Brad/Chelsea Manning: Charged w/AFG file leak, Cdn angles, disposition (merged)

[The Bread Guy]

Happy now?

• "Harvard dean rescinds Chelsea Manning’s visiting fellow invitation, calling it a ‘mistake’ " (Washington Post)
• "Statement from Dean Elmendorf regarding the invitation to Chelsea Manning to be a Visiting Fellow" (Harvard statement)
• Manning's response via Twitter attached

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Yes

 

[Rifleman62]

Happy now?

• "Harvard dean rescinds Chelsea Manning’s visiting fellow invitation, calling it a ‘mistake’ " (Washington Post)
• "Statement from Dean Elmendorf regarding the invitation to Chelsea Manning to be a Visiting Fellow" (Harvard statement)
• Manning's response via Twitter attached

I was just posting a news item. If Harvard or any other place wants to hire her, so be it. Just don't think, IMHO, that Ms Manning qualifies as a "Fellow" or agree with your obligatory post to counter my news post.

 

[NavalMoose]

"Fellow"?....she's not even a chap

 

[Jarnhamar]

As a trans woman, she advocates for queer and transgender rights as @xychelsea on Twitter.

What rights exactly is she advocating for?  Maybe one day queer and transgendered will be able to vote or get married in the US?

 

[NavalMoose]

:rofl:

 

[Blackadder1916]

What rights exactly is she advocating for?  Maybe one day queer and transgendered will be able to vote or get married in the US?

Probably something more immediately pressing to most individuals . . . to take a piss in an appropriate, comfortable venue without some arsehole claiming the world will end.  Or the most significant positive (to her perspective) outcome of her legal challenges to the US government, the acceptance (however short lived) that transgender individuals could serve in the US military and that health care to deal with consequences of that would be provided.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Probably something more immediately pressing to most individuals . . . to take a piss in an appropriate, comfortable venue

Salient point there. When I think of rights I usually think of second amendment, constitution typs stuff but your example is a good one as any.

It's too bad she didn't think of individuals rights before she committed treason but maybe this is a way to make amends or something.


without some arsehole claiming the world will end.  Or the most significant positive (to her perspective) outcome of her legal challenges to the US government, the acceptance (however short lived) that transgender individuals could serve in the US military and that health care to deal with consequences of that would be provided.
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[The Bread Guy]

Any legal beagles:  would what Chelsea served time for in the U.S. be considered treason here or something closer to sharing secret info here?  Either way, I'm more than OK with her not being allowed in, but wouldn't mind hearing from those knowing more about the CCC than I do.

Chelsea Manning says she's been denied entry into Canada
Manning was convicted on charges under the U.S. Espionage Act and served 7 years in military prison

Chelsea Manning, the controversial former U.S. intelligence analyst who was convicted in the largest breach of classified information in U.S. history, says she been denied entry into Canada.

On Monday, Manning tweeted* that she's been "permanently banned" from entering Canada. She included a picture of a letter that appears to alert the minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship that Manning has not been authorized to enter Canada and is "inadmissible" due to her prior convictions ...

* - Tweet & photo of letter from GoC attached.

 

[ModlrMike]

I'm inclined to agree with the Minister here.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Here is what our Criminal code, art 46(2)(b) states, Milnews:

46 (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,

(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;

When someone who has been found guilty of an infraction/crime wishes to enter Canada, the Customs/Immigration officer at the border has to determine admissibility by determining what is the Canadian equivalent infraction. Then, depending on the Canadian equivalent and it's maximum punishment, a determination is made: Admissible (if it was just equivalent to one of our summary conviction offence), inadmissible without first obtaining "permission" from the Canadian Embassy/consulate (usually, criminal acts punishable by a max of ten years), forever inadmissible, for crimes with more than ten years penalty.

In the present case, the officer at the border did his job properly. The document you see is NOT a determination by the Minister, it is the Border services officer's report TO the Minister of the exclusion order he/she issued and the reason for his/her determination, in case of further appeal to the said Minister.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... 46 (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,

(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada ...

Barring any future court/administrative fracas, that's a pretty good fit, then.  Thanks!

 

[jollyjacktar]

Yup, good and proper.  She may have been given time off for good behavior by Obama but she's still a admitted, convicted felon.  We'd be banned from the States if the tables were turned.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Martha Stewart was banned for committing a lot less.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

From NewsWeek:

CANADA'S CHELSEA MANNING BAN LEADS DONALD TRUMP JR. TO MOCK TRANSGENDER WHISTLEBLOWER
BY JASON LE MIERE ON 9/25/17 AT 3:05 PM

Chelsea Manning, who was given a 35-year prison sentence for leaking a trove of United States government documents, has been permanently banned from entering Canada. The news was celebrated by some on Twitter, including Donald Trump Jr., who liked an offensive tweet mocking the transgender whistleblower.

Manning, who served seven years in military prison before being released in May after having her sentence commuted by President Barack Obama, tried to enter Canada as a visitor on Friday. According to a document she shared on Twitter Monday, Manning was denied on the grounds that her offense equated to that of treason in the Criminal Code of Canada.

Any offense that, if committed inside Canada, would carry a prison sentence of more than 10 years is grounds for refusing an individual entry into the country.

In further tweets, Manning said she “will be challenging denial of entry” at an admissibility hearing at a date yet to be set. She also challenged the idea that the treason law cited by the Canadian authorities matched her conviction.

Manning was convicted on multiple espionage and theft charges in 2013, but was acquitted of the most serious charge against her: that of aiding the enemy. One of the offenses defined as treason in the Canadian Criminal Code is “without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada.”

A secret Department of Defense report into what was the largest leak of classified documents in U.S. history concluded that it caused no significant harm to U.S. interests. A counterintelligence official who investigated the impact of Manning’s leaks also said that no individual had been killed by enemy forces as a result.

Manning’s sentence was the longest ever handed down in the U.S. for leaking government information. Despite Obama declaring that the seven years Manning served cle Link}was already a “tough sentence,” Manning’s sentence was only commuted, rather than fully pardoned, as was the case with President Donald Trump’s recent action toward Joe Arpaio, the controversial former Arizona sheriff.

Trump has labeled Manning a “traitor.” After Manning's tweet Monday, Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., liked a derogatory tweet aimed at Manning featuring a pair of scissors, two peanuts and a clown's face in makeup, an apparent reference to her being transgender. President Trump recently announced a ban on transgender people serving in the military.

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[Infanteer]

This is starting to smell like the Harvard situation.  I am not a fan Manning's insinuation on social media that opposition to her public persona is a smear on the LGBTQ community.  It's because she was disloyal and committed a serious felony.

 

[MilEME09]

This is starting to smell like the Harvard situation.  I am not a fan Manning's insinuation on social media that opposition to her public persona is a smear on the LGBTQ community.  It's because she was disloyal and committed a serious felony.

I agree, it has 0% to do with being trans gendered, etc... it has everything to do with the actions that got her into this situation in the first place. Unfortunately younger generations seem to not understand actions have consequences that you have to live with.

 

[ModlrMike]

She will discover over time that it's not just Canada that won't let her in.

 

[Haggis]

This kiss me. Former PFC Manning was dealt with exactly the same as any other US citizen arriving at a port of entry with a US criminal record without having done the appropriate research and secured the required documents prior to their trip.

The really amusing part is the fact that Manning is a former intelligence analyst and, therefore, should be capable of some simple Google searches of Canadian immigration requirements.  Nobody to blame but herself.

 

[dapaterson]

... a former intelligence analyst and, therefore, should be capable of some simple Google searches...

You haven't met many folks from the Int branch, have you?