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geo said:
Yep class and level I understand.What I was refering to was the type. class and level/classe et niveau are at the bottom I was refering to the "type" box next to the permit#.
unit sn
rank name
TYPE permit speciality
On type I have type:ll I'm almost sure I can remember having a 1 in that box.Man there are a lot of C- numbers on my 404's!
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under unit, rank & permit # is "restrictions" .... which is 1 = eyeglasses
ooooo.... lookie here
Military drivers do not require a provincial driver's licence to operate DND owned or leased vehicles on public roads in Canada, providing they hold this permit and it is valid"
ooooo.... lookie here
Military drivers do not require a provincial driver's licence to operate DND owned or leased vehicles on public roads in Canada, providing they hold this permit and it is valid"
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my layout as there seems to be many
unit sn
rank name
type permit number speciality
restrictions date issue dateexpired
class and level
That my lay out.Yours doesnt have type?
unit sn
rank name
type permit number speciality
restrictions date issue dateexpired
class and level
That my lay out.Yours doesnt have type?
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DND 404 (02-00) on mine as well.Issued out to me 01/-8/2005.
hmmmmm.....any mse-ops here?
hmmmmm.....any mse-ops here?
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099* said:
black hatter by any chance?
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three types of DND 404s as follows:
1. Type I. This is intended for the occasional driver who is authorized to drive all Standard Commercial MSE up to and including nine passenger vans. A type I license is issued based on the possession of a valid PDL and consists simply of registering the driver in the FMS. The local transportation authority may oblige type I license holders to complete a local information guide/test or briefing. DDC is mandatory by 1 Dec 2001 or the type I license is revoked until DDC is completed. As FMS is not yet connected through a national database, personnel wishing to obtain MSE away from their home unit should have a print out of their FMS registration in their possession. Otherwise, physical possession of a paper DND 404 is not essential; registration in FMS may be sufficient as determined by local policy.
2. Type II. This is for military and civilian professional and user drivers who are required to drive MSE, Standard Military Pattern (SMP) vehicles or Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFV) as part of their routine duties. It is issued to personnel who require certification on vehicles outside of Type I levels. The carrying of Type II permit is mandatory.
3. Type III. This is for the military or civilian personnel who do not have a PDL or formal driver training (so can not be categorized as casual, user or professional drivers) but who are required to operate MSE in order to perform a specific function limited to DND property (i.e., forklift operation in a Depot). The carrying of a Type III DND 404 is mandatory
The following terminology and meaning applies
1. Casual or occasional drivers - these are personnel who do not drive as part of their normal duties. An example is a Staff Officer at HQ who operates Mobile Support Equipment (MSE) while on Temporary Duty (TD) at another location. A casual driver may only be granted Type I driving privileges based on registration in FMS. Physical possession of the paper DND 404 is determined by local policy.
2. Professional driver - Mobile Support Equipment Operator (MSE Op) 935 and Machine Driving and Operator (MDO) whose primary responsibility is the operation of MSE. Professional drivers require Type II permits.
3. User driver - those who are not professional drivers as defined above but who operate MSE as part of their normal duties. An example is the majority of CE workers. User drivers require Type II permits
1. Type I. This is intended for the occasional driver who is authorized to drive all Standard Commercial MSE up to and including nine passenger vans. A type I license is issued based on the possession of a valid PDL and consists simply of registering the driver in the FMS. The local transportation authority may oblige type I license holders to complete a local information guide/test or briefing. DDC is mandatory by 1 Dec 2001 or the type I license is revoked until DDC is completed. As FMS is not yet connected through a national database, personnel wishing to obtain MSE away from their home unit should have a print out of their FMS registration in their possession. Otherwise, physical possession of a paper DND 404 is not essential; registration in FMS may be sufficient as determined by local policy.
2. Type II. This is for military and civilian professional and user drivers who are required to drive MSE, Standard Military Pattern (SMP) vehicles or Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFV) as part of their routine duties. It is issued to personnel who require certification on vehicles outside of Type I levels. The carrying of Type II permit is mandatory.
3. Type III. This is for the military or civilian personnel who do not have a PDL or formal driver training (so can not be categorized as casual, user or professional drivers) but who are required to operate MSE in order to perform a specific function limited to DND property (i.e., forklift operation in a Depot). The carrying of a Type III DND 404 is mandatory
The following terminology and meaning applies
1. Casual or occasional drivers - these are personnel who do not drive as part of their normal duties. An example is a Staff Officer at HQ who operates Mobile Support Equipment (MSE) while on Temporary Duty (TD) at another location. A casual driver may only be granted Type I driving privileges based on registration in FMS. Physical possession of the paper DND 404 is determined by local policy.
2. Professional driver - Mobile Support Equipment Operator (MSE Op) 935 and Machine Driving and Operator (MDO) whose primary responsibility is the operation of MSE. Professional drivers require Type II permits.
3. User driver - those who are not professional drivers as defined above but who operate MSE as part of their normal duties. An example is the majority of CE workers. User drivers require Type II permits
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If everyone checks out the link on reply 8 from SuperSonic Max it will show you the Type of 404s out there. To be brief. Type 1 - occasional /casual driver of Standard Commercial vehicles but not in normal duties. Type 2- Professional and Users drivers who use them daily. Type 3 those who don't have a PDL or formal DND dvr trg and only to perform specific functions limited to DND property only.
You can check DWAN A-LM-158-005/AG-001 for suspension of Military and Civilian Drivers PDLs. Basically saying that anyone PDLs are suspended then their DND 404s are suspended.
GEO you are qual A1- S/C, S/w up to 9 pax c/all, A3 up to 12 pax c/all, B2- 3 ton, C52- Milcot, C53- MLVW and C60 Iltis.
You can check DWAN A-LM-158-005/AG-001 for suspension of Military and Civilian Drivers PDLs. Basically saying that anyone PDLs are suspended then their DND 404s are suspended.
GEO you are qual A1- S/C, S/w up to 9 pax c/all, A3 up to 12 pax c/all, B2- 3 ton, C52- Milcot, C53- MLVW and C60 Iltis.
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hmmm...are you a credible source?
;D
just kidding.
finally a trucker shows up to edumacate all us "user" types ;D
;D
just kidding.
finally a trucker shows up to edumacate all us "user" types ;D
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geo said:
Yup - Dodge 350 Power wagon (1 ton) with 3 on the floor? Actually towed a 105 with that in Shilo for about 500 Feet... Made the strangest creaking sounds. God - International Carryall... yes, indeed. I actually had 3/4 SMP on my 404s - DOn't know how it got there, and I only ever drove one once, but it was there!
George Wallace
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Used to love it years ago when they actually typed what you could drive on the 404's. Now, how does that MP stopping you know what you can drive or not, let alone anyone else, including yourself. I have a Type II Specialty A E F and of course the Restrictions 1 with Class & Levels A2.B3.C1.2.4.21.23.24.25.60.62.G10.11 and I don't have a clue what each and every one means. I do know what I can drive from memory, as long as the aluminum syndrome doesn't kick in..... ;D
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Thankfully I have never been in the esh. No offence to anyone,just not my ideal job for me.
I got
a1
b2
c10
c13
c21
c30
c52
c62 Not many but can our friendly truckers maybe find out for me so I can write it down for future reference?
cheers
I got
a1
b2
c10
c13
c21
c30
c52
c62 Not many but can our friendly truckers maybe find out for me so I can write it down for future reference?
cheers
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Thankfully I have never been in the esh. No offence to anyone,just not my ideal job for me.
I got
a1 Civy pattern
b2 civy pattern
c10
c13
c21
c30
c52 LSVW (I believe)
c62 MLVW (I believe)
I got
a1 Civy pattern
b2 civy pattern
c10
c13
c21
c30
c52 LSVW (I believe)
c62 MLVW (I believe)
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WRT the internationals...... funny thing about those trucks is that DND only bought the "seconds" - those that did not pass the Mfgs inspection.... consequently, I think I only got to see the inside of their glove compartment once in my career.... and the vehicle had more creaks, groans & growls than you can shake a stick at.
WRT to pulling a 105 on a power wagon... try driving a 106 gun on a jeep chassis, in Feb, without a tarp.... Brrrrrrr!!!
WRT to pulling a 105 on a power wagon... try driving a 106 gun on a jeep chassis, in Feb, without a tarp.... Brrrrrrr!!!
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