to them. The recent snowstorm in Muskoka highlighted their one off-road EMS vehicle; $90K with track kit and trailer. No doubt it will have designated drivers so there is training involved. Now my area EMS is looking for funding for one.



Back in the mid-1970s, a serious snowstorm hit southern Ontario stranding thousands of people (pre cel-phone, pre AWD vehicles, pre pretty much everything) After the fact, the OPP bought two Bombardier B12 snow buses and stationed them in London and Belleville. And there they sat, rusting into the ground. One eventually went to Moosonee for a while but both were eventually auctioned after about two decades - really low hours but in rough shape.

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873984492408541519

 

[Fabius]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873984492408541519

Given that draft distribution plan, there are some questions I assume that the Army knows the answers to…

The ARCG sub units becoming mechanized with between 7-15 vehicles, how will deployed maintenance work? Will the reserves now field a 1 and 2 line Maintenance capability with the ARCG? What is the actual ARCG vehicle ORBAT and personnel ORBAT now ?

IRU vehicles, since there is no actual IRU, it’s a rotating task of about 1-2 months between units, how will driver training work, is this an A vehicle or a B vehicle? Does it need a crew commander? More importantly how will vehicle maintenance work? Both in terms of tech proficiency on the vehicle as well as overall ownership of maintenance and VOR? How will the vehicles be transferred from unit to unit?

Given these are Domestic and not envisioned for combat purposes will the Army support the 3rd Battalions trying to own them all and deploy them on war fighting exercise in Alaska?

What is the CP variant? Is it like the Bison CP or the LAV CP? We need both. Is there more radios on order to outfit all 170?

What is the forward maintenance and recovery plan since there are no MRT, wrecker etc. types envisioned?

 

[Rifleman62]

Is there more radios on order to outfit all 170?

Probably no one thought of that.

 

[PrairieFella]

Given that draft distribution plan, there are some questions I assume that the Army knows the answers to…

The ARCG sub units becoming mechanized with between 7-15 vehicles, how will deployed maintenance work? Will the reserves now field a 1 and 2 line Maintenance capability with the ARCG? What is the actual ARCG vehicle ORBAT and personnel ORBAT now ?

IRU vehicles, since there is no actual IRU, it’s a rotating task of about 1-2 months between units, how will driver training work, is this an A vehicle or a B vehicle? Does it need a crew commander? More importantly how will vehicle maintenance work? Both in terms of tech proficiency on the vehicle as well as overall ownership of maintenance and VOR? How will the vehicles be transferred from unit to unit?

Given these are Domestic and not envisioned for combat purposes will the Army support the 3rd Battalions trying to own them all and deploy them on war fighting exercise in Alaska?

What is the CP variant? Is it like the Bison CP or the LAV CP? We need both. Is there more radios on order to outfit all 170?

What is the forward maintenance and recovery plan since there are no MRT, wrecker etc. types envisioned?

Let's hope this has been planned...we know it hasn't.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Probably no one thought of that.

I can assure you no one that does a vehicle platform procurement talks to a Jimmy when thinking about Comms platforms.

 

[Underway]

I can assure you no one that does a vehicle platform procurement talks to a Jimmy when thinking about Comms platforms.

What's this triangle of Armor, protection, mobility? I thought it was comfort, comms, and computers.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

What's this triangle of Armor, protection, mobility? I thought it was comfort, comms, and computers.

Comms enables protection and mobility.

Ask how many LAVs go VOR because their Comms Suite is N/S. Can't crew command without IC, can't talk to other LAVs to coordinate fire, movement, recovery etc.

If you fail to consider comms in your planning, we'll definitely become a factor in your limitations.

 

[Underway]

Comms enables protection and mobility.

Ask how many LAVs go VOR because their Comms Suite is N/S. Can't crew command without IC, can't talk to other LAVs to coordinate fire, movement, recovery etc.

If you fail to consider comms in your planning, we'll definitely become a factor in your limitations.

I need a sarcasm font, as I was taking the piss. As a combat systems guy I agree with you. Comms shouldn't be an afterthought.

Speaking with one of my SIG INT friends, when they did the ASCV program and called in all the stakeholders they were surprised to see a SIG INT person there, as they completely forgot about vehicles for their needs.