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US Naval Dominance

Meanwhile, in the Arctic....

Top Navy Admiral Says No To Icebreakers​


As tensions rise in the Arctic with Russia and China expanding their presence, Congresswoman Betty McCollum – ranking member of the powerful Defense Appropriations Subcommittee – confronted Navy Chief Of Naval Operations Mike Gilday in a heated hearing on Wednesday, asking hard questions on the United States’ preparedness in this strategic region. Surprisingly, Gilday sidestepped responsibility for icebreakers, passing the buck to the United States Coast Guard (USCG). Amidst growing global competition, this evasion raises critical questions about the U.S. military’s commitment to safeguarding national security and economic interests in the Arctic.

“China has participated in 33 Arctic operations in the last two decades. They engage in all major Arctic institutions and continue to expand their icebreaker fleet, which now includes two medium icebreakers, and they are currently developing heavy icebreakers,” Betty McCollum said while questioning Gilday and Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro. She highlighted that “Russia alone has 40 icebreakers, including two nuclear-powered ones.”

 
Meanwhile, in the Arctic....

Top Navy Admiral Says No To Icebreakers​


As tensions rise in the Arctic with Russia and China expanding their presence, Congresswoman Betty McCollum – ranking member of the powerful Defense Appropriations Subcommittee – confronted Navy Chief Of Naval Operations Mike Gilday in a heated hearing on Wednesday, asking hard questions on the United States’ preparedness in this strategic region. Surprisingly, Gilday sidestepped responsibility for icebreakers, passing the buck to the United States Coast Guard (USCG). Amidst growing global competition, this evasion raises critical questions about the U.S. military’s commitment to safeguarding national security and economic interests in the Arctic.

“China has participated in 33 Arctic operations in the last two decades. They engage in all major Arctic institutions and continue to expand their icebreaker fleet, which now includes two medium icebreakers, and they are currently developing heavy icebreakers,” Betty McCollum said while questioning Gilday and Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro. She highlighted that “Russia alone has 40 icebreakers, including two nuclear-powered ones.”

The Admiral said no to Navy icebreakers. In my opinion he's right that the USCG should be the service investing in icebreakers.
 
The USCG arms then anyway like a RCN Frigate…
A fully working RCN frigate! Sadly the clarification is required.

Was really interesting talking to the USCG folks when we were all socializing in Boston because we happened to all be alongside for a port visit; they were doing higher ops tempo in more real ops than we were as an HR ships, and also had the ROEs to support. Nothing like deploying off Syria with only self defence, and not even ROEs for boardings.
 
A fully working RCN frigate! Sadly the clarification is required.

Was really interesting talking to the USCG folks when we were all socializing in Boston because we happened to all be alongside for a port visit; they were doing higher ops tempo in more real ops than we were as an HR ships, and also had the ROEs to support. Nothing like deploying off Syria with only self defence, and not even ROEs for boardings.
From what I have gathered the USCG is considered another armed service like the USN, USAF, USMC and the US Army, they just work for a different department or something like that.
 
The Admiral said no to Navy icebreakers. In my opinion he's right that the USCG should be the service investing in icebreakers.
Hopefully the USCG can leverage the shipbuilding industry that's currently running at near full capacity with USN orders somehow, and get a few icebreakers built

Having the USN build them and then transfer them to the USCG might be a way to get them built faster & from more experienced shipbuilders.


From what I have gathered the USCG is considered another armed service like the USN, USAF, USMC and the US Army, they just work for a different department or something like that.
Indeed they are considered a branch of the armed forces, and I believe fall under the direct control of Department of Homeland Security.
 
From what I have gathered the USCG is considered another armed service like the USN, USAF, USMC and the US Army, they just work for a different department or something like that.
The USCG is an odd duck.
They have a LE role under DHS, a wartime role role under DoD, and of course the Maritime Safety, SAR etc roles that are outside of those.
 
The USCG is an odd duck.
They have a LE role under DHS, a wartime role role under DoD, and of course the Maritime Safety, SAR etc roles that are outside of those.
It was not till 2001 that they were full time under Homeland Security/DND. Their taskings are wide and varied, including protecting naval stations overseas. Their Surfboat stations, might as well be a totally different Coastguard as they do very little enforcement and lot of SAR (I admire their Surfboatmen a lot)
 
It was not till 2001 that they were full time under Homeland Security/DND. Their taskings are wide and varied, including protecting naval stations overseas. Their Surfboat stations, might as well be a totally different Coastguard as they do very little enforcement and lot of SAR (I admire their Surfboatmen a lot)
They were DoD pre 9/11.
They got the DHS when it was created post 9/11
 
They were DoD pre 9/11.
They got the DHS when it was created post 9/11
To be a pain
Modern Coast Guard after merging Revenue Cutter service, Lifeboat service and Bureau of Navigation

FIRST Dept of Treasury
Then the Dept of Transportation
The 2001 in the new Homeland Security

Can in whole or part be put under the Dept of Navy by order of Congress or the President.

When in the normal homeland security they can be law enforcement. They do not fall under the Posse Comitatus act. So you see USCG detachment on US Navy ship but still under DHS.
 
To be a pain
Modern Coast Guard after merging Revenue Cutter service, Lifeboat service and Bureau of Navigation

FIRST Dept of Treasury
Then the Dept of Transportation
The 2001 in the new Homeland Security

Can in whole or part be put under the Dept of Navy by order of Congress or the President.
To quibble a point the USCG is still part of the US Armed Forces, but only falls under DoD (USN) during times of war, as directed by Act of Congress of Presidential Order.
It has been that way since inception, but it's other parent has changed as you note above.
When in the normal homeland security they can be law enforcement. They do not fall under the Posse Comitatus act. So you see USCG detachment on US Navy ship but still under DHS.
LE Dets, used for boardings of things that using the USN would cause issues :)
 
Plus

The US has 8 Uniformed Services

6 of them are Armed Services

5 of them are the Armed Forces are under DOD

2 are under the Department of the Navy
Untied States Navy
United States Marine Corp

One under the Department of the Army
United Sates Army

2 under the Department of the Air Force
United States Air Force
United States Space Force

Now outside DOD
United States Coast Guard under DHS


Leaving two more Uniformed Services but not Armed Forces

United States Public Health Service Commissioned Officer Corp under
The Depth of Health and Human Services

Last is NOAA National Oceanic and Atmosphere Admin Commissioned Officer Corp. (The weathermen) under the Department of Commerce.

The last two also fall under the Geneva Convention for POWs. Are also under the Uniformed Code, rank and pay structure.

OT.....the next new one will a new US Cyber Force. There is talk starting now.

The Dept of the Army wants a second too...because....
 
There are some additional subsets and a bunch of workarounds.

In someways we are our own worst enemies.
 
Space Marines.....in space no one can hear you bark.......
 

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