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Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

Interesting thoughts, China is in a sense colonizing Africa as we speak using their money, expertise and lack of interests in Human rights to encourage countries to deal with them. I suspect a direct war between China and West as to damaging and a series of prolonged proxy wars to take place. A big unknown for everyone is the Chinese people themselves, the current rulers are like cowboys, they can normally control the herd with minimal effort, but if the herd begins to move in unanticipated directions there may be little they can do. If the Chinese leaders can keep the conflict off the front pages I think they will be fairly successful, if they can not, then the herd instinct may take over, a threat to the leadership far greater than the West I suspect.

Malaysia is a good case study, a benevolent somewhat fascist dictatorship disguised with the trappings of democracy, can it be maintained with the passing of DR. M? The Chinese are better at succession planning I should note.
 
Thucydides said:
If (very big if here) the author is correct, we do have powerful economic levers to use against the regime. Reducing our imports of cheap Chinese goods is one; much of it is pretty dodgy anyway (in terms of quality or even your health) so there will only be limited personal pain to do so. Shop around.

Markets are places of many sellers and many buyers.  I notice most of those cheap Chinese goods are not sold, designed, or marketed by a Chinese company - one reason their net trade surplus is much smaller than some of their bilateral trade surpluses (notably with the EU and the US).  Taiwanese electronics are assembled into computers in the PRC, or Samsung assembles Sony TVs in Shenzhen.    As an addendum to that, Western firms have lots of physical capital in-country that could be vulnerable to nationalization or less direct means of economic retaliation (the sudden appearance of Indian levels or red tape comes to mind).  Making use of economic levers is much easier said than done.  You'd need to unravel all the trading links and affected third parties just to make sure that any given action affects the party you directed it at instead of some third party further down the line.


The second is more drastic, and it was the cause of the Pacific phase of the Second World War (Imperial Japan vs USA and colonial empires), which is to throttle the flow of resources to China. We in Canada have a vast market in the United States already, so once again, selling our oil, coal, lumber, wheat etc to the Americans rather than the Chinese isn't going to cause a great deal of personal or overall economic pain.

But these are all fungible goods, easily sold and resold via proxies or third parties.  Even if Canadian resources never made it to China's shores, if the amount on the market remains the same, then all it will do is displace other suppliers.  Countries and companies that we undercut to supply the US will find that they can get a better price from China than before, now that Canadian suppliers no longer compete.  Or they can simply have it re-exported from say... Singapore or Taiwan or Australia.  Markets are not very segregated, especially in the raw bulk resources you've mentioned.
 
This article, essentially an interview with Henry Kissinger, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Financial Post, could go in another Army.ca forum but I have put it here because it supports my “China ought not to be our enemy” position:

http://www.financialpost.com/reports/oil-watch/story.html?id=580387
Kissinger: '70s proposals could have reversed oil crisis
Exclusive interview with the Financial Post

Sean Silcoff, Financial Post

Published: Wednesday, June 11, 2008

MONTREAL -- Henry Kissinger, the U.S. secretary of state during the height of the 1970s oil crisis, says solutions proposed then -- but not implemented -- could have helped stave off the current energy crisis that some speculate could lead to US$200/barrel oil.

"When we went through the crisis, we thought US$30 oil was unbearable," the 85-year-old Dr. Kissinger said in an exclusive interview with the Financial Post before a speech to the International Forum of the Americas in Montreal. "And ironically the steps that we proposed at the time, which were more or less accepted, but never implemented, are still the steps people are talking about, and are not yet implemented."

Dr. Kissinger said the International Energy Agency, created in 1974 as a countermeasure to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), had been "very successful" in efforts to amass emergency stockpiles, while efforts to share information with consumers "has been fairly successful."

"But they have not gone the next step, to see at what point countermeasures can be taken" or what countermeasures should be taken to battle rising prices.

Dr. Kissinger declined to offer what countermeasures should be taken, but said development of alternative energy sources, better global co-operation on prices and the creation of "an overall approach" had not happened. "I think that American energy policy has done what you can do without great pain," he said. "But I think American energy policy for the last 20 years has not done what it should have done. But neither has anyone else's energy policy."

Dr. Kissinger, who is supporting his old friend John McCain's run for president, said he felt the war in Iraq -- one of the key points of differentiation between the presumptive Republican nominee and Democrat Barack Obama -- "is going in a direction in which I think a political solution becomes feasible and visible," following a "surge" effort championed by Mr. McCain.

Asked what he felt were the greatest foreign policy challenges in the world, he spoke of "four or five upheavals that are going on around the world simultaneously," including the growth of the European Union and the adjustments that has brought to the continent, the changing order in the Islamic world, the rise of Asia and "the gap between global economics and global politics."

In addition, Dr. Kissinger – who helped open the way to Sino-American relations with a secret visit to China in 1971, when he was assistant to President Richard Nixon for national security affairs – said the emerging Asian superpower and the U.S. "must on both sides make every effort to avoid building [the relationship] into a classic adversarial relationship, because that could have the same impact" as the forces that led to the First World War, at a time "where the world is even more dependent on positives and creative answers," he said. "I am a great advocate of constructive relations with China.

Here are some addition (verbatim) comments (same source) from the interview:

Q What do you think are the top foreign policy challenges today?

A What I say in my speech is there are four or five upheavals that are going on around the world simultaneously. The change of the state system in Europe toward the European Union, which has benefits but produces a need for massive adjustments. (The) existing order in the Islamic World. The rise of Asia. The gap between global economics and global politics. And the emergence of problems that can only be solved on a global basis, like energy, environment and nuclear proliferation.

Q What do you think of the situation in Iraq?

A The war is going in a direction in which I think a political solution becomes feasible and visible.

Q Could you have imagined when you helped open China to the West how far it would come in 37 years?

A Absolutely not. When I came to China, if anyone had told me that we would be worrying about China as an economic competitor in 30 years it would have been inconceivable.

Q What do you think of China now? Is the relationship between China and United States bound to emerge as the new superpower tension point globally?

A China will be an increasingly powerful and increasingly important country. We must on both sides make every effort to avoid building it into a classic adversarial relationship, because that could have the same impact [as the geopolitical forces that gave rise to] World War I, where the world is even more dependent on positives and creative answers. I am a great advocate of constructive relations with China.

Obviously, given my well established position here, I think Kissinger is correct: we, the American led West and others, will have to compete with China for markets – for both goods and services and ideas. Despite the views of some (especially Washington based) experts China should not be wedged into the strategic position occupied by the USSR for a half century or so.

We have enough real, live enemies; we don’t need to invent new ones.
 
It seems that Mayor COUGH*, I mean President Ma is going ahead with the waishengren-backed Guomindang's plan to make closer ties with their CCP nemesis across the strait.

http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1454092

China, Taiwan talks move ahead in Beijing
China and Taiwan agreed on Thursday to open representative offices to handle visa issues, despite a lack of diplomatic ties between the two countries, reports here said.

The deal was reached in Beijing during the first formal talks in a decade between the long-time rivals, Taiwan delegation spokesman Pang Jian-guo was quoted saying by local station TVBS.

The offices will be represented by Taiwan's Straits Exchange Foundation and its mainland counterpart, the Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait. Currently visas between the two are handled in Hong Kong.

News of the deal comes as the two rivals began their first formal talks in a decade as part of a rapprochement that is likely to see the development of trade and tourism ties.

With big smiles and a warm handshake, the chief negotiators from each side began the two days of talks in Beijing's Diaoyutai State Guesthouse that often serves as China's choice for conducting high-level diplomacy.

"As long as we have mutual trust and understanding... these talks are going to become an important communication mechanism for cross-strait development," chief Chinese envoy Chen Yunlin said before the media was ushered out.

The talks, suspended since the mid-1990s, are resuming as part of a dramatic warming in relations that began with the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan's president in March.

Ma and his Kuomintang party swept to power promising closer ties with China, following eight years of tensions across the straits as then Taiwan president Chen Shui-bian tried to steer the island closer toward independence.

China and Taiwan split at the end of a civil war in 1949, and the mainland's ruling Communist Party ratcheted up threats during Chen's reign that it was prepared to use military force to bring about reunification.

But Ma, who began his term in May, has managed to begin letting some steam out of the pressure-cooker environment between China and Taiwan that made their relationship one of the world's potential military flashpoints.

Agreement to restart the talks was reached when Chinese President Hu Jintao met Kuomintang chief Wu Poh-hsiung in Beijing last month.

That in itself was an historic event, as it was the first meeting between the heads of the ruling parties of each side since Kuomintang forces retreated to the island in 1949 and the communists took power in Beijing.

Direct trade and tourism links have been severely restricted ever since, but this week's talks in Beijing are expected to see some tentative steps towards changing that situation.

One of the top items on the agenda is establishing regular direct flights between the mainland and China.

Except for national holidays, people wanting to travel the less than 200 kilometres (120 miles) from the mainland currently have to make a much longer journey with a stopover in Hong Kong.

Taiwan media reported that the two sides will Thursday discuss establishing 18 direct flights a week between China and Taiwan.

As many as 3,000 Chinese tourists would be allowed to fly to Taiwan a day, under the plans due to be discussed in Beijing that were first published in the Taiwanese press and carried again in China's state-run media on Thursday.
Taiwan is pushing for the first of these visitors to arrive on the island on July 4.

Taiwan's chief envoy to the talks, Chiang Pin-kun, also said ahead of the talks that he would raise the issues of starting direct chartered cargo flights and allowing island's financial institutions to operate on the mainland.

Chiang is expected to meet Hu on Friday.

China's official Xinhua news agency said agreements on some of the issues being discussed would be formally reached on Friday, the final official day of the dialogue.

Ma's overtures are seen to be as much about economic issues as political, because closer ties with China would help inject fresh cash and momentum into Taiwan's economy as it battles the US-led global downturn.

The two sides have already built up strong economic links despite the long political freeze. Since 1991, approved Taiwan investment on the mainland has risen by a factor of nearly 60, standing at 9.97 billion dollars in 2007.
 
More on the China/Taiwan talks, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080612.wchinataiwan0612/BNStory/International/home
China, Taiwan hold first talks since 1999

BEN BLANCHARD
Reuters

June 12, 2008 at 3:08 AM EDT

BEIJING — China and Taiwan began talking for the first time in almost a decade on Thursday, though the two often bitter diplomatic rivals are focusing on just a few practical issues and avoiding sensitive political problems.

The only two topics on the agenda are starting direct flights, banned since defeated Nationalist forces fled to the island at the close of the civil war in 1949, and opening Taiwan's doors to masses of Chinese tourists.

Negotiation teams including tourism and transport officials sat facing each other at a long table, rimmed by TV cameras, after a lengthy televised handshake between the two smiling team leaders. They were due to talk all day and sign agreements on Friday.

“We feel the great responsibility of this glorious mission and we must spare no effort in realizing the aspirations of people on the two sides,” China's lead negotiator, Chen Yunlin, said at the opening of the talks, according to Xinhua news agency.

Mr. Chen and his Taiwanese counterpart, P.K. Chiang, head semi-official bodies set up to talk in the absence of formal ties.

There is not expected to be any mention of signing a peace treaty, of the missiles Taiwan says China has aimed at the island or of any of the other much trickier subjects both sides are ignoring in favour of first solving less contentious matters.

“I believe that in this recent atmosphere of goodwill between the two sides, this meeting has already established mutual trust and can certainly ... lay the foundations for long-term peace and stability across the straits,” Mr. Chiang said.

This round should also pave the way for regular talks at which harder issues can be discussed, said Alexander Huang, a professor of strategic studies at Taipei's Tamkang University.

“Both sides understand we need to talk about more stuff. We are trying to put all the difficult issues on the shelf this time,” Mr. Huang said.

The plain-spoken Mr. Chiang, 75, is expected to invite Mr. Chen to visit Taiwan and propose a long-term co-operation mechanism, Taiwan media reported on Thursday.

Mr. Chiang's 19-member team, including senior government officials seldom allowed passage to China, was scheduled to return to Taiwan on Saturday.

China and Taiwan last spoke formally in 1999, before former Taiwan President Lee Teng-hui enraged Beijing by describing ties as “a special state-to-state relationship”.

China has claimed sovereignty over Taiwan since 1949, when Mao Zedong's Communists won the Chinese civil war and Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists (KMT) fled to the island. Beijing has vowed to bring Taiwan under its rule, by force if necessary.

Yet China, keen to avoid diplomatic rows in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics in August, is expected to take a conciliatory line this week.

Ties have also warmed considerably after the KMT's China-friendly Ma Ying-jeou won the presidency in March.

In a further sign of a thaw, Taiwan's central bank said on Wednesday it would allow financial institutions to sell Chinese yuan to individuals as well as buying the currency from them.

Taiwan's parliament on Thursday approved an amended bill that will help speed the process of allowing wider convertibility between the Taiwan dollar and the yuan, signalling improving ties on both sides.

The parliament's approval will let the island's Financial Supervisory Commission and central bank work on plans to let financial institutions buy and sell the Chinese yuan to individuals, which might happen by end-June at the earliest.

But Taiwan's the main opposition Democratic Progressive Party accused the government of courting Beijing because of the ruling party's business connections in China and implored it to “negotiate on equal footing”.

“We can't belittle Taiwan's sovereignty, and we can't lose the country's dignity,” a party official said in a statement.

There are currently no direct flights between the two rivals except on major holidays, meaning the hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese who live and work in China have to make time-consuming flights via Hong Kong, Macau or other third territories.

“I think it's a good sign,” said Beijing university student Jane Chen of the talks. “They can help understanding, and solve problems.”

A Taipei resident expressed guarded optimism.

“It's a good start,” said Tien Ya-wen, 21, a university law student. “I think it's hard to say that they can sign an agreement due to the differences in the two sides.”

And this, also reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act but his time from the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=4fa9cdbb-edb0-4595-a600-818624b3bc44
Taiwanese want independence, better economic ties to China: poll
Major survey before first high-level talks shows clear majority

Aileen Mccabe, Canwest News Service

Published: Thursday, June 12, 2008

SHANGHAI - As officials from Beijing and Taipei sit down today for their first high-level talks in nearly a decade, a new poll shows a clear majority in Taiwan oppose a union with mainland China and consider themselves purely Taiwanese.

Most of those polled said they wanted better economic ties with China, but on the political front they only expected talks to lead to a closer friendship between the two rival nations.

Nothing nearly as contentious as unification is on the agenda in Beijing for the inaugural meeting. Officials are limiting their sights to establishing regular weekend charter flights between China and Taiwan, plus easing the restrictions on Chinese nationals visiting the island. Currently, the only flights across the Taiwan Strait are specially arranged charters on major holidays.

The two sides are expected to sign an agreement on both issues before talks finish on Saturday.

Before leaving Taipei, P.K. Chiang -- Taiwan's top negotiator -- said the flights were "a starting point" and a confidence-building measure for renewed relations.

"Although the schedule sounds simple, the task is very heavy and the significance is also quite heavy," he said.

Taiwan's popular television station TVBS polled 1,015 people on the island between June 6 and 9. It said 65 per cent supported continued independence for Taiwan, and just 19 per cent welcomed unification with their giant neighbour.

Respondents said the focus of newly elected Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou's policy toward China should be an improved economic link and an end to ongoing diplomatic spats. They also wanted him to negotiate a halt to the military presence across the strait.

Beginning political negotiations with China was at the bottom of their agenda for Mr. Ma, supported by only 13.6 per cent.

Mr. Ma led his Nationalist party to victory in March on a promise of improving relations with China that had deteriorated badly under the government led by former president Chen Shui-bian, and China quickly seized on his success.

In May, Chinese President Hu Jintao met with the head of Mr. Ma's party -- Wu Poh-hsiung -- in the Great Hall of the People.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008

This is a good news story for the region; China and Taiwan need one another for social, economic and political reasons. I continue to believe that a “one nation, several systems” model will emerge, allowing China and Taiwan to reunify peacefully, à la Hong Kong.


 
E.R. Campbell said:
This is a good news story for the region; China and Taiwan need one another for social, economic and political reasons. I continue to believe that a “one nation, several systems” model will emerge, allowing China and Taiwan to reunify peacefully, à la Hong Kong.

Not unless a very strong, destabilizing factor will cause the CCP to lose its "mandate of heaven" or its current popular llegitimacy. That is why I am still willing to bet that the Guomindang will still outlive its Chinese Civil War-era rival, not unless the CCP continues further to adapt and preferrably in the same way that the People's Action Party of Singapore has. Bei Da professor Pan Wei and his "Rule of Law Regime" concept mentioned earlier again come to mind.
 
CougarDaddy said:
Not unless a very strong, destabilizing factor will cause the CCP to lose its "mandate of heaven" or its current popular llegitimacy. That is why I am still willing to bet that the Guomindang will still outlive its Chinese Civil War-era rival, not unless the CCP continues further to adapt and preferrably in the same way that the People's Action Party of Singapore has. Bei Da professor Pan Wei and his "Rule of Law Regime" concept mentioned earlier again come to mind.

I'm guessing that the CCP thinks (hopes?) it can and, indeed, plans to keep its mandate and adapt itself, à la Singapore’s PAP, maybe even through something akin to Singapore’s White Paper on Shared Values.

The White Paper idea may be essential, even without Taiwan, because of the need to keep minorities ‘happy.’
 
This article, reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, highlights an interesting dilemma:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080613.wcelil13/BNStory/International/home
Why U.S. is quietly pressing for Celil's release
Uyghur activist brings Washington onside

OMAR EL AKKAD

From Friday's Globe and Mail
June 13, 2008 at 3:00 AM EDT

OTTAWA — The United States has quietly become one of the most aggressive advocates for Huseyin Celil after Washington politicians risked the ire of Beijing and made him the subject of two motions calling for his release.

The backing of U.S. legislators for the case of Mr. Celil, a Canadian citizen imprisoned in China, is in large part due to the efforts of Rebiya Kadeer.

Ms. Kadeer is considered the most important leader of the Uyghur people - the Muslim minority group to which Mr. Celil belongs. She met with Canadian officials this week, and is in Toronto today kicking off Amnesty International's annual general meeting.

She also has first-hand experience of Mr. Celil's predicament, having spent time in a Chinese prison accused of "leaking state secrets." In 2005, she was released early, a move believed to have been prompted by pressure from the United States. Other members of her family have not been so fortunate.

Even though Ottawa has so far failed to persuade Beijing even to accept Mr. Celil's Canadian citizenship the level of access Ms. Kadeer is granted shows the government isn't overtly or covertly opposed to bringing the Canadian home.

But Ms. Kadeer's biggest impact on Mr. Celil may well come in Washington, where U.S. officials now have not only benevolent, but possibly political reasons to push for his release.

In late May, Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown sponsored a resolution "expressing the sense of the Senate that the Government of the People's Republic of China should immediately release from custody the children of Rebiya Kadeer and Canadian citizen Huseyin Celil and should refrain from further engaging in acts of cultural, linguistic, and religious suppression directed against the Uyghur people."

The resolution wasn't the first time Washington has expressed a formal opinion on the Celil case.

Last September, the House of Representatives passed a similar motion, in part calling on China to "immediately release Canadian citizen Huseyin Celil and allow him to rejoin his family in Canada."

A month later, the United Kingdom passed what is called an early day motion calling for Mr. Celil's immediate release.

There also may be a political upside for Washington if Mr. Celil is released.

Earlier this month, The Globe and Mail reported that the Canadian government came close to accepting as refugees a group of Uyghur prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, only to back off in part because of fears that such a move would worsen the chances of getting Mr. Celil out of China.

The United States has desperately searched for a place to send the detained Uyghurs, who have been deemed not a security threat.

Mr. Celil's return would give Canada one less reason not to accept the detainees.

But any move to have him released faces serious hurdles. Beijing has made it clear it considers the case closed, and rather than risk other aspects of the China-Canada relationship by pushing harder, Ottawa appears to have chosen to tone down efforts.

The Uyghur minority group has for years found a sympathetic ear in Washington.

Ms. Kadeer, whose husband was in the United States, was released in 2005 just before a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. In exchange for her release, it is believed that the U.S. softened its public criticism of China, especially at the United Nations Commission on Human Rights.

Ms. Kadeer, a millionaire businesswoman in China before running afoul of authorities, has used her considerable determination and influence as head of the World Uyghur Congress to fight for her ethnic group.

She has found several allies in Washington, where many politicians blame China for the loss of millions of jobs.

This week, she is in Canada, meeting with top government officials and hoping to keep Mr. Celil's case alive.

She will also be the keynote speaker at Amnesty International's annual general meeting in Toronto, part of what AI secretary-general Alex Neve calls a concerted effort to put the spotlight on China's human-rights record ahead of the Beijing Olympics.

"It's hard to imagine a more eloquent, courageous and persuasive voice to propel us on in those efforts than Rebiya Kadeer," he said.

Mr. Celil was travelling on a Canadian passport when he was arrested in Uzbekistan two years ago and eventually handed over to Chinese officials. Beijing accused him of terrorism and sentenced him to life in prison in April of 2007.

He and his supporters have always denied the charges against him.

That China is “engaging in acts of cultural, linguistic, and religious suppression directed against the Uyghur people" is beyond doubt. Equally doubtless is the fact that there is a Uyghur separatist movement, à la the FLQ in the ‘60s and ‘70s, that is, almost certainly, funded and animated by allies or ‘soul-mates’ of al Qaeda.

So, whose ox is being gored?

Is China on ’our’ side, however reluctantly we might be to have them there, because it is fighting the hydra like Islamist movement? Or are some US legislators on Osama bin Laden’s ‘side’ because they are aiding and abetting the Islamist movement by trying to ’twist the dragon’s tail’, so to speak? Or is it smart to try to discomfit our Chinese competitor even as we ‘play nice’ with parts of the Islamist movement.



 
Or is it an opportunity to demonstrate to Muslims that not all Muslims are our enemies?  I don't know the details of Celil's case but I am unaware of his personal involvement with any violence and while the Uyghur may indeed have a separatist movement we, Canada, apparently believe that secessionism itself is no crime.  We supply secessionists with stipends, pensions and platfingorms.

On the other side China has no trouble at all twisting the West's tail, or at least ignoring the West's outrage, and for that matter domestic outrage and the outrage of the Third World not capable of delivering oil and copper, in pursuit of its own interest.

Earlier in this thread you asked "But what's the tipping point?" and I responded I didn't know.  But like the Yankee judge said about pornography, I'll recognize when I see it (I hope).  That makes me a poor, and useless, analyst but honestly I don't think there is ever a continuous, distinct and logical path that takes nations to war.  Its more like two pans being filled from multiple streams of grains of sand.  Some streams are stopped and new ones start.  Some turn into torrents while others are choked to a trickle.  But at the end of the day it can be a single grain (or Ear in 1739) that makes the difference.

While I continue to agree that we would be unwise to "make an enemy of China" it appears to me that there is a very sizable portion of Chinese, and perhaps just the Han, have come to, and continue to, see us as the enemy.

A national programme of restoring "Face" to expunge historical slights, real and imagined, without reference to their own atrocities.
 
While the Chinese, Russians and even Europeans have problems of greater or lesser extent with Islamists in their midst or on the borders, they believe that the United States and the Anglosphere West represent the greater "threat" to their freedom of action. The Jihadis can oppose actions, but only the creative abilities of the Anglosphere West canmake fundimental changes to the world order (changes they have no hand in making and probably not to their liking). By triangulating between the US and Iran and the Jihadis, they hope to offload the Islamist problem on "us" and maintain their own freedom of action. In this respect I think they are living in a fool's paradise, but they will reap what they have sowed.

We are not helpless spectators in this affair, and so it does make sense to put the Islamist problem front and centre on their tables as well. We have our own national interests to see to, and our own freedoms and freedom of action to preserve. What is really needed is to articulate our principles (Freedom of expression, Property rights, the Rule of Law) and ensure that all of our actions are designed to preserve these principles at home and extend them throughout the world. Inconsistent application of our animating principles is more of a problem in the way we are preceived than anything else.

Even in cases where we choose to husband our resources and not take direct action (i.e. the Sudan), we should look to how second and third order effects of our actions elsewhere can be spun to our benefit there.
 
Imagine a world with the US on the sidelines. Some probably would cheer that but the reality of a world that the dictators have free reign to pursue their agenda's unchecked by US power somewhat like the US pre-WW2.A scary prospect for me anyway.

China's involvement in Africa is seen by some experts as a form of colonization to acquire raw materials for China's economy.The Chinese see Africa as an opening because the west has pretty much given up there and as a result confrontation with the west is unlikely. I do not see China as a friendly nation. They are not an ally. They are usually in opposition to our positions in the UN.

Does India view China as a friend ? No they do not. Recent Indian defense moves have been to strengthen their border defenses with China, a prudent move to be sure. The old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is quite evident with the positions of both China and Russia. Siding with the islamists isnt in their best long term interest as both countries have growing muslim minorities and could see this adder come back to strike them. But for now its beneficial from their standpoint to oppose us by supporting the jihadists. Exporting their own islamists like the Chechens keep them busy and from their view its a one way trip. I wonder what the Chinese will think if the middle east explodes in a nuclear war ? Their clients may be utterly destroyed which they may also view as beneficial in a peverse way. Sky high energy prices will help the Russian bottom line for sure and will hurt China who most buy their energy on the open market.

All the while China continues to modernize its military. I doubt due to its size that China can expand its entire ground force but they can buy a quality Navy and Air Force. Segments of the ground force like armored units would also see the latest and best equipment.They are maintaining quality special operations units and airborne units - but they lack the airlift for these assets. The leaders know that the only country that could invade them are India and Russia and as a result can plan accordingly. If the US is sidelined by a neosocialist regime in Washington then Taiwan could well be invaded without fear of the 7th Fleet intervening. Is that an earth shattering event ? Not in of itself. The German occupation of Austria,Sudetenland and even Poland didnt bring on WW2 until the Germans marched on Belgium and France. What would the world look like today if Hitler had simply stopped ? Its not in the nature though of totalitarian regimes to stop reaching for power. Edmund Burke was right when he said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
 
tomahawk6 said:
If the US is sidelined by a neosocialist regime in Washington then Taiwan could well be invaded without fear of the 7th Fleet intervening. Is that an earth shattering event ? Not in of itself. The German occupation of Austria,Sudetenland and even Poland didnt bring on WW2 until the Germans marched on Belgium and France. What would the world look like today if Hitler had simply stopped ? Its not in the nature though of totalitarian regimes to stop reaching for power. Edmund Burke was right when he said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

The US Democrats are not that stupid as to allow a foreign enemy to undermine international stability and security to the point that international trade is disrupted, which would mean that there would be no imports for them to raise high tariffs on.

Are we forgetting that it was a Democrat in the White House- Bill Clinton- who ordered US two carrier groups to the Taiwan Strait in the Taiwan Missile Crisis of the mid-1990s to warn China to back off and not attempt more than the extensive "wargames" they were conducting at the time? The PLA did so, but not before they launched a couple of missiles over Taipei and into the sea beyond the Eastern part of Taiwan.

Not all democrats are Hippie Peaceniks. And remember that it was during the term of another Democratic President-  Jimmy Carter- when the Taiwan Relations Act came into its final form? HMMM???
 
Jimmy Carter brought us Op Eagle Claw too. :(
Obama is without question closer in ideology to the communists in Beijing than to Ottawa or London. I dont say that idly.Read his position papers on his own web site. He even states that he would bring war crimes charges against Bush administration officials as well as massive new taxes [income redistribution]. After the convention I expect his proposed policies will come under scrutiny by October. I just dont think the country is ready for the most liberal Senator in the Senate.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The leaders know that the only country that could invade them are India and Russia and as a result can plan ...

- Russia would be fighting at the end of a long and tenuous supply chain.  The Trans Siberian Railroad is already up to 120 trains per day, and once the PRC drops the Ob bridge at Novosibirsk...

- As for India, she would have to secure her flanks first.
 
tomahawk6 said:
... the most liberal Senator in the Senate.

T6, I agree with you on Obama.

I do wish, however,  that the perfectly respectable word "liberal" had not travelled the path as the word "gay".  My Grandfather, the Presbyterian Elder and Mason, would have been quite happy in the company of a "gay liberal" 70 years ago although he would have been expecting a cheerful supporter of freedom and not a queer statist.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s National Post, is an article I find interesting for its description of Uighur separatism:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=594871
My emphasis added.
Beijing puts torch run on lockdown
Muslim Region; Chinese urged to watch on TV instead of live

Dan Martin, Agence France-Presse

Published: Wednesday, June 18, 2008

URUMQI, CHINA - Police imposed a security lockdown yesterday as the Olympic torch started its run through China's mainly Muslim region of Xinjiang, seen as one of the most sensitive legs on its nationwide journey.

The centre of the regional capital, Urumqi, was largely shut down and police checkpoints restricted movement throughout the normally bustling city.

Security was especially tight at the central People's Square, where the relay kicked off, with anyone entering having to go through metal detectors and bag searches.

The flame's passage through Xinjiang and the Tibetan regions of China is considered the most sensitive of the three-month journey to the Beijing Games in August because of simmering discontent among local ethnic groups.

The three-day, four-city Xinjiang leg began with a 12-kilo-metre relay through Urumqi from People's Square, regarded as a symbol of Communist power in the city.

The crowd, numbering about 3,000, chanted "Go, China!" and "Go, Olympics!" as the run got under way under sunny skies. Many had stickers of the Chinese flag on their cheeks.

They were overwhelmingly Han Chinese, with only a few Uighurs, the largest ethnic group in the region.

Leading away from the square, the crowds lining the route were also mostly Chinese, many of them young people given a break from their studies and government employees.

"What I am passing on is the friendship and solidarity of ethnic minorities in Xinjiang," one torchbearer was widely quoted as saying on state-run television.

After the torch had passed, the security apparatus was quickly dismantled.

The relay ended at about noon, after the flame had been carried by 208 torch bearers.

Xinjiang is a region of vast deserts and stunning mountains that is home to more than eight million Uighurs, central Asian Muslims who speak a Turkic language.

Many Uighurs discreetly allege Chinese political and religious oppression and systematic discrimination against them in employment, education and business.

Yesterday's relay appeared to proceed without trouble, but journalists were required to choose just one vantage point.

People were also urged to watch the relay on television to keep the proceedings more controllable.

A large red banner at the square called for unity among Xinjiang's ethnic minorities, while a giant TV screen showed video footage proclaiming its 47 minorities "get along so well."

Despite yesterday's fanfare, some Uighurs were bemused by the relay's arrival.

"What does it have to do with us? That is China's Olympics. We don't care," a shop owner named Azatjan said dismissively before the start, as his daughter urged him to be quiet.

Uighur exiles and residents said Chinese authorities had detained thousands of Uighurs, and confiscated the passports of many others, in recent months.

Some Muslims said the passport measure was to prevent anyone linking up abroad with "terrorist" plots aimed at the Olympics.

The sensitivity of the Xinjiang leg was heightened earlier this year when Beijing said it had smashed Xinjiang-based terror plots targeting the Games.

Anyone who lived in Canada in the ‘50s, ‘60s, ‘70s and beyond will recognize the highlighted bits. They are from the standard separatist party line: applicable in Xinjiang, the Basque Autonomous Community, Catalonia, Kurdistan and Québec.

One need not sympathize with China’s response to Muslim/Uighur separatism to admit that it (separatism) exists. If the Canadian government could invoke the old War Measures Act to deal with an “apprehended insurrection” then, surely, China may use large red banners to try to stifle their separatists – in fact, of course, the Chinese do use oppression and Gestapo like tactics to deal with their ‘problem,’ not just red banners.

 
Yes but .... our separatists are bad. Their separatists are good. Surely?  ;)

In a related, if tangential fashion, in all the commentary on the Irish rejection of the EU I heard a German (I believe) MEP describe the debate/battle as one between Sovereignist and Federalists.  I thought that to be a refreshingly honest utterance of particular clarity.

Perhaps all these questions boil down to: Is it possible to create a stable system of governance based on a polity of some 1200 independent and sovereign states with populations of 5,000,000.  That seems to be a good number for a relatively homogeneous society.  (Quebec, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Singapore are all in that order of magnitude).  Or do we need the larger, hegemonic empires for stability? 

If the mantra "Democracies don't go to war against each other" is true, perhaps due an inability to achieve not just consensus but societal focus, then is it possible that a large number of small states each pursuing their own interests might acheive a greater stability than a "bipolar/two party" world?  On the other hand it might end up being a chaotic equilibrium rather than an ordered equilibrium.
 
The small state scenario seems to have been in force through most of the Middle Ages of Europe, and generally was a roiling boil of conflict, territorial ambition and brigandage. The High Middle Ages and the early Renaissance was hardly better; indeed there were several attempts during that period to incorporate larger empires in an attempt to gain some stability and security (not to mention coralling more resources, which seems to be the major driving force behind the formation of empires....). The formation of modern nation states after 1648 is the nost stable solutioin to date.

Europe in the interwar period was also wracked by small wars as the newly created states carved out of the wreakage of WWI decided that they wanted/needed to gain their historic borders (naturally the historic borders from the zenith of their ancient Imperial periods), and the Balkens of the 1990s seems to have made the point yet again.

Does this mean your scenario is invalid, Kirkhill? Maybe not. Small nations like Denmark, the Netherlands and England have long histories, and Venice is still the longest lived Republic (they were an independent city state for @400 years, the United States is only 222 years old as a Republic). I suspect the real shape of stability is a mixture of sizes, similar to rock walls where small stones fit in the spaces between the larger ones. The United States, as a Federal Republic seems to have one of the best and more stable systems of governance for large geographical areas, so there are many models to choose from.
 
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Kirkhill said:
Yes but .... our separatists are bad. Their separatists are good. Surely?  ;)

Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from the current (July/August 2008) issue of Foreign Affairs, is an interesting Article with some of the same ”it’s OK when we do it but bad when they do” logic by   C Fred Bergsten of the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080701faessay87404/c-fred-bergsten/a-partnership-of-equals.html
A Partnership of Equals
How Washington Should Respond to China's Economic Challenge

C. Fred Bergsten

Summary:  Beijing is shirking its responsibilities to the global economy. To encourage better behavior, Washington should offer to share global economic leadership.

C. FRED BERGSTEN is Director of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. This essay is adapted from his forthcoming, co-authored book, China's Rise: Challenges and Opportunities (Peterson Institute and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, 2008).

To be an economic superpower, a country must be sufficiently large, dynamic, and globally integrated to have a major impact on the world economy. Three political entities currently qualify: the United States, the European Union, and China. Inducing China to become a responsible pillar of the global economic system (as the other two are) will be one of the great challenges of coming decades -- particularly since at the moment China seems uninterested in playing such a role.

The United States remains the world's largest national economy, the issuer of its key currency, and in most years the leading source and recipient of foreign investment. The EU now has an even larger economy and even greater trade flows with the outside world, and the euro increasingly competes with the dollar as a global currency. China, the newest member of the club, is smaller than the other two but is growing more quickly and is more deeply integrated into the global economy. Its dramatic expansion is therefore having a powerful effect on the rest of the world. (China is often paired with India in such discussions, but India's GDP is less than half of China's. The value of the annual growth of China's trade exceeds the total annual value of India's trade. China will dominate its Asian neighbor for the foreseeable future.)

China poses a unique challenge because it is still poor, significantly nonmarketized, and authoritarian. All three characteristics reduce the likelihood that it will easily accept the systemic responsibilities that should ideally accompany superpower status. The integration of China into the existing global economic order will thus be more difficult than was, say, the integration of Japan a generation ago. The United States and the EU would like to co-opt China by integrating it into the regime that they have built and defended over the last several decades. There are increasing signs, however, that China has a different objective. In numerous areas, it is pursuing strategies that conflict with existing norms, rules, and institutional arrangements.

Some take this lightly, viewing it as simply the usual free-riding and skirting of responsibility by a powerful newcomer cleverly exploiting the loopholes and weak enforcement of existing international rules to pursue its perceived national interests. After all, they say, even the United States and the EU do the same on occasion, as do other major emerging-market economies. And to be sure, there is no evidence that China's challenges to the current economic order derive from any cohesive or comprehensive strategy concocted by the country's political or intellectual leadership. Despite calls in Beijing for "a new international economic order" and talk of how a "Beijing consensus" might supplant the so-called Washington consensus, to date China's proposed alternative approaches do not add up to a revisionist challenge to the status quo.

Nevertheless, the situation is worrisome. Given its status as a powerful newcomer benefiting from an efficient economic order, China actually has a profound interest in seeing that the international rules and institutions function effectively. It should be trying to strengthen the system, whether the present version or an alternative version more to its liking.

Moreover, Chinese recalcitrance seems to be increasing rather than decreasing over time. At the outset of its economic reform process, in the late 1970s, China was eager to join (and to replace Taiwan in) the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank. These institutional ties subsequently played important, and apparently welcome, roles in China's early development success. Later, Beijing not only endured lengthy negotiations and an ever-expanding set of requirements in order to join the World Trade Organization (WTO) but also used the pro-market rules of that institution to overcome resistance to reform among die-hards inside China itself.

But a country's attitudes can change dramatically along with its circumstances. Russia, for example, was a supplicant for international capital and support after its bankruptcy in 1998 and with world oil prices near $20 a barrel, but it is aggressively pursuing a resumption of great-power status now that it has recovered and with oil over $100 a barrel. China appears to be undergoing a similar evolution, albeit with a more cautious leadership and an incremental style. It is also experiencing the same internal backlash against globalization as have the United States and many other countries. This attitudinal shift simply has to be reversed, even if doing so requires a fundamental adjustment of the international economic architecture.

TOWARD AN ASIAN BLOC?

On trade, China has been playing at best a passive and at worst a disruptive role. It makes no effort to hide its current preference for low-quality, politically motivated bilateral and regional trade arrangements rather than economically meaningful (and demanding) multilateral trade liberalization through the WTO. Since China is the world's largest surplus country and second-largest exporter, this poses two important challenges to the existing global regime.

First, China's refusal to contribute positively to the Doha Round of international trade negotiations has all but ensured the talks' failure. Beijing has declared that it should have no liberalization obligations whatsoever and has invented a new category of WTO membership ("recently acceded members") to justify its recalcitrance. Such a stance by a major trading power is akin to abstention and has practically guaranteed that the Doha negotiations will go nowhere. And since the global trading system does not stay in place, but is always moving either forward or backward, a collapse of the Doha Round would be quite serious: it would represent the first failure of a major multilateral trade negotiation in the postwar period and place the entire WTO system in jeopardy. China is not the only culprit in the Doha drama, of course. The United States and the EU have been unwilling to abandon their agricultural protectionism, other important emerging economies have been unwilling to meaningfully open their markets, and several poor countries have resisted contributing to a global package of reforms. But China, with its major stake in open trade, exhibits the sharpest contrast of all the major players between its objective interests and its revealed policy.

Second, China's pursuit of bilateral and regional trade agreements with neighboring countries is more about politics than economics. Its "free-trade agreement" with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), for example, covers only a small share of its commerce with the countries in question; it is simply an effort to calm their fears of being swamped by their huge neighbor. Again, it is true that the United States and other major trading powers also factor foreign policy considerations into their selections of partners for regional and bilateral trade agreements. But they also insist on economic standards that largely conform to the WTO's rules. China is able to escape legal application of those rules by continuing to declare itself a "developing country" and by taking advantage of "special and differential treatment." But for a major global trading power to hide behind such loopholes provokes substantial international strains.

China is also hurting the global trading system by supporting the creation of a loose but potent Asian trading bloc. The network of regional agreements that started with one between China and ASEAN has steadily expanded to include virtually all other possible Asian permutations: parallel Japanese-ASEAN and South Korean-ASEAN deals; various bilateral partnerships, including perhaps a Chinese-Indian one; a "10 + 3" arrangement that brings together the ten ASEAN countries and all three Northeast Asian countries, and possibly even a "10 + 6" agreement that would broaden the group to include Australia, India, and New Zealand. All this activity is likely to produce, within the next decade, an East Asian free-trade area led by China.

Such a regional grouping would almost certainly trigger a sharp backlash from the United States and the EU, as well as from numerous developing countries, because of its new discrimination against them. Even more important, it would create a tripolar global economic regime -- a configuration that could threaten existing global arrangements and multilateral cooperation.

China's challenges to the global trading system are most visible in its opposition to the U.S. proposal, launched at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in 2006, for a free-trade area of the Asia-Pacific. The APEC initiative, immediately endorsed by a number of those smaller member economies that fervently want to prevent trade conflict between the group's two superpowers, seeks to head off the looming confrontation between an Asia-only trading bloc and the United States, which could draw a line down the middle of the Pacific. The initiative would eventually consolidate the many preferential pacts in the Asia-Pacific region and offer an economically meaningful Plan B for widespread trade liberalization if the Doha Round definitively fails. China has led the opposition to the idea, demonstrating its preference for bilateral deals with minimal economic content and its lack of interest in trying to defend the broader trading order.

TRASHING THE IMF?

China's challenge to the international monetary order, meanwhile, is at least as serious. Alone among the world's major economies, China has rejected the adoption of a flexible exchange-rate policy, which would promote adjustment of its balance-of-payments position and avoid a buildup of large imbalances. Under IMF rules, China has the right to peg its currency -- but it does not have the right to intervene massively in the foreign exchange market, as it has for the past five years, to maintain a hugely undervalued yuan and thereby boost its international competitive position. This violates the most basic norms of the IMF's Articles of Agreement, which require members to "avoid manipulating exchange rates ... in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain unfair competitive advantage." It is also a violation of the IMF's implementing guidelines, which explicitly proscribe the use of "prolonged, large-scale one-way" interventions to maintain competitive undervaluation.

The results are unprecedented for a major trading country. China's current account surplus has reached 11-12 percent of its GDP. By next year, its annual global surplus could approach $500 billion, approximating the value of the U.S. current account deficit. Its hoard of foreign currency exceeds $1.6 trillion and is by far the world's largest. These imbalances and the unprecedented flow of international funds that they require could trigger a crash of the dollar and a "hard landing" for the global economy, severely compounding the current global financial crisis.

Previous surplus countries, notably Germany in the 1960s and 1970s and Japan in the 1970s and 1980s, have also resisted making necessary and inevitable adjustments to their currency pegs. But no earlier imbalances have ever approached the current Chinese one in terms of its share of the country's GDP. Moreover, all of these countries eventually agreed to conform to the international rules.

To date, however, China has resisted all entreaties to alter its behavior. Its announced move to "a managed floating exchange rate based on market supply and demand" in July 2005 has still not produced any significant rise in the trade-weighted value of its currency, despite the recent acceleration of the yuan's appreciation against the dollar, nor has it prevented continued huge surpluses in China's external accounts. The number of interventions in the currency markets that China has undertaken to block faster appreciation of the yuan has at least doubled since that time.

China has actually questioned the basic concept of international cooperation in dealing with these problems, claiming that a country's exchange rate is "an issue of national sovereignty" (rather than a quintessentially international concern in which foreign parties have an equal interest). It has objected even to the IMF's consideration of the issue. Its actions have raised an implicit threat that it might promote the creation of an Asian Monetary Fund, further eroding the global role of the IMF, and may seek a regional or even global role for its national currency over the long term. These monetary steps intensify the challenge to the global trading system because large exchange-rate misalignments are a potent stimulus for protectionism in deficit countries, as indicated at present by the numerous bills in Congress to address the China currency issue with trade sanctions.

On energy (China will shortly become the world's largest consumer of energy), the challenge China poses is less frontal, but only because there exists no body of agreed global doctrine, rules, and institutions. There are at least two conflicting energy regimes, the (periodically effective) producer cartel embodied in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and the (very loose and incomplete) consumer anticartel embodied in the International Energy Agency. China is creating problems for both with its drive to line up "secure sources of supply" through long-term contracts with selected producing countries. It is unwilling to rely solely, or even primarily, on market mechanisms, attempting to insure itself against both output interruptions by the producers and the market power of other large consumers.

Here, as elsewhere, China is hardly alone in its behavior. But as the driving force behind the single most important commodity market in the world, the country has a particular interest in (and responsibility for) forging systemic responses rather than trying to carve out exceptions and special privileges for itself. China appears to be either unaware of the abject failure of such strategies in the past or confident that its contemporary clout will suffice to sustain its contractual arrangements even in difficult periods, and it is pursuing such strategies with respect to other raw materials as well as oil and gas.

On foreign aid, China may have already become the largest national donor (depending on how "aid" is defined), and it is posing a direct challenge to prevailing norms by ignoring the types of conditionality that have evolved throughout the donor community over the past quarter century. Beijing rejects not only the social standards (on human rights, labor conditions, and the environment) that have become prevalent but also the basic economic standards (such as poverty alleviation and good governance) that virtually all bilateral and multilateral aid agencies now require as a matter of course. As with its trade and commodity pacts, China's "conditionality" on aid is almost wholly political: insistence that the recipient countries support China's positions on global issues, in the United Nations and elsewhere, and funnel their primary products to China as reliable suppliers.

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NEW RULES OF THE GAME

What these policies demonstrate is that China's international mindset has not kept pace with its breathtaking economic ascent. China continues to act like a small country with little impact on the global system at large and therefore little responsibility for it. Such a lag in perceptions is not difficult to understand, particularly as it regards a conservative leadership still following Deng Xiaoping's directive to maintain a low international profile. The central thrust of contemporary Chinese foreign policy is not to assume a large role in the world but to avoid international entanglements that could disrupt the country's ability to focus on its huge domestic challenges. Moreover, the speed at which China has risen is difficult for even the most experienced observers to comprehend. (The pattern is similar to the one that accompanied Japan's growth from the early 1970s into the 1980s, when its meteoric rise also triggered sharp global reactions, while Tokyo maintained a passive and reactive stance on almost all international issues.)

Even the strongest defenders of the current world trading system would concede that at least some of China's criticisms are valid. At best, the Doha Round will achieve only marginal liberalization of world trade after almost a decade of effort. The IMF has failed to enforce its own rules and is being forced to downsize. The World Bank has lost any clear direction. The G-7 (the group of highly industrialized states) has adopted a mutual nonaggression pact among its members, making its criticisms of outsiders such as China seem hypocritical. And by failing to adapt their governance structures to the dramatic changes in the relative economic power among nations, the international economic institutions have lost much of their legitimacy. The fact that some Chinese attitudes are understandable and some Chinese concerns legitimate does not lessen the significance of the challenge but rather suggests some of the logical components of an intelligent response.

To deal with the situation, Washington should make a subtle but basic change to its economic policy strategy toward Beijing. Instead of focusing on narrow bilateral problems, it should seek to develop a true partnership with Beijing so as to provide joint leadership of the global economic system. Only such a "G-2" approach will do justice, and be seen to do justice, to China's new role as a global economic superpower and hence as a legitimate architect and steward of the international economic order.

The present U.S. approach seeks to entice China to join the existing global economic order. Washington's fondness for the status quo is understandable given its basic success and the prominent role it accords Washington. But China is uncomfortable with the very notion of simply integrating into a system it had no role in developing. Both Chinese officials and Chinese scholars are actively discussing alternative structures for which China can be present at the creation. At one particularly contentious point in its negotiations to enter the WTO, the Chinese ambassador reportedly thundered, "We know we have to play the game your way now, but in ten years we will set the rules!" The existing system, moreover, has become increasingly sclerotic, and it might well be that the only way to overcome the enormous resistance to change (manifested in positions such as Europe's refusal to wind down its excessive quotas and give up some of its IMF executive-board seats) is to undertake a fundamental overhaul.

Current U.S. policy also purports to include tough enforcement measures to punish noncooperation: Washington has taken Beijing to the WTO for dispute settlement on a number of occasions and has tried to mobilize the IMF and the G-7 to penalize China for its undervalued currency. But Washington's criticism of Beijing has not been translated into any serious retaliatory pressure because too many Americans receive too many benefits from their actual or potential dealings with China for policymakers to jeopardize the relationship and because other key countries are also unwilling to confront China. Abandoning the present position and adopting a less confrontational approach might be the only way to persuade China to start cooperating.

THE BIG TWO

In part, the strategy proposed here would treat old issues in new ways, recasting conflicts as opportunities for progress. The United States and China could agree to construct their regional trade agreements in ways that support, rather than impede, subsequent multilateral liberalization -- and even permit eventual linkage between the regional bodies. Failures to offer significant new market-opening opportunities in the Doha Round would be addressed not as legitimate mercantilist behavior but as threats to the WTO that would jeopardize both countries' stake in an open world economy. Competitive currency misalignments would be treated as deviations from IMF norms that hurt all trading partners, especially poor countries. Washington would concede that its errant fiscal policy has contributed to the overvaluation of the dollar, just as Beijing would concede that undervaluation of the yuan has reflected inadequate Chinese internal demand and excessive government intervention. The United States could escort China into the International Energy Agency to help organize the response of consuming countries to high oil prices.

More far-reaching steps might involve the creation of new international norms and institutional arrangements to govern issue areas that are important but currently unregulated, such as global warming and sovereign wealth funds (SWFs). To date, China has steadfastly refused to even contemplate binding constraints on its greenhouse gas emissions. So has the United States, but that stance seems likely to change dramatically after the presidential election in November, no matter who wins. An emissions regime, however, may well lead to the installation of trade barriers in participating countries against carbon-intensive products from nonparticipating countries. Moreover, global warming cannot be seriously addressed without China, which has become the world's largest polluter. Unless Washington and Beijing find ways to cooperate in attacking the problem together, the result could be a trade war between them and little or no action on the environment.

China has already indicated some skepticism about the adoption of new international guidelines, even if voluntary and nonbinding, regarding the structure and investment activities of SWFs. But the United States is championing such codes in order to permit continued foreign investment and head off the risk of protectionist domestic reactions. Since the U.S. economy is especially dependent on Chinese capital, without some new agreement a frontal clash could develop over this issue, triggered either by China's rejection of proposed new guidelines or by the United States' rejection of Chinese investments in particularly sensitive areas.

Whether in dealing with old or new issues, the basic idea would be to develop a G-2 between the United States and China to steer the global governance process. Other major powers, such as the EU and, on some issues, Japan, would of course need to be deeply involved as well. The new rules, codes, or norms could frequently be implemented through existing multilateral institutions, such as the IMF and the WTO. Some of them might work better through new worldwide organizations created to deal with truly new issues, such as a global environmental organization to manage climate-change policy. But effective systemic defenses against international economic challenges in today's world must start with active cooperation between its two dominant economies, the United States and China.

Given other powers' sensitivities, of course, it would be impolitic for Washington and Beijing to use the term "G-2" publicly. But for the strategy to work, the United States would have to give true priority to China as its main partner in managing the world economy, to some extent displacing Europe. Nothing less is likely to attract China or engage the United States sufficiently to create the effective leadership that the world so desperately needs.

Some initial steps have already been taken in this direction. After I floated the idea of a G-2 in late 2004, Robert Zoellick, in his new capacity as deputy secretary of state, which he undertook in February 2005, launched initial discussions with Chinese counterparts. In 2007, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson escalated the engagement to what is now known as the U.S.-China Strategic Economic Dialogue, which involves the leaders of ten or so cabinet agencies in each country. The beginnings of an institutional framework for a working G-2 have thus already been put in place, and patterns of cooperation are already developing on topics such as the environment and international finance. But it is not nearly enough for China to be seen as a "responsible stakeholder." It must be seen, and accorded full rights, as a true leadership partner.

Such a relationship between a rich developed country and a poor developing one would be unprecedented in human history -- as is there being a poor economic superpower, which is what China is. There are enough examples of similar cooperation on specific issues, however, to suggest that converting U.S.-Chinese disputes into systemic management issues can be extremely effective. In the late 1970s, for example, the United States was applying countervailing duties to scores of Brazilian products because Brazil's export subsidies accounted for almost half the value of all of its foreign sales. A frontal assault on the subsidies was politically unacceptable in Brazil, but the two countries agreed to cooperate closely in negotiating a new subsidy code for the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (the precursor to the WTO): this agreement turned out to be simultaneously the linchpin of a successful Tokyo Round of trade talks, a basis for adding an injury clause to the U.S. countervailing-duty law, and a foundation for phasing out the Brazilian subsidy policy.

Are the United States and China ready for such a substantial reorientation? Washington would need to accept China as a true partner in managing global economic affairs, the development of an intimate working relationship with an Asian country rather than its traditional European allies, and constructive collaboration with an authoritarian political regime rather than a democracy. All these changes would pose substantial challenges for U.S. policymakers and would likely encounter domestic political resistance.

China is rapidly approaching a moment when its chosen strategy of integration into the world economy will force it to assume increased responsibility for the successful functioning of that economy. China's own interests, in other words, should lead it to accept an invitation from the United States to help steer the system in a mutually acceptable direction. The Chinese today are hotly debating whether their country should proceed unilaterally or work within the international system, and an offer of true partnership could tilt the outcome of that debate decisively and constructively, raising the possibility that China could continue its upward trajectory without provoking the clashes that previous rising powers have.

If China is reluctant to get too close to the United States -- say, because of continuing controversies over security issues -- alternative institutional arrangements are of course available. The EU could be a member from the outset of a G-3, a group of the current global economic superpowers. The new G-5, recently created by the IMF to conduct its intensified multilateral consultative process, which adds Japan and Saudi Arabia (to represent the oil producers) into the mix, is another possibility. The central need is to embrace China in the context of a new and effective leadership grouping in light of its critical role in the world economy and its legitimate desire to be engaged in systemic management at all relevant stages of the process.

Under seven successive presidents, the United States has chosen to engage, rather than confront, China, taking the eminently sensible view that provoking an unnecessary confrontation would be profoundly contrary to U.S. interests. Given the signs that China's economic advance will continue, the same logic suggests that Washington should make every effort to engage Beijing as a true partner in steering global economic affairs. At a minimum, creating a G-2 would limit the risk of bilateral disputes escalating and disrupting the U.S.-Chinese relationship and the broader global economy. At a maximum, it could start a process that might, over time, generate sufficient trust and mutual understanding to produce active cooperation on crucial issues.

Right now, the prospects of such active cooperation are uncertain. But in addition to their differences, the two countries share many common interests, and their global economic positions are converging rather than diverging. Developing a partnership of the sort outlined here will not be easy and will take much time and effort. But the issues at stake are so important that even partial success would be worthwhile, and the only way to gauge the idea's feasibility is to try it. The upcoming negotiations to create a global strategy to counter global warming offer a compelling opportunity for just such an experiment.


Bergsten notes, wholly correctly, that most of the criticisms he levies on China are equally applicable to the USA and the EU and that China’s criticisms of the IMF and WTO are valid. He also notes that in e.g. refusing to revalue its currency China is guilty of exactly what Germany and japan were doing a generation ago – but now it’s bad.

Firm dealing (by the US) with China in trade matters is also difficult because (Bergsten again):  ”provoking an unnecessary confrontation would be profoundly contrary to U.S. interests”.

If , somehow, punishing China for its (perceived) disdain for the Euro-American gobal trade system is too difficult then the alternative is partnership.

Bergsten’s idea of a G2 – in which America and China ”steer the global [trade and commerce] [/i]governance process”[/i] is bold and good but, as Bergsten himself notes, it will be difficult to implement because:

”Washington would need to accept China as a true partner in managing global economic affairs”;

”China is reluctant to get too close to the United States”; and

• Europe, Japan, Brazil, India and others, including Canada, would be reluctant, to say the least, to allow a G2 to run things.
 
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