CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[KevinB]

No different than people not complaining about the billions of dollars through Canadian aerospace suppliers for JSF…

Hey it’s not called freeloading for nothing…

 

[Quirky]

Is there space at CFB Comox for 7-8 737s and associated hangar?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Maritime Helicopter be like: what is the “hotel” thing of which you speak?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Is there space at CFB Comox for 7-8 737s and associated hangar?

I am pretty certain that there going to have to be some more construction at Comox. Greenwood might be ok(ish).

 

[zoomie36]

Aussie's are already upgrading their fleet to Increment Three block 2 (hopefully they will not go block 2.1 - MH joke )

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Australian-P-8A-Poseidon-Fleet-Receive-Upgrades/Wed-09202023-1626

Is there any indication in the press release what increment block version we will get?

 

[YZT580]

I am pretty certain that there going to have to be some more construction at Comox. Greenwood might be ok(ish).

or re-invest in Summerside

 

[calculus]

The FMS announcement is interesting. Gives a good view of all the kit that comes with the P8. I don't know if there is anything unusual in there, that would suggest any Canadianization.

Canada – P-8A Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

I love how the MX-20HD is on the FMS notice. Isn't that still made in Canada at the L3 Harris (Wescam) facility in Hamilton?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Is there space at CFB Comox for 7-8 737s and associated hangar?

407 won’t have that many tails. The majority of the fleet is and will be based out of ZX.

If historical trends follow, the Demons will be the last Sqn to convert.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

or re-invest in Summerside

The entire base infrastructure has been sold off and in use. not to mention the runways and their condition. ZX houses all 3 of the FG, FE and FD Sqns and associated simulator spaces, weapons storage areas etc.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Ref infrastructure; I’d take a wild guess that studies might have taken place…




I’d love to see something similar to the P-8 facility the RAF built in Lossie…but with a few more bays of course.

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[SeaKingTacco]

407 won’t have that many tails. The majority of the fleet is and will be based out of ZX.

If historical trends follow, the Demons will be the last Sqn to convert.

I would suspect you are correct- the Demons will fly the remaining hours off the CP-140 fleet and convert last. I don’t think their WW2 era wooden hangar is tall enough for a P8 tail. Mind you, it has spectacular Old growth Doug Fir beams in it. Some contractor will pay DND to dismantle the hangar, just to get the wood.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I’d love to see 407 have a “building with windows”. Imagine - windows in offices. Fresh air…craziness.

They also were the hold-overs for Block 3 and 4; maybe the CAG / Comd will go crazy and put them thru P-8 CT first? (Not holding my breathe on that one…)

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I’ll add one more thing to my personal wishlist for the fleet; assign aircraft to Sqns. Loads of people would probably be like…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I’ll add one more thing to my personal wishlist for the fleet; assign aircraft to Sqns. Loads of people would probably be like…

Is the MPA world still playing with centralized maintenance and pooled aircraft? How many decades will have to pass before they are certain that does not work?

 

[Good2Golf]

I love how the MX-20HD is on the FMS notice. Isn't that still made in Canada at the L3 Harris (Wescam) facility in Hamilton?

So it would be better to split them out and purchase as DCS with higher unit price and no support package, so acquisition and repairs would be more expensive?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Hitting Is the MPA world still playing with centralized maintenance and pooled aircraft? How many decades will have to pass before they are certain that does not work?

Yes; how many hours Wing and Sqn Ops and planners spend tail-chasing is mind-boggling.

It certainly doesn’t have a significant effect on OT&E / FD when your Sqn by default is Pri 3 on a good day and serviceability is “what you’d expect from 40 year old airframes”.

 

[dapaterson]

Mind you, it has spectacular Old growth Doug Fir beams in it. Some contractor will pay DND to dismantle the hangar, just to get the wood.

DND will pay a contractor huge money to take and resell the wood, I think you mean.

 

[Kirkhill]

I would suspect you are correct- the Demons will fly the remaining hours off the CP-140 fleet and convert last. I don’t think their WW2 era wooden hangar is tall enough for a P8 tail. Mind you, it has spectacular Old growth Doug Fir beams in it. Some contractor will pay DND to dismantle the hangar, just to get the wood.

I’d love to see 407 have a “building with windows”. Imagine - windows in offices. Fresh air…craziness.

They also were the hold-overs for Block 3 and 4; maybe the CAG / Comd will go crazy and put them thru P-8 CT first? (Not holding my breathe on that one…)

Now see, a clever project engineer might figure out how to build a building with old growth beams AND windows.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

DND will pay a contractor huge money to take and resell the wood, I think you mean.

Probably. But the last hangar dismantled in Comox made money for DND.

 

[brihard]

I’ll add one more thing to my personal wishlist for the fleet; assign aircraft to Sqns. Loads of people would probably be like…

Wait, so a given airframe doesn’t belong to a specific squadron? How the hell does that work?