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Yes, but it makes us fatties feel like we're doing something to mitigate the 9 piece family meal and quart of slaw from KFC.
Canada's First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, etc. (merged)
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Jarnhamar
Army.ca Myth
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They sound like children. It looks like the care more about making the government loose face with this concession and that concession, than helping anyone.
It's vital that a mayor the size of a small village attends because she mismanaged millions of dollars and committed a HUGE fuck off conflict of interest hiring her boyfriend to get his hands dirty with the money mismanagement? We totally need her at that meeting I'm sure she has LOTS to contribute. She's clearly worried about her people.
Pay no attention to how fast they closed the castle gates and bullied away the media (who previously they couldn't speak to enough) when that audit was published.
I hope Canadians read between the lines with all the bullshit threats about attacking the economy and warriors rising up and the guy from the CBC link above blatantly saying violence is an option.
Hopefully if violence erupts our police forces won't take their cue from the Sarnia police.
It's vital that a mayor the size of a small village attends because she mismanaged millions of dollars and committed a HUGE fuck off conflict of interest hiring her boyfriend to get his hands dirty with the money mismanagement? We totally need her at that meeting I'm sure she has LOTS to contribute. She's clearly worried about her people.
Pay no attention to how fast they closed the castle gates and bullied away the media (who previously they couldn't speak to enough) when that audit was published.
I hope Canadians read between the lines with all the bullshit threats about attacking the economy and warriors rising up and the guy from the CBC link above blatantly saying violence is an option.
Hopefully if violence erupts our police forces won't take their cue from the Sarnia police.
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I think the PM has outsmarted everyone yet again. He has gauged the situation nd allowed the protesters and Cheif Spence to beclown themselves enough to neutralize anyone who wants to play the "race" card before moving in to undercut INM and strengthen the native reformers. He and the GG have set up a meeting in such a style that everyone (who counts) will get something (Edward has the entire scenario laid out upthread) and go home with a much better position to work from.
Oddly, Thomas Mulcair has also shown some good political instincts. Being perceptive enough to recognize Chief Spense and the INM for what they are, he has allowed some members of his caucus to weigh in, but has been relatively mute himself, staying well clear of the splatter and so will not have spent political capital on a worthless cause. The Liberals have shown no such restraint, including both Mr Dithers and the Young Dauphin in a parade of useful idiots. More fun filled sound bites ready and waiting for the CPC attack machine....
Oddly, Thomas Mulcair has also shown some good political instincts. Being perceptive enough to recognize Chief Spense and the INM for what they are, he has allowed some members of his caucus to weigh in, but has been relatively mute himself, staying well clear of the splatter and so will not have spent political capital on a worthless cause. The Liberals have shown no such restraint, including both Mr Dithers and the Young Dauphin in a parade of useful idiots. More fun filled sound bites ready and waiting for the CPC attack machine....
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:violin: For Spency Boo Boo.
the First Nations attack the economy? With what? "We won't let you buy our tobacco or our gas and alcohol anymore eh, oh and no casino's either"
They've already been "attacking" our economy for a very long time with the extortion. They're like leeches, or ticks. Thing is once a leech or a tick get full they drop off and go on their merry way.
In a way I hope the Harper government tells them "No more money to the reservations, Get out, you're Canadian like everyone else. Assimilate into society like every other Canadian, immigrant or born here" and that's that. They want "Equality" they need to give up their little pie in the sky view on things and the reservations.
I really hope this wakes the general Canadian public up. The Natives want to be the Pigs in the barnyard. I don't think that is able to happen.
the First Nations attack the economy? With what? "We won't let you buy our tobacco or our gas and alcohol anymore eh, oh and no casino's either"
They've already been "attacking" our economy for a very long time with the extortion. They're like leeches, or ticks. Thing is once a leech or a tick get full they drop off and go on their merry way.
In a way I hope the Harper government tells them "No more money to the reservations, Get out, you're Canadian like everyone else. Assimilate into society like every other Canadian, immigrant or born here" and that's that. They want "Equality" they need to give up their little pie in the sky view on things and the reservations.
I really hope this wakes the general Canadian public up. The Natives want to be the Pigs in the barnyard. I don't think that is able to happen.
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Crantor said:
Yeah that. Sorry.
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Chief Thud and company are seeing more and more bad press. Just today the CP did a story about the boyfriend's financial woes and the fact that he has zero education to back up his claims of being a financial manager mangler.
Speaking of Ford, was it not one solitary complaint that got the wheels rolling to unass him from office? Then why in the fuck won't legions of complaints about Thud get something done? Perhaps those wheels are turning already. They should be.
Speaking of Ford, was it not one solitary complaint that got the wheels rolling to unass him from office? Then why in the fuck won't legions of complaints about Thud get something done? Perhaps those wheels are turning already. They should be.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/03/14/ns-shubenacadie-first-nation-election-report-108.html
It took that story for
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/161812-ex-council-member-elected-as-shubenacadie-band-chief This to happen.
It can be done...this bad press is exactly what they need.
It took that story for
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/161812-ex-council-member-elected-as-shubenacadie-band-chief This to happen.
It can be done...this bad press is exactly what they need.
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Funny, I went to high school with Tommy. He's a good guy and is really concerned for his band members. I also know a few of the others named in the stories and there are one or two who I wouldn't piss on were they on fire.
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The banner image for today's issue of the Kingston Whig Standard was an INM protest. Then, above the fold, is a photo of a new A/SLt and one of the first to participate in the ALOY program at RMC with an article. Thankfully the Whig did not sully this woman's accomplishments by throwing in comparisons or comments on the current political unrest.
Supposedly there were 8 grads in this first group by the way.
Supposedly there were 8 grads in this first group by the way.
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Part 1
From Dec 2011.
Interesting to say the least. I have previously read several reports of contracts between De Beers and the community. Contrarily, reports speak of unemployment, no opportunities/businesses (although Global News got kicked out of the "Hotel").
So what are these contracts for, who's businesses are these, how many are employed? Where is the money? Who got it? Tax free I am presuming.
The guy who wrote this is currently listed in the Toronto office of De Beers.
http://www.netnewsledger.com/2011/12/01/attawapiskat-what-is-de-beers-doing-to-help/
Attawapiskat – What is De Beers doing to help?
in Aboriginal News / by James Murray / on December 1, 2011
ATTAWAPISKAT – Many have questioned what De Beers, who are operating the Victor Diamond Mine near Attawapiskat are doing in the community to help out during the crisis. A NetNewsledger.com reader has shared an email received from the company.
Here is the contents of that message:
Like you – we have concerns about the housing situation in Attawapiskat First Nation, as the largest portion of our workforce comes from the community, which is a fly-in/fly-out community located 90 kilometres from the mine. Our company maintains a presence in the community with a two-person office (where I’m currently working from) and a training facility where we fly our training team in to conduct regular training programs with community members.
To help with some background on our activities in the community, the Victor Mine was originally discovered in 1987. Since then, we have been working with the community through the various stages of exploration, advanced exploration, the feasibility study, the environmental assessment, construction starting in 2006 then operations starting in July 2008. At each stage of that development, a variety of agreements were put in place with the community to ensure their participation and local benefits.
In November 2005 after three years of negotiation, a comprehensive Impact Benefit Agreement (IBA) was reached between De Beers Canada and Attawapiskat First Nation. That agreement includes specific compensation and protocols to ensure Attawapiskat First Nation is the primary beneficiary of benefits available during the construction, operation and closure of the Victor Mine. Compensation includes items such as training, employment, business opportunities and direct financial compensation.
The agreement also outlines our requirements and commitments in non-financial areas such as the environment and local cultural activities and practices. This agreement was voted on and ratified by the community in November 2005 before we began the construction of the Victor Mine.
Under the IBA, a series of joint management committees were established to oversee the execution of the agreement.
In 2009, a sewage backup in Attawapiskat displaced nearly 100 people. Although we had only been in operation for one year, we flew crews and project managers into the community at our expense to reconfigure previously donated multi-unit trailers into emergency housing for those displaced by the situation. These trailers are the same type still being used today by a number of our own employees at our mine, which is also fly-in/fly-out.
Working with the community over a period of a couple of weeks, we were able to complete that project just before the first snow. The value of the trailers combined with the costs to deliver them to the community, redesign and install them totaled more than $3 million – a cost covered by De Beers Canada.In 2009/2010, De Beers Canada funded consultant work on behalf of Attawapiskat First Nation so the community could undertake a comprehensive study into their housing situation.
This work included identifying the housing needs and deficiencies as well as the development of a plan for the community to address its housing shortage.
Our understanding is that this was later submitted by Attawapiskat First Nation to the federal government.These two major activities were over and above the formal commitments we have in our IBA.
De Beers Canada is continuing to work with the community through the IBA to ensure we maximize benefits to the community.
Since the start of construction, over $325 million in contracts have been awarded to solely owned or joint venture companies run by the community.
Just this year alone, contracts awarded to the community total $51 million. Earlier in this note I referred to the training facility we are operating in the community.
In fact, this was the second training facility that we constructed and donated to the community at a combined cost of almost $2 million. The community runs the other facility. Every year for more than five years, we have been purchasing and delivering new books to every child in the community from kindergarten to Grade 12 as part of a program to grow literacy and education levels in the community.
We also have in place a scholarship program. In support of the efforts for a new school, we donated project trailers, helped the community review a design proposal and offered our project management expertise.
These efforts can help reduce some of the key start-up costs in the construction of a new school. Although the Victor Mine is a small mine by both physical size and production (in fact it is the smallest diamond mine in Canada with the shortest life-of-mine of the four existing diamond mines in Canada), we are proud of the commitment of our team to all of our community partners – including Attawapiskat First Nation – in just three years of operation.
I hope this information is helpful to you and provides you some assurance that De Beers Canada is committed to maximizing the benefits for our community partners in Attawapiskat First Nation and across the country in our other areas of operation.
Since the earliest stages of our relationship, the community has made it quite clear to us that our role is not to become involved in matters that are under the jurisdiction of the community and other levels of government. When community issues arise outside the IBA or our direct responsibility such as housing, we will continue to work with our partners to play whatever support role our resources and expertise allow.
Tom Ormsby
Director, External & Corporate Affairs
De Beers Canada
From Dec 2011.
Interesting to say the least. I have previously read several reports of contracts between De Beers and the community. Contrarily, reports speak of unemployment, no opportunities/businesses (although Global News got kicked out of the "Hotel").
So what are these contracts for, who's businesses are these, how many are employed? Where is the money? Who got it? Tax free I am presuming.
The guy who wrote this is currently listed in the Toronto office of De Beers.
http://www.netnewsledger.com/2011/12/01/attawapiskat-what-is-de-beers-doing-to-help/
Attawapiskat – What is De Beers doing to help?
in Aboriginal News / by James Murray / on December 1, 2011
ATTAWAPISKAT – Many have questioned what De Beers, who are operating the Victor Diamond Mine near Attawapiskat are doing in the community to help out during the crisis. A NetNewsledger.com reader has shared an email received from the company.
Here is the contents of that message:
Like you – we have concerns about the housing situation in Attawapiskat First Nation, as the largest portion of our workforce comes from the community, which is a fly-in/fly-out community located 90 kilometres from the mine. Our company maintains a presence in the community with a two-person office (where I’m currently working from) and a training facility where we fly our training team in to conduct regular training programs with community members.
To help with some background on our activities in the community, the Victor Mine was originally discovered in 1987. Since then, we have been working with the community through the various stages of exploration, advanced exploration, the feasibility study, the environmental assessment, construction starting in 2006 then operations starting in July 2008. At each stage of that development, a variety of agreements were put in place with the community to ensure their participation and local benefits.
In November 2005 after three years of negotiation, a comprehensive Impact Benefit Agreement (IBA) was reached between De Beers Canada and Attawapiskat First Nation. That agreement includes specific compensation and protocols to ensure Attawapiskat First Nation is the primary beneficiary of benefits available during the construction, operation and closure of the Victor Mine. Compensation includes items such as training, employment, business opportunities and direct financial compensation.
The agreement also outlines our requirements and commitments in non-financial areas such as the environment and local cultural activities and practices. This agreement was voted on and ratified by the community in November 2005 before we began the construction of the Victor Mine.
Under the IBA, a series of joint management committees were established to oversee the execution of the agreement.
In 2009, a sewage backup in Attawapiskat displaced nearly 100 people. Although we had only been in operation for one year, we flew crews and project managers into the community at our expense to reconfigure previously donated multi-unit trailers into emergency housing for those displaced by the situation. These trailers are the same type still being used today by a number of our own employees at our mine, which is also fly-in/fly-out.
Working with the community over a period of a couple of weeks, we were able to complete that project just before the first snow. The value of the trailers combined with the costs to deliver them to the community, redesign and install them totaled more than $3 million – a cost covered by De Beers Canada.In 2009/2010, De Beers Canada funded consultant work on behalf of Attawapiskat First Nation so the community could undertake a comprehensive study into their housing situation.
This work included identifying the housing needs and deficiencies as well as the development of a plan for the community to address its housing shortage.
Our understanding is that this was later submitted by Attawapiskat First Nation to the federal government.These two major activities were over and above the formal commitments we have in our IBA.
De Beers Canada is continuing to work with the community through the IBA to ensure we maximize benefits to the community.
Since the start of construction, over $325 million in contracts have been awarded to solely owned or joint venture companies run by the community.
Just this year alone, contracts awarded to the community total $51 million. Earlier in this note I referred to the training facility we are operating in the community.
In fact, this was the second training facility that we constructed and donated to the community at a combined cost of almost $2 million. The community runs the other facility. Every year for more than five years, we have been purchasing and delivering new books to every child in the community from kindergarten to Grade 12 as part of a program to grow literacy and education levels in the community.
We also have in place a scholarship program. In support of the efforts for a new school, we donated project trailers, helped the community review a design proposal and offered our project management expertise.
These efforts can help reduce some of the key start-up costs in the construction of a new school. Although the Victor Mine is a small mine by both physical size and production (in fact it is the smallest diamond mine in Canada with the shortest life-of-mine of the four existing diamond mines in Canada), we are proud of the commitment of our team to all of our community partners – including Attawapiskat First Nation – in just three years of operation.
I hope this information is helpful to you and provides you some assurance that De Beers Canada is committed to maximizing the benefits for our community partners in Attawapiskat First Nation and across the country in our other areas of operation.
Since the earliest stages of our relationship, the community has made it quite clear to us that our role is not to become involved in matters that are under the jurisdiction of the community and other levels of government. When community issues arise outside the IBA or our direct responsibility such as housing, we will continue to work with our partners to play whatever support role our resources and expertise allow.
Tom Ormsby
Director, External & Corporate Affairs
De Beers Canada
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Part 2
From Dec 2011
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/in-attawapiskat-deep-rooted-problems-wont-disappear-in-an-instant/article4201581/?page=all
Exerts from the above article:
From Dec 2011
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/in-attawapiskat-deep-rooted-problems-wont-disappear-in-an-instant/article4201581/?page=all
Exerts from the above article:
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Strike said:
That's a great story, Strike; thanks for sharing it. She is, certainly, a good example of what young aboriginals can accomplish with only a wee bit of help from the system.
It's also the first I've heard of ALOY.
Good catch on both counts.
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Was able to find an online version.
http://www.thewhig.com/2013/01/10/new-officer-a-first-for-canadian-forces
And then something to temper the good news in town. :
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130111-091643.html
http://www.thewhig.com/2013/01/10/new-officer-a-first-for-canadian-forces
And then something to temper the good news in town. :
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130111-091643.html
Former AFN chief Mercredi on last-ditch effort to broaden First Nations meeting
By: Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press
Article Link
4:39 PM
OTTAWA - A serene hope enveloped Ovide Mercredi as he led two fellow aboriginal chiefs to the office of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's right-hand man on Wednesday night.
Less than 48 hours later, however, Mercredi would be filled with bitter disappointment at a government that he says was lacking the simple common sense to avoid embittering aboriginal people from coast to coast.
Mercredi, the former national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, Metis activist Perry Bellegarde and British Columbia Regional Chief Jody Wilson-Raybould met for more than an hour with Harper's chief of staff Nigel Wright in an effort to open the meeting up.
They were unsuccessful.
Mercredi offered details Friday of the behind-the-scenes wrangling that led to the meeting between Harper and a much smaller than envisioned group of native leaders, behind the closed doors of his Langevin Block office.
Mercredi said Friday's demonstrations and the outrage that underlies them all could have been avoided had Harper simply agreed to a modest proposal to open the meeting, and allow Gov.-Gen. David Johnston to attend at least part of it.
"If they cannot make a compromise on the logistics of a meeting, what faith do we have in them responding to the issues facing aboriginal people in Canada?" he told The Canadian Press.
"It's a reflection of what we can expect from this government."
Shortly after their arrival Monday in Ottawa, the three chiefs were tasked by AFN leadership with approaching the Prime Minister's Office and getting a workable agenda for the meeting.
They were mindful of the demands of Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence, but as Mercredi recalled it, the three chiefs were intent on finding common ground with Harper's PMO and arranging a meeting that their membership could live with.
"There was a lot of opposition to attending a meeting where not all the chiefs would be included, also where the agenda was predetermined," he said.
"So we had a big discussion about crafting our agenda, together with the government and getting a process that would be inclusive, but also the governor general would be present."
At 9 p.m. on Wednesday night, the three chiefs started their meeting in Wright's office with that hope still burning.
The government side did make some concessions, said Grand Chief Doug Kelly of the First Nations Summit in British Columbia. They agreed to open up the agenda beyond treaty negotiations and economic development, as originally proposed, and entertain discussion about housing, murdered and missing women and the impact on the environment of Harper's budget bills.
But the PMO wouldn't budge on the structure of the meeting — a crucial point for many of the bands from central Ontario and Manitoba whose treaties were signed by a representative of the Queen.
"We were trying to impress upon the government to include the Governor General in the meeting. And also to make it more open by having it televised. And but also we expressed for it to be inclusive," Mercredi recalled.
Wright listened attentively in what was a cordial, respectful discussion that wrapped at 10:15 p.m.
"We were told this would be taken to the prime minister and we would know the results the next day," Mercredi said.
But when Thursday came, the full contingent of AFN chiefs was stunned. A separate meeting with the Governor General — at his residence and in the evening after the meeting with Harper — was not what they had in mind.
"So, I was given a mandate to go back and try to secure a meeting with Nigel and a few other people."
At 2 p.m. Thursday, Mercredi picked up the phone.
"I placed a call to Nigel. He didn't take it. I left a message with his secretary to call me. He didn't call me back."
They waited two hours, and Mercredi called back.
This time, Wright came on the line.
"I had a discussion with him about how it is important for them to open up the meeting. And if they didn't, it would not be very positive. Likely many people wouldn't attend. It would create a real bad feeling across the country," said Mercredi.
"He said, 'No, the government has agreed to this and we're going to proceed as planned. We agreed to have the Governor General meet separately. And the other meeting will stay as it is.'"
A few hours later, early Thursday evening, Mercredi took the podium for 10 minutes at the AFN's hotel in downtown Ottawa. He broke the news to the chiefs behind closed doors.
The room erupted in outrage.
"They weren't mad at me. They tried to send me to get a better meeting. They were mad at the government (for) not listening," said Mercredi.
"That's the reason why people are out there protesting, because the government is not listening."
More on link
By: Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press
Article Link
4:39 PM
OTTAWA - A serene hope enveloped Ovide Mercredi as he led two fellow aboriginal chiefs to the office of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's right-hand man on Wednesday night.
Less than 48 hours later, however, Mercredi would be filled with bitter disappointment at a government that he says was lacking the simple common sense to avoid embittering aboriginal people from coast to coast.
Mercredi, the former national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, Metis activist Perry Bellegarde and British Columbia Regional Chief Jody Wilson-Raybould met for more than an hour with Harper's chief of staff Nigel Wright in an effort to open the meeting up.
They were unsuccessful.
Mercredi offered details Friday of the behind-the-scenes wrangling that led to the meeting between Harper and a much smaller than envisioned group of native leaders, behind the closed doors of his Langevin Block office.
Mercredi said Friday's demonstrations and the outrage that underlies them all could have been avoided had Harper simply agreed to a modest proposal to open the meeting, and allow Gov.-Gen. David Johnston to attend at least part of it.
"If they cannot make a compromise on the logistics of a meeting, what faith do we have in them responding to the issues facing aboriginal people in Canada?" he told The Canadian Press.
"It's a reflection of what we can expect from this government."
Shortly after their arrival Monday in Ottawa, the three chiefs were tasked by AFN leadership with approaching the Prime Minister's Office and getting a workable agenda for the meeting.
They were mindful of the demands of Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence, but as Mercredi recalled it, the three chiefs were intent on finding common ground with Harper's PMO and arranging a meeting that their membership could live with.
"There was a lot of opposition to attending a meeting where not all the chiefs would be included, also where the agenda was predetermined," he said.
"So we had a big discussion about crafting our agenda, together with the government and getting a process that would be inclusive, but also the governor general would be present."
At 9 p.m. on Wednesday night, the three chiefs started their meeting in Wright's office with that hope still burning.
The government side did make some concessions, said Grand Chief Doug Kelly of the First Nations Summit in British Columbia. They agreed to open up the agenda beyond treaty negotiations and economic development, as originally proposed, and entertain discussion about housing, murdered and missing women and the impact on the environment of Harper's budget bills.
But the PMO wouldn't budge on the structure of the meeting — a crucial point for many of the bands from central Ontario and Manitoba whose treaties were signed by a representative of the Queen.
"We were trying to impress upon the government to include the Governor General in the meeting. And also to make it more open by having it televised. And but also we expressed for it to be inclusive," Mercredi recalled.
Wright listened attentively in what was a cordial, respectful discussion that wrapped at 10:15 p.m.
"We were told this would be taken to the prime minister and we would know the results the next day," Mercredi said.
But when Thursday came, the full contingent of AFN chiefs was stunned. A separate meeting with the Governor General — at his residence and in the evening after the meeting with Harper — was not what they had in mind.
"So, I was given a mandate to go back and try to secure a meeting with Nigel and a few other people."
At 2 p.m. Thursday, Mercredi picked up the phone.
"I placed a call to Nigel. He didn't take it. I left a message with his secretary to call me. He didn't call me back."
They waited two hours, and Mercredi called back.
This time, Wright came on the line.
"I had a discussion with him about how it is important for them to open up the meeting. And if they didn't, it would not be very positive. Likely many people wouldn't attend. It would create a real bad feeling across the country," said Mercredi.
"He said, 'No, the government has agreed to this and we're going to proceed as planned. We agreed to have the Governor General meet separately. And the other meeting will stay as it is.'"
A few hours later, early Thursday evening, Mercredi took the podium for 10 minutes at the AFN's hotel in downtown Ottawa. He broke the news to the chiefs behind closed doors.
The room erupted in outrage.
"They weren't mad at me. They tried to send me to get a better meeting. They were mad at the government (for) not listening," said Mercredi.
"That's the reason why people are out there protesting, because the government is not listening."
More on link
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Explaining the mess: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2088643359001
Six minutes warning of the trouble ahead with the full support of the media party.
And a couple more from Ezra Levant: http://jr2020.blogspot.com/search/label/Ezra%20Levant
Including some of the audit details.
Six minutes warning of the trouble ahead with the full support of the media party.
And a couple more from Ezra Levant: http://jr2020.blogspot.com/search/label/Ezra%20Levant
Including some of the audit details.
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Brihard said:
Well played, well played.
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