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RCWMHBS RCWMHVS RCWMKES RCWMMFS RCWMMGA RCWMMIS RCWMNHS RCWMNMS
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R 301435Z JUL 12
FM NDHQ CMP OTTAWA
TO CANFORGEN
BT
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 145/12 CMP 063/12
SIC WAF
SECTION 1 OF 2
SUBJ: CF COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT FRAMEWORK
BILINGUAL MESSAGE / MESSAGE BILINGUE
REFS: A. CBI 205.45
B. CBI 208.832
C. CBI 208.96
D. CBI 208.997
E. CFIRP
1. LIKE THE OTHER FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, THE CF ARE
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CANADIAN TAXPAYER AND, IN THIS REGARD, THEY MUST
REVIEW THEIR BUDGET REGULARLY TO REMAIN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
THROUGH RECENT INITIATIVES, THE CF HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN EFFORTS TO
SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA S GOAL OF RETURNING TO A BALANCED
BUDGET
PAGE 2 RCCPJAW4007 UNCLAS
2. THE CF CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM OUTSTANDING GOVERNMENT SUPPORT.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, MANY OF THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS SHORTFALLS
IDENTIFIED IN THE 1998 SCONDVA REPORT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. NEW
ALLOWANCES HAVE BEEN CREATED, INCLUDING A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL
ALLOWANCES. MOST RECENTLY, IMPROVED BENEFITS FOR ILL AND INJURED
PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE THEIR CONTINUED
WELL-BEING. THESE HAVE RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO
COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS FOR CF PERSONNEL, SUCH THAT THE CF HAVE A
WORLD-RENOWNED COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS SCHEME
3. SO AS TO MEET THE GOVERNMENT S INTENT WHILE ENSURING A BALANCING
OF THE FOUR PILLARS (PERSONNEL, EQUIPMENT, READINESS AND
INFRASTRUCTURE) OF THE CANADA FIRST DEFENCE STRATEGY (CFDS), A
CRITICAL REVIEW OF PERSONNEL PROGRAMS HAS BEEN UNDERTAKEN. THE
TB-APPROVED CHANGES TO THE CF COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT FRAMEWORK
ANNOUNCED HEREIN ARE REASONABLE IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT AND THEY
HAVE BEEN CHOSEN WITH A VIEW TO MINIMIZING THE IMPACT ON OUR PEOPLE
4. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS UNDER THE CANADIAN
FORCES INTEGRATED RELOCATION PROGRAM (CFIRP) AND CB1 208 SHALL CEASE
FOR ALL CF MEMBERS:
A. THE MORTGAGE BREAKING PENALTIES AND MORTGAGE EARLY REPAYMENT
PAGE 3 RCCPJAW4007 UNCLAS
PENALTIES AND
B. THE MORTGAGE LOAN INSURANCE (MLI)
5. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS SHALL CEASE FOR ALL
REG F MEMBERS AND RES F MEMBERS SERVING ON CLASS C RESERVE SERVICE:
UNDER THE SEPARATION EXPENSE BENEFITS, BOTH THE INCIDENTAL EXPENSE
ALLOWANCE AND MEAL RATE INCLUDING RATIONS AT PUBLIC EXPENSE
6. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS SHALL CEASE TO APPLY
TO RES F MEMBERS SERVING ON CLASS B RESERVE SERVICE:
A. TRANSPORTATION ASSISTANCE FOR RES F PERSONNEL. THIS BENEFIT WILL
NOT APPLY TO CLASS B RES F PERSONNEL, BUT ONLY TO RES F PERSONNEL
SERVING ON CLASS A RESERVE SERVICE AND
B. SEPARATION EXPENSE (ALL RELATED BENEFITS)
7. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING CFIRP BENEFITS WILL BE
ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE PERSONALIZED FUNDING ENVELOPE AND CBI 208
WILL BE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY:
A. EXTENDED HOUSE HUNTING TRIP (HHT) (ALL RELATED BENEFITS)
B. COMMERCIAL PET CARE BOARDING COSTS DURING HHT
C. ACCOMPANYING PET IN COMMERCIAL LODGINGS WHILE TRAVELLING FOR
RELOCATION
D. PET SHIPMENT AND PET CARE BOARDING COSTS AT ORIGIN AND OR NEW
PAGE 4 RCCPJAW4007 UNCLAS
PLACE OF DUTY
E. ACCOMPANYING PET IN COMMERCIAL LODGINGS WHILE TRAVELLING FOR
RELOCATION
F. DISCONNECTION/CONNECTION FEES AT ORIGIN AND NEW PLACE OF DUTY
G. POSTAL AND COURIER SERVICES, NOT TO EXCEED 12 MONTHS DURATION
H. INTEREST ON HOME RELOCATION LOAN AND
I. ADDITIONAL APPRAISAL FEES
8. NOTWITHSTANDING THESE CHANGES, CF PERSONNEL WILL CONTINUE TO
ENJOY A ROBUST AND COMPREHENSIVE FIRST-CLASS SUPPORT AND
COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT FRAMEWORK WHILE HAVING ACCESS TO GENEROUS
AND EQUITABLE REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. WE HAVE ALWAYS
LOOKED AFTER OUR PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
DO SO
9. ONCE AMENDED, REFS A TO E WILL BE PROMULGATED AND POSTED TO THE
FOLLOWING WEB SITE:
HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGCB/CBI/ENGRAPH/HOME (UNDERSCORE SIGN)
E.ASP(QUESTION MARK)SIDESECTION(EQUAL SIGN)6(PLUS SIGN)
10. SIGNED BY RADM A. SMITH, CMP
END OF ENGLISH TEXT / LE TEXT FRANCAIS SUIT
OBJET : LE CADRE DE LA REMUNERATION ET DES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX
APPLICABLES AUX FC
PAGE 5 RCCPJAW4007 UNCLAS
REF: A. DRAS 205.45
B. DRAS 208.832
C. DRAS 208.96
D. DRAS 208.997
E. PRIFC
1. COMME TOUS LES
MINISTERES ET ORGANISMES FEDERAUX, LES FC SONT IMPUTABLES ENVERS LES
CONTRIBUABLES CANADIENS ET, A CET EGARD, SE DOIVENT D EXAMINER LEUR
BUDGET REGULIEREMENT DE MANIERE A DEMEURER RESPONSABLES SUR LE PLAN
FINANCIER. GRACE A DE RECENTES INITIATIVES, LES FC ONT ENTREPRIS DES
EFFORTS EN APPUI AU BUT DU GOUVERNEMENT DU CANADA EN VUE DE RENOUER
AVEC L EQUILIBRE BUDGETAIRE
2. LES FC CONTINUENT DE JOUIR DE L APPUI EXCEPTIONNEL DU
GOUVERNEMENT. DE FACON PLUS PRECISE, NOMBRE DE LACUNES EN MATIERE DE
REMUNERATION ET D AVANTAGES SOCIAUX RELEVEES PAR LE RAPPORT DU
CPDNAC DE 1998 ONT ETE REGLEES. DE NOUVELLES INDEMNITES ONT ETE
CREEES, NOTAMMENT UN CERTAIN NOMBRE D INDEMNITES ENVIRONNEMENTALES.
PLUS RECEMMENT, DES PRESTATIONS AMELIOREES POUR LES MILITAIRES
MALADES ET BLESSES ONT ETE MISES EN PLACE DE MANIERE A ASSURER LEUR
BIEN-ETRE. AINSI, LA REMUNERATION ET LES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX DES
PAGE 6 RCCPJAW4007 UNCLAS
MILITAIRES DES FC ONT FAIT L OBJET D IMPORTANTES AMELIORATIONS,
FAISANT EN SORTE QUE LES FC POSSEDENT UN PROGRAMME DE REMUNERATION
ET D AVANTAGES SOCIAUX DE RENOMMEE INTERNATIONALE
3. AFIN DE RESPECTER LES INTENTIONS DU GOUVERNEMENT TOUT EN S
ASSURANT  D EQUILIBRER LES QUATRE PILIERS (PERSONNEL, EQUIPEMENT,
DISPONIBILITE OPERATIONNELLE ET INFRASTRUCTURE) DE LA STRATEGIE DE
DEFENSE LE CANADA D ABORD (SDCD), UN EXAMEN CRITIQUE DES PROGRAMMES
A ETE ENTREPRIS. LES CHANGEMENTS APPROUVES PAR LE CT AU CADRE DE LA
REMUNERATION ET DES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX DES FC ICI ANNONCES SONT
RAISONNABLES DANS LE CONTEXTE ACTUEL ET ILS ONT ETE CHOISIS EN
FONCTION DE LA REDUCTION DES REPERCUSSIONS SUR NOTRE PERSONNEL
4. A COMPTER DU 1ER SEPTEMBRE 2012, LES INDEMNITES SUIVANTES DU
PROGRAMME DE REINSTALLATION DES FORCES CANADIENNES (PRIFC) ET DE LA
DRAS 208 PRENDRONT FIN POUR TOUS LES MILITAIRES DES FC :
A. LES PENALITES POUR RUPTURE D HYPOTHEQUE ET POUR ACQUITTEMENT
ANTICIPE DE L HYPOTHEQUE
B. L ASSURANCE PRET HYPOTHECAIRE (APH)
5. A COMPTER DU 1ER SEPTEMBRE 2012, LES INDEMNITES SUIVANTES
PRENDRONT FIN POUR TOUS LES MILITAIRES DE LA FORCE REGULIERE ET TOUS
LES MILITAIRES DE LA RESERVE EN SERVICE DE CLASSE C :
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 145/12 CMP 063/12
SIC WAF
FINAL SECTION OF 2
DANS LE CAS DES INDEMNITES D ABSENCE DU FOYER, LES INDEMNITES DE
FAUX FRAIS ET LES MONTANTS DE REPAS, Y COMPRIS LES VIVRES AUX FRAIS
DE L ETAT
6. LES INDEMNITES SUIVANTES PRENDRONT FIN A COMPTER DU 1ER SEPTEMBRE
2012 POUR TOUS LES MILITAIRES DE LA RESERVE EN SERVICE DE CLASSE B :
A. INDEMNITE DE DEPLACEMENT DES RESERVISTES. CETTE INDEMNITE NE S
APPLIQUERA PAS AUX RESERVISTES EN SERVICE DE CLASSE B, MAIS
UNIQUEMENT AUX RESERVISTES EN SERVICE DE CLASSE A
B. FRAIS D ABSENCE DU FOYER (TOUTES LES INDEMNITES CONNEXES)
7. A COMPTER DU 1ER SEPTEMBRE 2012, LES INDEMNITES SUIVANTES DU
PRIFC SERONT ADMINISTREES PAR L ENTREMISE DE L ENVELOPPE DE
FINANCEMENT PERSONNALISEE ET LA DRAS 208 SERA MODIFIEE CONFORMEMENT:
A. VOYAGE PROLONGE DE RECHERCHE D UN DOMICILE (VRD) (TOUTES LES
PAGE 2 RCCPJAW4008 UNCLAS CANFORGEN 145/12
INDEMNITES CONNEXES)
B. FRAIS ENCOURUS POUR LA PENSION COMMERCIALE D UN ANIMAL DE
COMPAGNIE PENDANT UN VRD
C. L ACCOMPAGNEMENT D UN ANIMAL DE COMPAGNIE A UN HEBERGEMENT
COMMERCIAL AU POINT
D ORIGINE ET/OU AU NOUVEAU LIEU DE SERVICE
D. TRANSPORT D ANIMAUX DE COMPAGNIE ET FRAIS ENCOURUS POUR LA
PENSION D UN ANIMAL DE COMPAGNIE AU POINT D ORIGINE ET/OU AU NOUVEAU
LIEU DE SERVICE
E. L ACCOMPAGNEMENT D UN ANIMAL DE COMPAGNIE A UN HEBERGEMENT
COMMERCIAL PENDANT UN VOYAGE LIE A UNE REINSTALLATION
F. FRAIS DE DEBRANCHEMENT / BRANCHEMENT AU POINT D ORIGINE ET/OU AU
NOUVEAU LIEU DE SERVICE
G. SERVICES POSTAUX ET DE MESSAGER N EXCEDANT PAS UNE DUREE DE 12
MOIS
H. INTERETS SUR UN PRET A LA REINSTALLATION
I. FRAIS POUR EVALUATIONS SUPPLEMENTAIRES
8. NONOBSTANT CES CHANGEMENTS, LES MILITAIRES DES FC CONTINUERONT DE
JOUIR D UN CADRE DE SOUTIEN AINSI QUE DE REMUNERATION ET D AVANTAGES
SOCIAUX SOLIDES TOUT EN AYANT ACCES A DES PROGRAMMES ET A DES
PAGE 3 RCCPJAW4008 UNCLAS CANFORGEN 145/12
SERVICES DE REMBOURSEMENT EQUITABLES ET GENEREUX. NOUS NOUS SOMMES
TOUJOURS PREOCCUPES DE NOS MILITAIRES ET DE LEURS FAMILLES ET
CONTINUERONS DE LE FAIRE
9. UNE FOIS MODIFIEES, LES REFERENCES DE A JUSQU A E SERONT
PROMULGUEES ET AFFICHEES SUR LE SITE WEB QUE VOICI :
HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/DGCB/CBI/FRGRAPH/ HOME(TRAIT DE
SOULIGNEMENT) F.ASP(POINT D INTERROGATION)SIDESECTION(SIGNE D
EGALITE)6(SIGNE PLUS)
10. SIGNE PAR LE CAM A. SMITH, CPM
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Well, that's mighty white of them, cuts just in time for my relocation.......

7. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING CFIRP BENEFITS WILL BE
ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE PERSONALIZED FUNDING ENVELOPE AND CBI 208
WILL BE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY:

D. PET SHIPMENT AND PET CARE BOARDING COSTS AT ORIGIN AND OR NEW
PLACE OF DUTY
F. DISCONNECTION/CONNECTION FEES AT ORIGIN AND NEW PLACE OF DUTY
G. POSTAL AND COURIER SERVICES, NOT TO EXCEED 12 MONTHS DURATION

Nice. Thank you CF.
 
CDN Aviator said:
Well, that's mighty white of them, cuts just in time for my relocation.......

Nice. Thank you CF.

Don't thank the CF; thank the current CF loving government.
 
Methinks para 5 may cause some angst as well; folks on IR will no longer get paid rations and incidentals.

5. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 12, THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS SHALL CEASE FOR ALL
REG F MEMBERS AND RES F MEMBERS SERVING ON CLASS C RESERVE SERVICE:
UNDER THE SEPARATION EXPENSE BENEFITS, BOTH THE INCIDENTAL EXPENSE
ALLOWANCE AND MEAL RATE INCLUDING RATIONS AT PUBLIC EXPENSE
 
dapaterson said:
Methinks para 5 may cause some angst as well; folks on IR will no longer get paid rations and incidentals.

Agreed, although I have mixed feelings on that one.  Never been in the IR posn myself, but I've seen many people gloating about it over the last few years, talking about how it paid for various "splurge" purchases.  But presumably there must be cases where it's actually financially necessary.  And, if someone on IR doesn't have access to a kitchenette, they'd be losing $$$ eating in restaurants 3 meals/day.  That doesn't seem right, nor healthy.

The TA for Class B will be felt by a few people around here.

I wonder what the rationale is, for losing the mortgage-breaking penalty - it's not like you have a choice, when you're posted.    ???

I wish the DWAN's CANFORGEN page were up to date.  At this moment, the latest is 143/12.  Thanks to MasterInstructor for posting this. 
 
dapaterson said:
Methinks para 5 may cause some angst as well; folks on IR will no longer get paid rations and incidentals.
For the most part, that is not unreasonable.  Food is not free at home, so it makes sense that one pays while IR.  However - that means IR pers eating in messes should have the flexibility of only paying what they eat in the mess & not paying for every meal whether they eat it or not.  A kitchen or kitchenette should also become part of the minimum accommodations standard.

For a lot of folks, the incidentals were a bit of a gravy train - they did cover legitimate costs that were the result of separation but the dollar value was a little high.  With this change, any subscription services that must be duplicated as a result of the separation (phone, internet, etc) should be reimbursed.  Long distance costs to call home should also be covered to a level equivalent to the entitlement when deployed.  I am not confident that either will happen.
 
dogger1936 said:
Don't thank the CF; thank the current CF loving government.

It's kind of a present from the government for putting up with 4 postings in 7 years.

Oh well........such is life. Still not a bad benefit package compared to some other militaries.
 
bridges said:
I wonder what the rationale is, for losing the mortgage-breaking penalty - it's not like you have a choice, when you're posted.    ???

Solidifies my decision to go with a 100% open mortgage.
 
CDN Aviator said:
It's kind of a present from the government for putting up with 4 postings in 7 years.

Oh well........such is life. Still not a bad benefit package compared to some other militaries.

4 postings in 7 years I hear yah I'm on number 4 and final here now.

I do however wonder what outrage would occur on this board if it had been a Liberal or NDP government in power.

As a once very adamant Tory supporter I will never vote for this government again.
 
MCG said:
Food is not free at home, so it makes sense that one pays while IR.

I wonder if it's that simple.  At home you can lay in a lot of staples for lower cost, and you presumably have more complete cooking facilities, storage, implements, etc. - so there may be some duplication involved, if you're trying to replicate your normal diet in a hotel kitchenette.  Maybe that was the rationale.  But the rates did seem a bit high. 

At any rate, I agree with you about the mess option, in places where there is a mess.

 
dogger1936 said:
As a once very adamant Tory supporter I will never vote for this government again.

I somehow don't think the government got into the weeds and picked which things to cut in our benefits. This looks like a CMP decision after being told to save X% of dollars to meet deficit reduction targets. They picked and chose which things to chop out to meet those targets.
 
MCG said:
For a lot of folks, the incidentals were a bit of a gravy train - they did cover legitimate costs that were the result of separation but the dollar value was a little high.  With this change, any subscription services that must be duplicated as a result of the separation (phone, internet, etc) should be reimbursed.  Long distance costs to call home should also be covered to a level equivalent to the entitlement when deployed.  I am not confident that either will happen.

Current policy, which the CANFORGEN does not discuss, provides for reimbursement of:

actual and reasonable basic internet, basic cable and cellular or land-line telephone connection expenses.

Given that most cell plans include Canada-wide calling, and software like Skype or MSN messenger let you chat online for no cost, I think the comms home are taken care of.
 
PuckChaser said:
I somehow don't think the government got into the weeds and picked which things to cut in our benefits. This looks like a CMP decision after being told to save X% of dollars to meet deficit reduction targets. They picked and chose which things to chop out to meet those targets.

CMP does not operate in a vacuum.  Any changes would involve discussions with the RCN, CA and RCAF, and would have a heavy dose of Treasury Board engagement (as TB approves the benefits).

The CDS on behalf of the CF can make recommendations for changes, but ultimately it is the Treasury Board that sets and establishes compensation & benefits for the CF - see NDA 12(3).
 
Same reason we'll be paying more into our pensions than we were before.  Or why they are doing away with severance at retirement.  The CF or the PS didn't come up with that.  The current government is looking for cuts.  It is certainly better optics for them to cut these benefits than cut equipment or troops.
 
Making cuts to the PS/CF, VAC, and OAS while collecting a full pension after a rough 6 years working. I would personally be too embarrassed to show my face in public; alas I guess that's why they are in charge of the country and I am not.
 
CDN Aviator said:
Solidifies my decision to go with a 100% open mortgage.

Also solidifies why people need to make sure their mortgage is portable!  You may pay an initial fine/fee for breaking the mortgage but, for most portable mortgages, if you reinstate it within a certain finite period of time (I've seen anything from 30 days to 3 months) that money ends up being refunded.  So, although it looks like an initial kick in the teeth, it's not going to save the CF a whole whack of money.
 
dapaterson said:
Current policy, which the CANFORGEN does not discuss, provides for reimbursement of:
True for most types of accomodation, but not for commercial accomodations.  Maybe it was assumed that one can find those services included within the cost of a hotel, motel, tourist home, guest cottage or similar commercial property.
 
bridges said:
Agreed, although I have mixed feelings on that one.  Never been in the IR posn myself, but I've seen many people gloating about it over the last few years, talking about how it paid for various "splurge" purchases.  But presumably there must be cases where it's actually financially necessary.  And, if someone on IR doesn't have access to a kitchenette, they'd be losing $$$ eating in restaurants 3 meals/day.  That doesn't seem right, nor healthy.

The TA for Class B will be felt by a few people around here.

I wonder what the rationale is, for losing the mortgage-breaking penalty - it's not like you have a choice, when you're posted.    ???

I wish the DWAN's CANFORGEN page were up to date.  At this moment, the latest is 143/12.  Thanks to MasterInstructor for posting this.
Been on IR and you need that money for food or you will be taking food off your families table . You can't buy a club pack of whatever and put it in the deep freeze in your one bedroom apartment so you have to buy one item for the same price that four would cost you. Initally when the amount you recieved over 1000/month for food and the incidental expenses that was a bit decadent, but when it was reduce to just over 600/month I found that was adequate. It is the little things that add up, having to buy smaller portions from the grocery store is a lot more expensive than if you buy in bulk which is what most families do to some extent.
I noticed that there were no changes to any of the MP's benifits, must be rough serving six whole years in an air conditioned office with no one shooting at you.
I think the IR thing will cause some career managers inboxes to be flooded with requests for cost contingency moves and compasionate status. Members aren't going to go bankrupt to serve. We already give enough things up.
And to compare our benifits to other nations is unfair and just not acceptable.
 
Transoportation Assistance (para 6A) was cut once back in 2003 and reinstated, after a series of redresses that determined that the cut was done improperly,  in 2007.  At that time we in receipt of TA were warned that it would only be a matter of time before the benefit was done away with permanently (in accordance with due process), so this should not really be a surprise to anyone.
 
Haggis said:
Transoportation Assistance (para 6A) was cut once back in 2003 and reinstated, after a series of redresses that determined that the cut was done improperly,  in 2007.  At that time we in receipt of TA were warned that it would only be a matter of time before the benefit was done away with permanently (in accordance with due process), so this should not really be a surprise to anyone.

Just for clarification, it's only being done away with for Res F mbrs serving on Class B.  For those serving on Class A, it remains in effect - so far.
 
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