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Canada/US Border Integrity Thread

That's a busy border...


Enforcement​

40,546 seizures<a href="2024 CBSA Year in review: Accomplishments by the numbers"><span>Footnote</span>3</a>, including:

  • 604 seizures for a total of 853 firearms seized
  • 7,132 seizures for a total of 15,637 weapons seized
  • 24,426illegal drugs seizures
    • Cocaine (including coca leaves, coca paste, cocaine and cocaine crack): 3,955 kilograms
    • Heroin: 37 kilograms
    • Fentanyl: 4.9 kilograms
    • Other opioids (including opium, methadone, morphine and morphine base): 237 kilograms
    • Other drugs, narcotics and chemicals: 21,457 kilograms
  • 14,842 cannabis seizures totaling 15,000 kilograms
  • 1,656 tobacco seizures totaling 547,392 kilograms
  • 58 child pornography seizures

Firearms (details)​

  • Total firearms seized: 853
  • Total firearms seizures: 604

2024 CBSA Year in review: Accomplishments by the numbers

Summary of the accomplishments of the Canada Border Services Agency in 2023 by showing statistics and numbers.
www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
 
daftandbarmy said:
CAF: Officially jealous as hell of the RCMP ;)


EXCLUSIVE: A first look at Black Hawk helicopters to patrol Canada’s borders​



globalnews.ca

EXCLUSIVE: A first look at Black Hawk helicopters to patrol Canada’s borders - National | Globalnews.ca

The West Block's Mercedes Stephenson takes a look at the new Black Hawk helicopters that are being prepared for use on Canada's border patrols.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
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Mercedes: “You certainly have a big, impressive capability there”

RCMP officer: grins

I LOLed.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
You realize his wish to buy Greenland, as with Canada and Panama, has already borne fruit. Denmark has entered into discussions about the US using tactical areas of Greenland. That was accomplished with the simple sales tactic of coming in really high and leaving room to negotiate down. The US already has use of Canada’s north for security purposes, nothing wrong with expanding that. Considering Canada is completely incapable of providing that sovereign security ourselves, and likely never will. There is no political will. Not to mention the coziness our government seems to have with Red China up there (and everywhere else). That should be considered a global concern. Before we bring the cannon in Kingston back into serviceable condition, it behooves the smart person to not panic and at least listen to what the other side has to say. I, myself, would like to see a much stronger economic union with an end goal of true free trade. We'll never know if we don't listen and instead put on the blinders while singing Oh Canada.

Like Mr Wonderful says. You need to separate the noise from the signal.

Like Denmark/Greenland did.
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daftandbarmy said:
But they're not owner/operators - they're 'renting' it ;)
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Hopefully they got people qualified to fly/maintain them.
 
dimsum said:
That’s the thing though - my lay understanding is that there’s common sense, then there’s law which (in the Common law sense) is based on precedent. The two aren’t necessarily the same.

Slightly different example: At work, sometimes I send things to our JAG office for review. If it’s correct, the response is “no legal objection”. Now, perhaps there are other objections they would want to put in, but legally it’s fine.
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Re Common Law and Precedent:

Is Precedent confining or enabling?

My understanding would suggest that Precedent is enabling. If a new precedent is established it doesn't necessarily invalidate the prior law. It presents another option for the lawyers to put before the judges for a decision.

Those people that argue that law prior to 1982 is irrelevant, in my understanding, don't really grok Common Law and the long trail of decisions that predates, and precedes, the Magna Carta.
 
Kirkhill said:
Re Common Law and Precedent:

Is Precedent confining or enabling?

My understanding would suggest that Precedent is enabling. If a new precedent is established it doesn't necessarily invalidate the prior law. It presents another option for the lawyers to put before the judges for a decision.

Those people that argue that law prior to 1982 is irrelevant, in my understanding, don't really grok Common Law and the long trail of decisions that predates, and precedes, the Magna Carta.
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Precedent is both. It establishes parameters where they previously lacked, and where doubt exists. Those parameters might be “yes, you’re good to do this”, or they might be “no, this particular set of circumstances (and reasonably analogous ones) run afoul of this or that larger principle”.

1982’s Constitution Act, inclusive of the Charter, certainly has had a huge impact. The relevance of pre-1982 jurisprudence needs to be assessed in large part by determining whether any of the newly constitutionalists provisions ‘overwrite’ past precedent. You see Rome of this in late 80s and onwards SCC criminal jurisprudence.

Much of our written and unwritten conventional constitutional law and practice carried on as they did since 1867, as 1982 didn’t fundamentally alter much in our branches or levels of government or their powers.
 
Kirkhill said:
Re Common Law and Precedent:

Is Precedent confining or enabling?

My understanding would suggest that Precedent is enabling. If a new precedent is established it doesn't necessarily invalidate the prior law. It presents another option for the lawyers to put before the judges for a decision.

Those people that argue that law prior to 1982 is irrelevant, in my understanding, don't really grok Common Law and the long trail of decisions that predates, and precedes, the Magna Carta.
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I suppose it can be both depending on the circumstances of each case and where a given position stands. The Jordan decision on pre-trial time limits could be considered both confining to the Crown and enabling to the accused.

The Charter didn't make existing law irrelevant but did change the lens through which it is viewed. Some have survived intact, some have survived but are now interpreted differently and some were determined to be simply non-compliant.
 
suffolkowner said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1881460423263985718

going to ratchet things up
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I’ve been watching this for a while waiting to see what firms up. Border officer shot seems confirmed. Officer killed, suspect killed, and suspect immigration overstay have been reported in Twitter but I’ve yet to follow any thread successfully to an actual attribution (and I’ve search several). It absolutely could be the cases, but be cautious about what you’re taking to the bank for now.

With that said, I absolutely expect an increase in really bad confrontations related to increased border enforcement. That will probably affect both American law enforcement and our own.

I hope the reports of an officer killed are incorrect…
 
suffolkowner said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1881460423263985718

going to ratchet things up
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brihard said:
I’ve been watching this for a while waiting to see what firms up. Border officer shot seems confirmed. Officer killed, suspect killed, and suspect immigration overstay have been reported in Twitter but I’ve yet to follow any thread successfully to an actual attribution (and I’ve search several). It absolutely could be the cases, but be cautious about what you’re taking to the bank for now.

With that said, I absolutely expect an increase in really bad confrontations related to increased border enforcement. That will probably affect both American law enforcement and our own.

I hope the reports of an officer killed are incorrect…
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Crap. Looks like the initial reports of a Border Patrol officer killed were accurate. One suspect dead as well. Traffic stop in Vermont not far south of the border; doesn’t say which way they were headed.

US Border Patrol agent killed in Vermont traffic stop: DHS | Fox News

A United States Border Agent was shot and killed during a traffic stop in Vermont near the Northern border, Fox News has confirmed.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
brihard said:
Crap. Looks like the initial reports of a Border Patrol officer killed were accurate. One suspect dead as well. Traffic stop in Vermont not far south of the border; doesn’t say which way they were headed.

US Border Patrol agent killed in Vermont traffic stop: DHS | Fox News

A United States Border Agent was shot and killed during a traffic stop in Vermont near the Northern border, Fox News has confirmed.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Dammit! R.I.P., agent.

The location given in the a local news article is about 30 minutes south of the Canadian port of entry (POE) of Stanstead, QC on I 91. This is not far from Sherbrooke, QC, southeast of Montréal.
 
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