2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Fishbone Jones]

Did Carney say he will remove the consumer carbon tax?

His history and new statements on this are all over the map. Here is what I expect to occur... He will remove the consumer carbon tax like I think he stated... and jump up carbon pricing on industry (again like he stated) who will in turn recover that increase in their rates or product costs. So you might see the "carbon tax" disappear from your utility bill, but probably will see a rate increase for example.

The what he's doing. Playing Canadians for ignorant suckers.
He can also keep the carbon tax rebate because he's not charging consumers the tax. More money in his coffers. More money to give away to foreign governments, or Eurasia Group, or Brookefields AM, or the Glasgow Climate Initiative, or..............

And if those taxed corporations are also faced with Trump's tariffs, it'll make it untenable to make money. They'll either close down or move to the US.

 

[ArmyRick]

They'll either close down or move to the US.

That is feeding into one of Trump's plans. He wants more businesses to come to the USA.

In my view, a big act of patriotism is not saying some bullshit like "Elbows up..." (from people who never been in a fistfight in their lives), it comes in the form of enabling businesses and corporations to stay in Canada, start in Canada and/or grow big in Canada.

I would rather reasonably tax 50,000 well paid employees than over tax one private corporation or business that allows said employees to make a good living.

 

[Navy_Pete]

So Pollievre 'axing the tax' is good if he gets elected, Carney killing the consumer tax within a few hours of being appointed is bad? Okay then.

 

[ArmyRick]

So Pollievre 'axing the tax' is good if he gets elected, Carney killing the consumer tax within a few hours of being appointed is bad? Okay then.

Not killing it. Reconfiguring it or hiding it further down the purchase chain. Net results is still HIGHER prices for BS climate fantasies that CO2 emissions from human technology is some sort of climate control knob. Its NOT.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Not killing it. Reconfiguring it or hiding it further down the purchase chain. Net results is still HIGHER prices for BS climate fantasies that CO2 emissions from human technology is some sort of climate control knob. Its NOT.

What exactly are you basing that on? There are a few classes of carbon taxes, and it seems like the consumer ones have been cut, with the high emitter tax on industry still in place. It takes a few days for OICs to be published, but based on the announcement seems pretty clear that the consumer portions of the carbon tax is being scrapped, full stop.

It's not 'being hidden or reconfigured'; the high emitter carbon tax was already in place, isn't changing, and was never clear to consumers anyway as it was always an indirect increase. What it seems like will drop off is the carbon tax on things like fuels, so things like gas prices should drop (which indirectly is already impacting the price of pretty much everything by increasing transport costs).

If PP 'axed the tax' people would see the same drop at the pump, and still have no idea what impact the high emitter tax getting cut has anyway, unless you are an accountant for a company that pays it.

Piss and moan all you want, but this will make real positive differences for a lot of Canadians in a very concrete way, without having to wait for an election.

 

[ArmyRick]

Mark Carney was clear during his leadership race on this. He was challenged on it as well. Did you not pay attention? The whole "people don't use steel" debacle? He also suggested a "carbon tariff" during the leadership race, or did you not pay attention?

Its an election gimmick. Carney is very much a "climate zealot" and is obsessed with carbon emissions from human technology. There is plenty of evidence over the last 5 years of his thinking on this.

Piss and moan all you want, but this will make real positive differences for a lot of Canadians in a very concrete way, without having to wait for an election

No, its an election gimmick. Do I really need another government employee (YOU!) to lecture me on basic business/economic principles? No.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Yes, it's an election gimmick. Yes, it also is a direct tax reduction people will notice.

I think carbon taxes are a terrible idea, so I'm not going to be sad about someone cutting them, regardless of their motivation.

If PP did the same thing on day 1 after an election, you wouldn't be celebrating this? Give me a break.

Lots of things are election gimmicks but this one will cut the price at the pump. Be mad about the gimmick sure, but don't make things up about it that didn't happen, and feel free to not vote for him.

 

[brihard]

So Pollievre 'axing the tax' is good if he gets elected, Carney killing the consumer tax within a few hours of being appointed is bad? Okay then.

Poilievre’s gonna need to find a new noun to verb.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yes, it's an election gimmick. Yes, it also is a direct tax reduction people will notice.

I think carbon taxes are a terrible idea, so I'm not going to be sad about someone cutting them, regardless of their motivation.

If PP did the same thing on day 1 after an election, you wouldn't be celebrating this? Give me a break.

Lots of things are election gimmicks but this one will cut the price at the pump. Be mad about the gimmick sure, but don't make things up about it that didn't happen, and feel free to not vote for him.

He dd NOT remove the carbon tax and he has NO INTENTION of removing the carbon tax. He just doesn't want the everyday Canadian like you to know what you are paying for it.

Pierre has said he wants the Carbon tax in all forms eliminated. You don't get it. Your no understanding it all. Do you own a business? I assume no.

 

[ArmyRick]

Poilievre’s gonna need to find a new noun to verb.

Whatever. Quit the Ottawa police and start a company, do it. Come on.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Poilievre’s gonna need to find a new noun to verb.

He sure will. One victory at a time.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So Pollievre 'axing the tax' is good if he gets elected, Carney killing the consumer tax within a few hours of being appointed is bad? Okay then.

For me it's the move from blind love and devotion to the Carbon Tax to suddenly disavowing and disowning it thats got me scratching my head.

Can a party claim to have principals of more substance than populism when they seemingly flip flop of what were corner stone pieces ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see the CT go the way of the dinosaurs, but it strikes me as pandering that it was that easily discarded by its creators.

 

[OldSolduer]

We need the election sooner, not later. Let's settle this and move on.

 

[brihard]

For me it's the move from blind love and devotion to the Carbon Tax to suddenly disavowing and disowning it thats got me scratching my head.

Can a party claim to have principals of more substance than populism when they seemingly flip flop of what were corner stone pieces ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see the CT go the way of the dinosaurs, but it strikes me as pandering that it was that easily discarded by its creators.

Might be that he’s simply shifted from seeing it through a policy lens to seeing it through a politics lens. It’s one thing to advocate a policy as an outsider, from a mathematical standpoint. It’s different once you’re in the hot seat having to pick your battles and be selective about what you choose as a battle, when, how hard you push a given issue, how much political capital it consumes, and what the opportunity cost is. He likely recognizes the political need to discard the policy if he intends to win an election.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Might be that he’s simply shifted from seeing it through a policy lens to seeing it through a politics lens. It’s one thing to advocate a policy as an outsider, from a mathematical standpoint. It’s different once you’re in the hot seat having to pick your battles and be selective about what you choose as a battle, when, how hard you push a given issue, how much political capital it consumes, and what the opportunity cost is. He likely recognizes the political need to discard the policy if he intends to win an election.

It's more so the legacy Liberals who suddenly turned on the CT after years of defending it at all turns. Even Guilbeault turned on it.

As for Carney, if what you're postulating is true that looks as I said previously, he's an unprincipled leader who will succumb to populism.

The other way this could be spun is PP could claim this as his policy victory without even being in power.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The other way this could be spun is PP could claim this as his policy victory without even being in power.

Poilievre said Trudeau has to go - and the LPC punted Trudeau.

Poilievre said axe the tax - and the LPC got rid of the consumer carbon tax.

Poilievre is doing pretty good. What can he accomplish next?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Poilievre said Trudeau has to go - and the LPC punted Trudeau.

Poilievre said axe the tax - and the LPC got rid of the consumer carbon tax.

Poilievre is doing pretty good. What can he accomplish next?

Walk back the firearms OICs ?

 

[CBH99]

For me it's the move from blind love and devotion to the Carbon Tax to suddenly disavowing and disowning it thats got me scratching my head.

Can a party claim to have principals of more substance than populism when they seemingly flip flop of what were corner stone pieces ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see the CT go the way of the dinosaurs, but it strikes me as pandering that it was that easily discarded by its creators.

Excellent point, and you have every right to be scratching your head...

On one day you've got the LPC introducing a carbon tax that gets increased every year, despite NOBODY in Canada wanting it or thinking it's a good idea...

Then the next day, the very individuals who pushed the carbon tax so hard & defended it so consistently all of a sudden just eliminate it...

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I don't trust Carney at all.

He's an unelected Prime Minister of a supposedly democratic country, who isn't even an elected MP.

Nobody voted for him to be PM. Nobody elected him as an MP.

The LPC (ruled by Trudeau as party leader) didn't even allow 2/3 of the LPC membership to cast a vote, so we can't even say he was elected by the LPC membership, either.

He's chosen to stick with mostly the same cabinet as Trudeau. He serves the same masters as Trudeau (it ain't us, none of us had a chance to vote for or against the guy)

While he may make some surface level changes to things & make some big announcements around those changes (like this carbon tax stuff) in the end nothing is going to really change for us economically.

Why would anything change? The guy who's been Trudeau's economic advisor for the last 4 years just replaced Trudeau as our PM...why would we expect much change at all?


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From what I'm hearing today, it sounds like he won't be calling an election until October...

If the LPC respected Canada's democracy, they would have specified that any candidate to replace Trudeau would have to be an elected MP.

But they didn't, even though you'd think it would be the lowest possible bar to set in terms of respecting our democracy. But they didn't.

And if Carney respected the concept of democracy, he would have called one today. And my understanding so far today is that isn't going to happen...

(Surely he is well aware he didn't get elected to be PM by the country, elected as an MP by a riding, or even elected party leader in an open & fair vote within the party. Calling an election today would have been the only honest course of action he could have taken really, but no...)

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Bottom line is...

- This isn't how a democracy is supposed to work, and we all know it.

- The carbon tax isn't gone. It's being rebranded and reconfigured, but it won't be gone

Sure, in the short term there may be some reprieve from it on the consumer side. But it's not going away altogether, and we all know that the corporations hit hardest by this tax will pass that cost down to the consumer one way or another.



My 2 cents anyway

 

[Good2Golf]

If the election is put off until October, Carney will (morally) have to seek a seat through a by-election.

 

[QV]

So Pollievre 'axing the tax' is good if he gets elected, Carney killing the consumer tax within a few hours of being appointed is bad? Okay then.

You nailed it! Well done! That’s all there is to it!