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artsy,
in all seriousness. Seek professional mental help. You are obviously not well, and I am worried about you.
 
No, she actually cared enough to post here.  I worry more about the ones who write us off as baby eaters right from the start.

Tom
 
One of her links  http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/06/04/news/taliban.php

ends with this statement:  
Some in the area blamed Pakistan for continuing to fuel the insurgency.

Though ostensibly an American ally, Pakistan is viewed with suspicion here by some American military and Afghan officials for its failure to stem the flow of Taliban recruits.

"The Taliban will be finished when there is no foreign interference," Mullah Zafar Khan, the Deychopan district chief, said. He blamed mullahs and others in Pakistan for inveigling young people to join the fight.

"Pakistan is giving them the wrong information and telling them to go and do jihad," he said.

So obviously she doesn't read 'all' the article before making up her mind.

 
I think she went to CanuukTroops place to figure out how to convince us to donate our pay to the "Nukes for Iran" fundraiser committee and how to convince the mean ol Canadian troops in Astan to just put away the guns and share a double double with the Taliban.

Oh well, the first 2 pages of posts are too funny!  I am going to read them every morning before I go to work!

:rofl:
 
I feel bad about laughing at her before. I thought she was just a loonie, but now I think she's genuinely disturbed.

Now I'm all bummed out.
 
I think she is a perfectly normal girl who has been fed a lot of crap from her peer group, and needs to find some balance in her sources.  She can get that here, but not if we all drive her away.

Tom
 
Franko:

Where did you turn up the Dalek?  I always wanted to be a Dalek...... Much more fun than Robbie.

 
I call them "misinformed" or "uninformed" or when no one is around...clueless and naive.  BUT atleast they live in a country where they aren't going to be stoned if they walk down the road with a male that is not a relative ( see my link in earlier post that Artsy didn't ready because that wouldn't strengthen her point of view at all so she ignored it and is talking to CanuukTroop about while he draws pictures of the new nuclear weapons he will buy to give Iran with our donated money that they keep in the VW Bug with the flowers on it...)
 
I hope you're right, but to believe some of the crap being spewed, and when it's as simple as not knowing who the President of the USA (one of the most famous men of all time, with literally thousands of pictures taken of him, 'appearances' in movies, hell, he's even appeared in comic books) during World War II, one of the most traumatic experiences in the last century, was. And then basing some bizarre conspiracy theory around that...

That is either chemical imbalance, emotional issues, or deliberate concentration at ignorance. I mean, you'd have to WORK at it.
 
Artsy...I have been reading thru you links...now just try one of mine.  ;)

http://www.survivorsrightsinternational.org/sri_news/SEVEREPE.pdf

Come on...one won't hurt ya!
 
Another link written by women trying to get men to go off to savage lands and kill other men who are abusing their women.  Ho-hum.

Tom
 
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How They Get Away With It

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In the absence of an antiwar movement or serious domestic political
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The world hates us more than ever

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The reason for our declining popularity is no mystery: Bush's
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warfare and instances of prisoners being tortured and even murdered
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Torture Fatigue

Only one-third of Americans questioned in a Washington Post-ABC News
poll last May defined what happened at Abu Ghraib as "torture."

By Silja J.A. Talvi

"The Christian in me says it's wrong," Army Specialist Charles A.
Graner Jr. said of torturing prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. "But
the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man piss
himself."
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Imperial defiance

Weapons, wealth and might do not always determine the course of events.
People do.

By Joel Miller

Who are the Patrick Henrys of today and who are the foreign invaders
and aggressors; who are the defenders of their homes and who are the
pawns of King George.
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Bodies from U.S. copter crash found in Afghanistan:

The bodies of 13 U.S. troops have been recovered from the crash of a
U.S. helicopter in eastern Afghanistan, but seven more U.S. soldiers are
unaccounted for and some may have been captured, a news report said on
Thursday
http://snipurl.com/fxzw

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Gunmen storm northern Iraq city:

Gunmen stormed the former insurgent bastion of Samarra in northern Iraq
yesterday, killing at least two elite police commandos and injuring as
many as six.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002352783_iraq30.html

http://snipurl.com/fxzx

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Violence continues in Iraq:

A man was killed and his wife injured when their car came under fire
from U.S. troops on a road south of Kirkuk.
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=92896&n_date=20050630&cat=World

http://snipurl.com/fxzz

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Reporter shot to death in Iraq:

The shot appears to have been fired by a U.S. military sniper, though
there were Iraqi soldiers in the area who also may have been shooting at
the time.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12016097.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy00

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Push for autonomy develops in Iraqi south :

With the Aug. 15 deadline for writing a new constitution bearing down,
some powerful, mostly secular Shiite politicians are pushing for the
creation of an autonomous region in the oil-rich south of Iraq,
challenging the country's central authority.
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/06/29/news/basra.php

http://snipurl.com/fy01

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[CIA Agent Forms Party? : Tom's Comment]

Former Iraqi minister forms political front for Resistance groups :

At a news conference in a Baghdad home, al-Samarie said the new
political front, the National Council for Unity and Construction of Iraq, is
representing "resistance" fighters who have not carried out attacks
against civilians.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9346.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy04

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Italy Denies It Knew of CIA Kidnapping

Italy's government denied Thursday it had prior knowledge of the
alleged CIA kidnapping of a radical Egyptian cleric and summoned the U.S.
ambassador to explain the operation, which has led prosecutors to seek the
arrest of 13 purported CIA officials.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5109642,00.html

http://snipurl.com/fy1p

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CIA abduction in Italy shows U.S. bungling-experts:

CIA agents charged with kidnapping a Muslim cleric in Milan appear to
have bungled their way into an international incident by ignoring the
most basic rules of the spy trade, experts say.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9350.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy06

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Bush Is Right to Link 9/11 With Iraq:

President Bush was correct in once again linking 9/11 with his invasion
and occupation of Iraq in his speech to the nation last night. Why?
Because the motivation behind the 9/11 attacks was the same as the
motivation behind the insurgency in Iraq: U.S. foreign policy.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger47.html

http://snipurl.com/fy08

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Bob Herbert: Dangerous Incompetence:

The president who displayed his contempt for Iraqi militants two years
ago with the taunt "bring 'em on" had to go on television Tuesday night
to urge Americans not to abandon support for the war that he foolishly
started but can't figure out how to win.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9349.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0b

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The biggest of Big Lies :

On Tuesday night, the president abandoned the narrow patch of high
ground that he had staked out and dove into the raging flood of deceit that
his administration had unleashed.
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/index.php?ntid=45372&ntpid=0

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Day after Bush's optimism, State Dept says Iraq perilous:

The State Department called Iraq too dangerous for American travellers
on Wednesday, hours after President George W Bush pointed to
"significant progress" there.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1416044,001300180001.htm

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In case you missed it:

Short: Blair lied to cabinet and made secret war pact with US
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9352.htm

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War? What war?:

As some GI somewhere put it, war is "about blowing motherfuckers up."
It's about heads getting shot off, and faces torn apart, and babies cut
in two, and everything else horrible that can happen to a human body
when big pieces of metal hit it at incredible speed. That is what war is
-- no more, no less.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9347.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0h

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Fortunate Son:

During the run-up to the invasion, Pataki was one of Bush's biggest war
whores in the Northeast, taking his pro-war stump speech on the road to
warn New Yorkers about the imminent threat posed by Saddam Hussein.
http://nypress.com/18/26/pagetwo/newshole4.cfm

http://snipurl.com/fy0i

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Ship young Pataki straight to Iraq:

The governor, who proudly announced last week that his son has been
commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Marines, also noted that Teddy
Pataki hopes to defer his military service for three years until he
finishes law school.
http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-opmcc304324656jun30,0,1221085.column

http://snipurl.com/fy0j

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Video: Do It For Uncle Sam:

For the fourth month in a row, the army has fallen well short of its
recruitment targets. The result is that they're turning to some pretty
unconventional methods to persuade young Americans to do it for Uncle
Sam.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9348.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0k

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Johnny Comes Marching Home to Loans:

Think joining the army will clear your student debt? Better check the
fine print.
http://villagevoice.com/nyclife/0526,kamenetz,65344,15.html

http://snipurl.com/fy0l

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Fighting in Iraq taking a toll on Army marriages :

The Army's divorce rate has soared in the past three years. Between
2001 and 2004, divorces among active-duty Army officers and enlisted
personnel nearly doubled, from 5,658 to 10,477, even though total troop
strength remained stable.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5483458.html

http://snipurl.com/fy0m

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The sobering of America :

To return to America after an absence of six months is to find a nation
sobered by reality. The reality of debt and lost jobs. The reality of
rising China. Above all, the reality of Iraq.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9342.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0n

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Expensive Favor:

The American people should be concerned that their federal government
worries more about the Iraqis than it does the Americans. We could find
far better uses for both the money and the lives than to squander them
on the hard, bloody soil of the Middle East.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese203.html

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Greg Palast: I Hope I Die Before The Next Refill:

I was in the drug store today out here in Podunk. Some old guy in front
of me was picking up his little paper bag of prescription medicine. The
lady behind the counter handed him a credit card slip and said, "I'm
sorry."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9343.htm

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The war against veterans:

PRESIDENT Bush gives plenty of lip service to men and women in uniform.
Now it’s time for the President to put his money where his mouth is and
fully fund veterans’ benefits.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050630/OPINION02/50630004

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Video: Deceit, Deception And Tears: Back To Vietnam:

"I sound angry and I am f****** angry. You know, this is... You've got
to get angry, everybody's got to get angry about bloody wars. They're
f****** horrible!"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9344.htm

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Ex-Hostages Say Iran Leader-Elect a Captor:

President Bush said Thursday that "many questions" have been raised by
allegations of some former American hostages that Iran's
president-elect was one of their captors in the late 1970s.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/29/national/a183032D36.DTL

http://snipurl.com/fy0w

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Abductors deny Iran leader siege role:

Iranian veterans of the 1979 seizure of hostages at the US embassy in
Tehran have denied claims that President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
played a role in the siege.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/05A0C669-2069-4874-B746-9AD2FF0AE84C.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0x

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Beijing devoted to weakening 'enemy' U.S., defector says :

China's communist leaders view the United States as their main enemy
and are working in Asia and around the world to undermine U.S. alliances,
said a former Chinese diplomat.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9345.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy0y

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When China Owns Our Utilities:

It is a great irony that on the day President Bush called for a
thorough review of China's proposed acquisition of a California-based oil
company, Unocal, the United States Senate voted 85-12 to send an energy
bill to conference that would allow China to own local US public
utilities, without a murmur from the administration, lawmakers or the media.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/063005Y.shtml

http://snipurl.com/fy0z

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Saddam rejects meeting U.S. officials:

Toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has refused to meet U.S. officials
as a prisoner, but only as the president of Iraq, it was reported
Wednesday.
http://www.washtimes.com//upi/20050629-081302-8155r.htm

http://snipurl.com/fy10

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Video: Mosaic: World News Reports from Middle East TV For 06/29/05:

The nation's only uncensored compilation of daily television news
reports from more than 15 countries in the Middle East. QuickTime Video.
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US forces' use of depleted uranium weapons is 'illegal':

BRITISH and American coalition forces are using depleted uranium (DU)
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destruction.
http://www.sundayherald.com/32522

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In case you missed it:

After the War Comes Cancer :

Information collected for a German project investigating the use of
uranium-charged ammunition in Iraq shows that when Iraqi women fear for
their children's health, it is with good reason.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1510710,00.html

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In case you missed it:

WHO ‘suppressed’ scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in
Iraq:

Radiation experts warn in unpublished report that DU weapons used by
Allies in Gulf war pose long-term health risk
http://www.sundayherald.com/40096

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Two Israeli soldiers believed captured:

Confusion surrounds the fate of two Israeli soldiers, reportedly
kidnapped in the West Bank city of Nablus.
http://snipurl.com/fy17

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Good morning, settlers :

Suddenly the leaders of the Jewish settlers in the territories have
become very sensitive people with respect to morals and values. All of a
sudden there is nothing in the world more important to them than honesty
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/593544.html

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Chavez warns US on ties at Caribbean summit:

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday accused the United States
of meddling in his efforts to create an energy alliance with Caribbean
neighbors and said he may one day have to cut ties with Washington.
http://snipurl.com/fy19

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Bush sets up domestic spy service :

US President George W Bush has ordered the creation of a domestic
intelligence service within the FBI, as part of a package of 70 new security
measures.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4636117.stm

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FBI Turned Loose:

Privacy rights may disappear if a new Senate Intelligence Committee
bill passes
http://villagevoice.com/news/0526,hentoff,65319,6.html

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Time Will Comply With Order to Hand Over Documents:

Time Warner Inc., the world's largest media company, said it will hand
over subpoenaed records to a U.S. prosecutor investigating the leak of
a CIA operative's identity.
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The party's over for betrayed Republican:

As of today, after 25 years, I am no longer a Republican. I take this
step with deep regret, and with a deep sense of betrayal.
http://www.registerguard.com/news/2005/06/26/ed.col.chaney.0626.html

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The lobbyists' scandal: The secret world of Washington :

The Capitol's grubby secret is the swarm of lobbyists in a sea of
money, washing around the Congress and Senate. But one lobbyist may have
just over-reached himself. By Rupert Cornwell
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article295734.ece

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TCBF,

Yup...pertains to the audience I thought?  Vice "Why The West Invaded Astan - Military Reasons For..."

 
man, I hope she gets some help. If she isn't paranoid schizophrenic, she's working hard at getting so.
 
Oh well...we tried.

and the first 2 pages of posts were worth it!  :rofl:

Like I said...what scares me is there is a voting public out there and some of them are hurrying over to her place right now to comfort her, make tea and listen to 10,000 Maniacs and...THEY VOTE.

Thank god for the Green Party!  >:D
 
I dont get it - some of the info artsy posted is based on fact, some is conjecture, and some is opinion - but whats the point? Theres no context - is she saying we should not listen to news, or we are all being manipulated, or is this the mysterious proof someone was blabbing about in another thread?

In the end it looks like more of an advertisment.  We want debate not rebate!
 
I think you have all missed artsy's point. 
SHE FOUND THE RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON!!!

She can cut!!!  She can paste!!!  That is a big deal for a hippie. 

And for that matter, why would you ask anyone to do anything else?  Just read the articles at face value and convince yourself of the error of your killbot programmed mind.  ::)

Now I have to get to the baby market for tomorrows BBQ, before all the tender ones are gone.
 
I think she is representative of a cross-section of our country that has no clue as to what is really going on in places outside Canada...and assumes everything and anything that IS wrong is the fault of ol "GWB and the loonies in his Administration"...blah blah blah...not that they are perfect..cause no one is perfect...even folks from PEI aren't perfect!

Like I said early...if our military is a "sheep dog" its folks like her that we are around for...little soft fluffy white animals playin in the meadow that don't see the wolf in the long grass waiting...

:o
 
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