Yup, like I said, easily granted.
Hamas invaded Israel 2023
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In my opinion I see a lot conflation of Judaism, Israel and Zionism. In turn this makes any criticism of any of the above an attack on Judaism and therefore antisemitic.
This couldn't be further from the truth, as for one reason, many of these protests have a large number of Jews in them and in some cases Jewish people are actually leading the protests. Of course you'll have a crazy person here and there (on both sides) but it's not representative of the movement.
This is a timely written article (by someone who's jewish) that crticizies the racist and colonial ideology of Zionism
www.theguardian.com
Quote from the article:
"That false idol is called Zionism.
It is a false idol that takes our most profound biblical stories of justice and emancipation from slavery – the story of Passover itself – and turns them into brutalist weapons of colonial land theft, roadmaps for ethnic cleansing and genocide"
Also, this was me for the past couple of weeks
This couldn't be further from the truth, as for one reason, many of these protests have a large number of Jews in them and in some cases Jewish people are actually leading the protests. Of course you'll have a crazy person here and there (on both sides) but it's not representative of the movement.
This is a timely written article (by someone who's jewish) that crticizies the racist and colonial ideology of Zionism
We need an exodus from Zionism | Naomi Klein
This Passover, we don’t need or want the false idol of Zionism. We want freedom from the project that commits genocide in our name
www.theguardian.com
Quote from the article:
"That false idol is called Zionism.
It is a false idol that takes our most profound biblical stories of justice and emancipation from slavery – the story of Passover itself – and turns them into brutalist weapons of colonial land theft, roadmaps for ethnic cleansing and genocide"
Also, this was me for the past couple of weeks
In my opinion I see a lot conflation of Judaism, Israel and Zionism. In turn this makes any criticism of any of the above an attack on Judaism and therefore antisemitic.
This couldn't be further from the truth, as for one reason, many of these protests have a large number of Jews in them and in some cases Jewish people are actually leading the protests. Of course you'll have a crazy person here and there (on both sides) but it's not representative of the movement.
This is a timely written article (by someone who's jewish) that crticizies the racist and colonial ideology of Zionism
We need an exodus from Zionism | Naomi Klein
This Passover, we don’t need or want the false idol of Zionism. We want freedom from the project that commits genocide in our name
Quote from the article:
"That false idol is called Zionism.
It is a false idol that takes our most profound biblical stories of justice and emancipation from slavery – the story of Passover itself – and turns them into brutalist weapons of colonial land theft, roadmaps for ethnic cleansing and genocide"
Also, this was me for the past couple of weeks
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Ah good, you’re back. When last you were here you blatantly ignored several questions directly to you about your views on the attacks of October 7th. Since your suspension is lifted, I’ll put it to you again: the topic of this thread being Hamas’ October 7th attack on Israel, what is your personal view of the legitimacy (if any) of Hamas’ attack, and the manner in which they conducted it?
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I’m not convinced. We’ve seen all sorts of protests at synagogues, businesses frequented by Jews, schools etc. If this was about Israel and Zionism then why target where Canadian Jews live, work and play?
By all means protest the embassy, protest at Parliament hill and other open public spaces but when protests are specifically targeting Jewish communities in Canada then its hard not to think that it isn’t anything other than anti semitism.
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Brad Sallows
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I see at least the following tiers of activism:
1. Pro-Palestinian.
2. Anti-Israel.
3. Anti-Jewish.
As long as (2) and (3) persist mixed in with (1), it's all on the activists to sort out what they expect to be held accountable for.
There's no justification for (3).
There's no acceptable political solution for (2).
1. Pro-Palestinian.
2. Anti-Israel.
3. Anti-Jewish.
As long as (2) and (3) persist mixed in with (1), it's all on the activists to sort out what they expect to be held accountable for.
There's no justification for (3).
There's no acceptable political solution for (2).
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Why does there need to be a political solution for (2)? Israel exists, it’s a legitimate legal state and it’s a done deal. They aren’t going anywhere, nor should they.
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OldSolduer
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Back to the 70s we are when terrorists were mostly upper middle class and university educated
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OldSolduer
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She could stand to lose a few pounds. Block the entries and exit points and water only goes in. Lets see how long this pseudo revolutionary lasts.
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Dude, it's WAY more complicated than that. Don't be ignorant. (I mean that politely)
I pesonally agree that there is no going back to pre-1948, but there are far too many people still in the middle least who are not happy with that. Ending decades of attempts to literally erase Israel from both non-state actors (Hezbelloah, Hamas, etc) and state-actors (Iran, and that one dude from Qatar), will take a political solution. But right now, there isn't one in sight.
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References?
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2 days ago, Brown University and the Brown Divest Coalition (BDC) reached an agreement where the students agreed clear the encampment and the University agreed to vote on divestment.
Check out the names of the representatives of BDC students...
From
1. Eli Grossman
2. Ariela Rosenzweig
They don't sound Izlamic to me
. I haven't done my research on other universities, but Jewish presence is huge and vocal in them.
Here's a clip of the agreement signatories (full agreement link in pdf is below for reference as requested).
None of that explains away the protests that have been targeting Jewish Canadians where they live.2 days ago, Brown University and the Brown Divest Coalition (BDC) reached an agreement where the students agreed clear the encampment and the University agreed to vote on divestment.
Check out the names of the representatives of BDC students...
From
1. Eli Grossman
2. Ariela Rosenzweig
They don't sound Izlamic to me
I haven't done my research on other universities, but Jewish presence is huge and vocal in them.
Here's a clip of the agreement signatories (full agreement link in pdf is below for reference as requested).
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Brad Sallows
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The point is that if someone claims to be "anti-Israel" but not "anti-Jewish", their position is only marginally better than being "anti-Jewish".
lenaitch
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So . . . two, based on the names only. Strong case.2 days ago, Brown University and the Brown Divest Coalition (BDC) reached an agreement where the students agreed clear the encampment and the University agreed to vote on divestment.
Check out the names of the representatives of BDC students...
From
1. Eli Grossman
2. Ariela Rosenzweig
They don't sound Izlamic to me
I haven't done my research on other universities, but Jewish presence is huge and vocal in them.
Here's a clip of the agreement signatories (full agreement link in pdf is below for reference as requested).
View attachment 84874
In northwestern Ontario, many First Nation members have Scottish surnames. Never saw one wearing a kilt or flying the Satire.
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If only being able to snapshot two Jewish sounding names from somewhere is your proof, then you are defeating your own legitimacy....2 days ago, Brown University and the Brown Divest Coalition (BDC) reached an agreement where the students agreed clear the encampment and the University agreed to vote on divestment.
Check out the names of the representatives of BDC students...
From
1. Eli Grossman
2. Ariela Rosenzweig
They don't sound Izlamic to me
I haven't done my research on other universities, but Jewish presence is huge and vocal in them.
Here's a clip of the agreement signatories (full agreement link in pdf is below for reference as requested).
View attachment 84874
OldSolduer
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We have a guy here at work with a Japanese sounding name. He’s Black.
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