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2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

Glad to see he’s gone, but this was not handled well. Carney should have placed him on a rocket and fired into the moon yesterday. A definite lack of integrity in allowing this guy stick around for this long.
Agreed.

But people generally don’t just step down without a significant amount of pressure to so.

He may have been told to step down and they agreed as to the when.

A key Toronto riding, likely a significant fundraiser etc all clouded judgement on that one.

Personally he should have been removed and not allowed to do that.
 
Good to see - interesting to see what the RCMP look-see leads to as well.

I’d be more interested to know which RCMP unit looks into it.

It’ll be tough to establish that his comments constituted an offence, but it’s possible. I don’t have enough confidence to say either way.

Carney bungled this one. It should not have taken pressure to fire this candidate. I hope Tay wins the seat so a lesson is learned.
 
I am convinced that Carney should have publicly dismissed him.
But here is an interesting take from a poster on another chat group I participate in.
Maybe this person has more insight into the mindset of the Chinese diaspora than us "Round Eyes" have?

Sounds like he was told to resign, but let's not pretend to know what's been said between Mr. Chiang and the Prime Minister these past few days. Perhaps Carney saw this "less embarrassing exit" as the best option in the long term. The Chinese vote in Toronto is very important, and what happens in Markham could very well have a ripple effect on other ridings across the country with lots of Chinese Canadians. Many were calling for Carney to quickly fire him, but that could have make this a bigger issue than it needed to be.

Carney didn't make Chiang lose nearly as much face as he could have, and he really didn't have to do that either. I think a lot of the Chinese Canadian electorate will have have taken note on how this situation was dealt with in a positive way. To me, it shows Carney knows a thing or two about Chinese culture, and how he's dealt with this situation has probably helped him in other ridings with a lot of Chinese Canadians. If Carney had gone out of his way to fire Chiang and it became even more of a national new story, Mr. Chiang could have lost a lot more face, and Chinese Canadians themselves would have seen it as something that could make all Chinese Canadians lose face. Carney avoided this turning into a larger controversy by letting Mr. Chiang resign.

Anyone trying to make a big stink about this for Carney, now that it's been dealt with, is just grasping at straws...just like most of the other CPC attacks against Carney have been so far anyways. If Poilievre and CPC supporters continue to attack on this, it's not going to help them gain support of Chinese Canadian voters, who they absolutely need in BC.

Even if BC has more Hong Kongers and Taiwanese than found in Toronto, there's still more Mainland Chinese Canadians than HKers and Taiwanese in BC... and Hong Kong and Taiwanese Canadians already know that Carney is going to be anything but soft on China, based on what he's already said when asked about shifting the trade focus from the US to China. Carney wants to focus on Europe and reliable partners in Asia that share our trade values. However, if there was a chance to salvage the Canada-China relationship, I think its abundantly clear that Carney would be the far better option than Poilievre to negotiate with with the Chinese and work towards mending the relationship despite the fundamental differences that exist between Canada and China on trade, human rights, and other issues.

I don't think there will be too many Chinese Canadians, even those of HK and Taiwan extraction, who felt Carney wasn't tough enough on Mr. Chiang. Carney dealt with this issue fine. Had Carney swiftly fired Mr. Chiang, and made him lose more face as it became an even bigger national news story, that could have hurt the LPCs poll numbers with Chinese Canadians across the country. Carney dealt with the issue, but he didn't go out of his way to embarrass Mr. Chiang, which in my opinion, is the sign of a rational, balanced leader.

The only people who are going to pretend to continue to care about this issue past today are part of that 35+ percent, rock solid conservative base. For everyone else, the election moves on...
 
I am convinced that Carney should have publicly dismissed him.
But here is an interesting take from a poster on another chat group I participate in.
Maybe this person has more insight into the mindset of the Chinese diaspora than us "Round Eyes" have?

Sounds like he was told to resign, but let's not pretend to know what's been said between Mr. Chiang and the Prime Minister these past few days. Perhaps Carney saw this "less embarrassing exit" as the best option in the long term. The Chinese vote in Toronto is very important, and what happens in Markham could very well have a ripple effect on other ridings across the country with lots of Chinese Canadians. Many were calling for Carney to quickly fire him, but that could have make this a bigger issue than it needed to be.

Carney didn't make Chiang lose nearly as much face as he could have, and he really didn't have to do that either. I think a lot of the Chinese Canadian electorate will have have taken note on how this situation was dealt with in a positive way. To me, it shows Carney knows a thing or two about Chinese culture, and how he's dealt with this situation has probably helped him in other ridings with a lot of Chinese Canadians. If Carney had gone out of his way to fire Chiang and it became even more of a national new story, Mr. Chiang could have lost a lot more face, and Chinese Canadians themselves would have seen it as something that could make all Chinese Canadians lose face. Carney avoided this turning into a larger controversy by letting Mr. Chiang resign.

Anyone trying to make a big stink about this for Carney, now that it's been dealt with, is just grasping at straws...just like most of the other CPC attacks against Carney have been so far anyways. If Poilievre and CPC supporters continue to attack on this, it's not going to help them gain support of Chinese Canadian voters, who they absolutely need in BC.

Even if BC has more Hong Kongers and Taiwanese than found in Toronto, there's still more Mainland Chinese Canadians than HKers and Taiwanese in BC... and Hong Kong and Taiwanese Canadians already know that Carney is going to be anything but soft on China, based on what he's already said when asked about shifting the trade focus from the US to China. Carney wants to focus on Europe and reliable partners in Asia that share our trade values. However, if there was a chance to salvage the Canada-China relationship, I think its abundantly clear that Carney would be the far better option than Poilievre to negotiate with with the Chinese and work towards mending the relationship despite the fundamental differences that exist between Canada and China on trade, human rights, and other issues.

I don't think there will be too many Chinese Canadians, even those of HK and Taiwan extraction, who felt Carney wasn't tough enough on Mr. Chiang. Carney dealt with this issue fine. Had Carney swiftly fired Mr. Chiang, and made him lose more face as it became an even bigger national news story, that could have hurt the LPCs poll numbers with Chinese Canadians across the country. Carney dealt with the issue, but he didn't go out of his way to embarrass Mr. Chiang, which in my opinion, is the sign of a rational, balanced leader.

The only people who are going to pretend to continue to care about this issue past today are part of that 35+ percent, rock solid conservative base. For everyone else, the election moves on...

That seems to be a very forgiving view point.
 
I am convinced that Carney should have publicly dismissed him.
But here is an interesting take from a poster on another chat group I participate in.
Maybe this person has more insight into the mindset of the Chinese diaspora than us "Round Eyes" have?

Sounds like he was told to resign, but let's not pretend to know what's been said between Mr. Chiang and the Prime Minister these past few days. Perhaps Carney saw this "less embarrassing exit" as the best option in the long term. The Chinese vote in Toronto is very important, and what happens in Markham could very well have a ripple effect on other ridings across the country with lots of Chinese Canadians. Many were calling for Carney to quickly fire him, but that could have make this a bigger issue than it needed to be.

Carney didn't make Chiang lose nearly as much face as he could have, and he really didn't have to do that either. I think a lot of the Chinese Canadian electorate will have have taken note on how this situation was dealt with in a positive way. To me, it shows Carney knows a thing or two about Chinese culture, and how he's dealt with this situation has probably helped him in other ridings with a lot of Chinese Canadians. If Carney had gone out of his way to fire Chiang and it became even more of a national new story, Mr. Chiang could have lost a lot more face, and Chinese Canadians themselves would have seen it as something that could make all Chinese Canadians lose face. Carney avoided this turning into a larger controversy by letting Mr. Chiang resign.

Anyone trying to make a big stink about this for Carney, now that it's been dealt with, is just grasping at straws...just like most of the other CPC attacks against Carney have been so far anyways. If Poilievre and CPC supporters continue to attack on this, it's not going to help them gain support of Chinese Canadian voters, who they absolutely need in BC.

Even if BC has more Hong Kongers and Taiwanese than found in Toronto, there's still more Mainland Chinese Canadians than HKers and Taiwanese in BC... and Hong Kong and Taiwanese Canadians already know that Carney is going to be anything but soft on China, based on what he's already said when asked about shifting the trade focus from the US to China. Carney wants to focus on Europe and reliable partners in Asia that share our trade values. However, if there was a chance to salvage the Canada-China relationship, I think its abundantly clear that Carney would be the far better option than Poilievre to negotiate with with the Chinese and work towards mending the relationship despite the fundamental differences that exist between Canada and China on trade, human rights, and other issues.

I don't think there will be too many Chinese Canadians, even those of HK and Taiwan extraction, who felt Carney wasn't tough enough on Mr. Chiang. Carney dealt with this issue fine. Had Carney swiftly fired Mr. Chiang, and made him lose more face as it became an even bigger national news story, that could have hurt the LPCs poll numbers with Chinese Canadians across the country. Carney dealt with the issue, but he didn't go out of his way to embarrass Mr. Chiang, which in my opinion, is the sign of a rational, balanced leader.

The only people who are going to pretend to continue to care about this issue past today are part of that 35+ percent, rock solid conservative base. For everyone else, the election moves on...
It’s an interesting viewpoint, and parts of it do make sense with regards to targeting the Chinese-Canadian demographic across some key ridings. I don’t find it personally convincing from a principles standpoint, however the electoral math might check out for those with actual data to bring to bear.

I still believe he should have been turfed as soon as it was brought to the party’s attention and confirmed.
 
It’s an interesting viewpoint, and parts of it do make sense with regards to targeting the Chinese-Canadian demographic across some key ridings. I don’t find it personally convincing from a principles standpoint, however the electoral math might check out for those with actual data to bring to bear.

I still believe he should have been turfed as soon as it was brought to the party’s attention and confirmed.
I don’t buy it.

It could have been done immediately, quietly and without the “I stand behind him” comment. That last part is the tell.
 
Since we're on the topic of candidates being shown the door, for good reason.

Alt: https://archive.ph/mFsiZ
 
I don’t buy it.

It could have been done immediately, quietly and without the “I stand behind him” comment. That last part is the tell.
The LPC of the last 10 years had a big problem with pulling the trigger on decisions and this inability to do the right thing quickly is a tell of things to come in the future?
 
Since we're on the topic of candidates being shown the door, for good reason.

Alt: https://archive.ph/mFsiZ
Just saw this and was coming here to post it. Well handled- I don’t think it even had time to make the news before he was turfed.

The riding is one that’s definitely in play. It’s within margin of error, and also what I’d describe as “the margin of Liberals riding high”. A modest shift in LPC support could make this a tight race, and this is a riding with historically quite strong NDP support that could easily erode the LPC edge if they have any amount of resurgence. So, CPC are ditching a problem candidate in a riding where there’s a realistic possibility they could come up the middle between an NDP/LPC split if things shift much.

 
I’d be more interested to know which RCMP unit looks into it.

It’ll be tough to establish that his comments constituted an offence, but it’s possible. I don’t have enough confidence to say either way.
Im hoping they're taking a 'where there's smoke there's fire' approach and investigate for connections to to CCP.
 
Since we're on the topic of candidates being shown the door, for good reason.

Alt: https://archive.ph/mFsiZ
Damn, I didn't even have time to find an anti-Liberal story so could drop the standard "this is bad, but look at this". Poilievre already removed him.
 
I agree. It took far too long and too much pressure to do what was right on this.
Imagine what happens when Carney has to deal with another 2 Michael's situation. Perhaps it'll be another weak-kneed teachable moment.
 
That seems to be a very forgiving view point.
I think so to. But I will concede that I am not well versed in Chinese culture to know if that was the calculation being made.

In the end he is gone but not without Carney taking a bit of shine off his campaign in the process writ large.
 
Im hoping they're taking a 'where there's smoke there's fire' approach and investigate for connections to to CCP.
That’s probably more CSIS territory. Lots of people have ‘connections’ but haven’t committed offences, and if there isn’t criminality, that’s not RCMP territory. If CSIS became aware of potential criminality and had information they could disclose to RCMP, that’s likely where a referral for criminal investigation would happen.
 
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