CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[DBNSG]

Is this a union thing ?

No I think its an RCMP thing in that they do not want to set up the service and support organization ( money ) to keep fleets as long as the RCAF. Transport Canada keeps its fleets far longer .

 

[AvroArrow92]

No I think it’s an RCMP thing in that they do not want to set up the service and support organization ( money ) to keep fleets as long as the RCAF. Transport Canada keeps its fleets far longer .

Transport recently divested itself of all aircraft, they no longer have a flight department. Budget cuts from the current government to a round out a square. I can speak from experience in the 705 airline world it’s caused the a considerable stir of “emotions”.

 

[childs56]

I am pretty sure that our Auroras (P3s) are close to, if not THE high time aircraft in the world for that fleet.

They need to go to sleep.

I am sure they have plenty of life in them once the government replaces them. Nothing a long shop period cant find, fix and modify to continue their life doing other duties. High hours means reliability.

 

[dapaterson]

I am sure they have plenty of life in them once the government replaces them. Nothing a long shop period cant find, fix and modify to continue their life doing other duties. High hours means reliability.

High hours means stress fractures.

 

[CBH99]

I am sure they have plenty of life in them once the government replaces them. Nothing a long shop period cant find, fix and modify to continue their life doing other duties. High hours means reliability.

High hours doesnt mean continued reliability. It just means they've been exceptionally reliable until they aren't...

 

[dapaterson]

Oddly enough, flying low and slow over the ocean is not the most gentle of environments for an aircraft.

 

[Maxman1]

Maybe repurpose the Kingfishers for surveillance and hand them off the the RCMP, and replace them with C-27 Spartans.

 

[RedFive]

The RCMP have an interesting policy rule about their aircraft. None are to be over seven years old. So about that Aurora fleet bought in 1980.....

I don't work for Air Services so can't speak specifically to that, but where did you hear this?

We have aircraft older than 7 years in our inventory in E Division, I can tell you that with absolute certainty.

I can also tell you we also have a policy of 160,000kms or 10 years whichever comes first a vehicle is retired and we never follow that.

So...

 

[armrdsoul77]

France and Airbus to study A321 MPA.

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[Colin Parkinson]

Transport recently divested itself of all aircraft, they no longer have a flight department. Budget cuts from the current government to a round out a square. I can speak from experience in the 705 airline world it’s caused the a considerable stir of “emotions”.

I know they divested the floatplanes, did they divest the Kingairs? Also all the CCG helicopters were owned and operated by TC under lease to the CCG, has that changed?

 

[suffolkowner]

Maybe repurpose the Kingfishers for surveillance and hand them off the the RCMP, and replace them with C-27 Spartans.

gross. change C-27 to C-130J

I don't work for Air Services so can't speak specifically to that, but where did you hear this?

We have aircraft older than 7 years in our inventory in E Division, I can tell you that with absolute certainty.

I can also tell you we also have a policy of 160,000kms or 10 years whichever comes first a vehicle is retired and we never follow that.

So...

Ive heard/read that before as well

 

[AvroArrow92]

I know they divested the floatplanes, did they divest the Kingairs? Also all the CCG helicopters were owned and operated by TC under lease to the CCG, has that changed?

I cannot speak to the contract work like the Dash 8 ice missions or CCG leased operations, but any bread and butter TC flight department (aka enforcement) is completely gone. Imagine hiring the competition now to transport Canadian government officials to place another bush operation on notice absolutely nuts. Absolute no perceived conflict of interest or inability to check on smaller operators.....

 

[YZT580]

Oddly enough, flying low and slow over the ocean is not the most gentle of environments for an aircraft.

sure it is. No pressurization stress

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I cannot speak to the contract work like the Dash 8 ice missions or CCG leased operations, but any bread and butter TC flight department (aka enforcement) is completely gone. Imagine hiring the competition now to transport Canadian government officials to place another bush operation on notice absolutely nuts. Absolute no perceived conflict of interest or inability to check on smaller operators.....

Shame, as I used to get Navigable Waters compliance from the heli-logging operators by saying if they didn't do X, I would fly up and land without notice at their operation with the Civil Aviation floatplane and the pilot would be a Civ Aiv Inspector who will want to take advantage of the visit to check their operation. Funny how that made them keen to comply.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

sure it is. No pressurization stress

I am at a loss for words.

Perhaps you should lay out for all of us your personal experience with Maritime Air?

 

[YZT580]

I am at a loss for words.

Perhaps you should lay out for all of us your personal experience with Maritime Air?

can you spell sarcasm? Previous boss spent several years in the nose of the argus so I heard enough to be well-acquainted with the stress on both man and machine

 

[Good2Golf]

We have aircraft older than 7 years in our inventory in E Division, I can tell you that with absolute certainty.

Yup, the E Div C206 is DEFINITELY not less than 7 years old! I was chatting with the guys a couple years back when we crossed paths and they wistfully looked over at our ride (a custom B200ER) and then said how they hoped for a turbine 206 at least.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

can you spell sarcasm? Previous boss spent several years in the nose of the argus so I heard enough to be well-acquainted with the stress on both man and machine

Sorry. I missed the sarcasm.

Low level, over the Ocean, is incredibly hard on aircraft.

The USN started to have issues with tail assembly fatigue in their P3 fleet in the mid 2010s and their airframes were younger than ours.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Sorry. I missed the sarcasm.

Low level, over the Ocean, is incredibly hard on aircraft.

The USN started to have issues with tail assembly fatigue in their P3 fleet in the mid 2010s and their airframes were younger than ours.

Will ASLEP get us to 2030 as intended?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I don’t think we have to get to 2030, anymore. IIRC the P8 delivery schedule starts next year and is unusually aggressive (for Canada).