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Abrams in the 58 tank battalion  ----- back to the future (at least until 2030)

By the way, I note that the Brits and the Yanks both use 14 tank sub-units.  The Yanks use 3x 4 tank sub-sub-units while the Brits use 4x 3 tank sub-sub-units.  Any thought of the advantages/disadvantages of the two systems, keeping in mind that all nations seem to be thinning out their heavy armour stocks.

October 2004

ARMY FUTURE FORCE 
Abrams Tank Still Far From Retirement 
by Roxana Tiron 


he battle-tested Abrams tank is poised to remain in service for at least 25 more years, or until the Army is certain that it has an adequate replacement.

The tank will stay in the Army, â Å“until we are convinced that the Future Combat Systems is going to give us better lethality,â ? said Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker.

Abrams tanks will be upgraded not only so they can stay relevant for many more years but also so they can be used as test platforms for FCS, Schoomaker told National Defense following a hearing of the House Armed Services Committee.

The FCS network, which glues together 17 manned and unmanned systems, is scheduled to become operational between 2008 and 2014. The tank replacement was pushed to the latter stages of the program.

Some time between now and 2008, the Army will set up an experimental unit that will include Abrams tanks specifically assigned to test FCS command-and-control network and communications systems, according to Army plans.

The tanks that were sent into battle in Iraq, mainly to the 3rd and 4th Infantry Divisions, have received a broader command-and-control capability, said Schoomaker.

â Å“In those formations, they can control UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles]; they can connect with joint fires; they can pull down intelligence from [the] national, division and corps level,â ? he said.

The spiral development and implementation of FCS technology is going to benefit the tank fleet, said Col. Dennis Szydlosky, the Training and Doctrine Command's systems manager for Abrams at Fort Knox, Ky. â Å“It is going to give us the opportunity to profit from new technologies,â ? Szydlosky told National Defense.

â Å“Anything that is relatively mature for an FCS manned vehicle we would consider to either improve capability or address shortcomings in the Abrams.â ?

Of high interest is the active protection system, which is expected to be included on the Stryker light armored vehicle, as well as on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, he said.

Another goal is to have better 360-degree vision capability for the remote weapon station on the tank. That would allow a soldier to fire the machine gun from inside the vehicle, instead of from the turret where he would be vulnerable, he explained.

â Å“In order for the tank to stay relevant, it is going to have to be integrated into the FCS network,â ? Szydlosky said. â Å“We see tanks working with FCS in the future,â ? he added.

Under the Army's new modularity concept, tank brigades will be restructured into units of action, said Maj. Ben Harris, the assistant Abrams systems manager at Fort Knox.

â Å“The unit of action, instead of having three battalions, is going to have two task forces, and they are going to have two companies of Bradley [fighting vehicles] and two companies of tanks each,â ? he said. â Å“In the future, the unit of action will have 58 tanks. This is how much used to be in an old tank battalion, before we decided to go to 44 when we came out withâ ? the M1A2 system enhancement package of the mid-1990s.

Currently, a mechanized brigade has two infantry battalions and one tank battalion, while an armor brigade has two armor battalions and an infantry battalion, he explained. In addition, a mechanized brigade has 44 tanks, while an armor brigade has 88 tanks, he explained.

By the end of the decade, the Army is supposed to have two Abrams tank configurationsâ ”the upgraded M1A2 system enhancement package (SEP) and the M1A1. A good number of the M1A1 tanks will have been rebuilt as part of the Abrams integrated

management program, and some will still be the older variant, said Szydlosky.

The Abrams tank is no stranger to extensive makeovers. More than a decade ago, the initial analog M1A1s transitioned to a digital version, the M1A2. However, by the mid 1990s, additional requirements placed a burden on the original M1A2 electronics. More memory, faster processing and better displays were needed to support the Army's emerging command-and-control system, Force XXI Battle Command, Brigade-and-Below (FBCB2), and the integration of a second generation forward-looking infrared (FLIR).

The M1A2 SEP was developed to address these new requirements.

The second generation FLIR on the SEP refines target acquisition and identification. The SEP has an improved power management system that protects the electronics from voltage spikes. FBCB2 required incorporation of a color flat panel video display to support viewing a color digital terrain map with icons. The SEP also has a thermal management system that cools the tank's interior.

Under the continuous electronics enhancement program, six SEP electronics boxes were redesigned. In addition, a block upgrade to the second generation FLIR is included in the SEP/CEEP configuration. To that end, a production contract has been awarded to General Dynamics Land Systems, the Abrams' prime contractor, to build 129 SEP/CEEP tanks that will replace the remaining M1A2s in the field.

One change in store for the M1A2 SEP, based on lessons learned from Operation Iraqi Freedom, will be a new auxiliary power supply, Szydlosky said. That basically means adding batteries to a voltage regulator on the SEP, he explained.

â Å“The regulator now is older technology, and by tweaking that we can get more out of the batteries,â ? he said. By using batteries, the tankers can run the vehicle's electronics without turning on the engine.

â Å“To get a near-term capability, we are going to go with some additional batteries in a space that was already available [on the tank],â ? he said. â Å“They will go on the 3rd Cavalry SEPs first, but we expect [the capability] to be applied on all SEPs eventually.â ?

The SEP will also receive improved electronics components, gunner and commander displays, Szydlosky said. â Å“It will be a newer generation technology.â ?

The Army has funds through 2007 to finish outfitting the M1A2 SEP tanks, said Harris, who noted that it is possible that funding could be stretched out for a few more years. In the fiscal year 2005 defense appropriations bill, the SEP program received $292 million.

â Å“We are not converting all the M1A2s into SEP,â ? Szydlosky noted. A few years from now, the 1st Cavalry Division, 4th Infantry Division and 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment will be the only ones to have the SEP, he said.

By fiscal year 2009, a good chunk of the remaining tanks will be converted to M1A1 AIM tanks, while other M1A1 tanks will receive certain modifications, according to Szydlosky. The AIM is a completely rebuilt M1A1, Szydlosky explained. The 2005 defense appropriations bill allotted $116.9 million for M1A1 modifications.

Some of the modifications applied over the years to the AIM tank have been a pulse jet air system for self-cleaning of the engine air filters; an external auxiliary power unit for recharging batteries and silent watch; an eye-safe laser rangefinder, making force-on-force training possible using the tank fire-control system; an embedded diagnostics system; and a digital electronic-control unit for the AGT1500 engine, which provides improved fuel economy.

But despite the extensive changes, the experience from Operation Iraqi Freedom has prompted other significant modifications to the M1A1 tanks. Under the name â Å“M1A1 OIF tank,â ? these changes will be introduced on the AIM production lines in late 2006, sources said.

As such, the AIM tanks will receive a second-generation forward-looking infrared sensor, blue force tracking, an embedded diagnostics capability and the commander's independent thermal viewer, which already is installed on the M1A2 SEP.

Of the 115 AIM tanks that will be produced in 2006, 69 of them will have the OIF upgrade, according to officials. The AIM program produces between 115 and 135 tanks a year depending on availability of funds, the service said.

As both the upgraded SEP and AIM configurations come off the production lines, some safety modifications are being applied, said Szydlosky.

â Å“A number of those things are automatically integrated,â ? he said. One of these is the drivers' hatch interlock, which is the switch that keeps the turret from moving when the driver opens his hatch, he said. It is something that SEP already has. Minor design changes also are being made such as those to the gunner seat, with a pin that can adjust the driver seat.

â Å“Anything that is being built or retrofitted has all those improvements,â ? he said. â Å“We go to units in the field, based on priorities, and add those modifications out in the field to the tanks that did not have them when they were produced.â ?

The program management office for combat systems has initiated an effort to conduct sessions with each unit deploying to Iraq. The configuration of their tanks is evaluated to ensure that as many of the desirable modifications are applied as possible, according to Army sources.

The focus is on the high-payoff modifications for the units deploying into combat, he said. â Å“None of those are show stoppers for deployment,â ? he added.

Meanwhile, the sandy conditions, hot temperature, high mileage on the suspension and tracks and heavy power use in Iraq have prompted extensive maintenance requirements, he said.

But not all tanks undergo the same regime, Szydlosky said. â Å“You have different tank configurations and different histories of use, either from home stations or pre-positioned stocks. Not all the tanks are the same types and [they do] not get the same disposition,â ? he said.

Battle-damaged tanks could go to a U.S. depot, return to a pre-positioned tank stock, or be refitted and repaired in the theater. Some may return to home station, he explained. Some tanks are left at home station, and others stay behind while units deploy and get additional maintenance, he said.

Parallel with the necessary upgrades and maintenance, the Army is working on improved ammunition for its Abrams tanks, said Szydlosky. â Å“We are on track to field the A29A3 kinetic energy round,â ? he said. â Å“It is not something that we have to have in Iraq.â ?

The service also is developing an anti-personnel canister round, Harris said. â Å“There was an urgent requirement from Korea in 1999 for that round. It took a long time to process the requirement.â ? More recently, â Å“there was a request from Europe for this round to support ops in Iraq, and it was not ready for them,â ? he said.

Low-rate production was scheduled for the summer, but the roundâ ”which would contain about 1,003 tungsten ballsâ ”is not expected to be operational before 2007, he said.

A new training round also is on the list, Szydlosky said. The round is supposed to match the appearance and performance of the multi-purpose anti-tank round, he said. Much of this new ammunition was in development well before the war with Iraq, he explained. But the current ammunition used in the conflict proved satisfactory, he said.

Another improvement to the tank not associated with the war in Iraq entails engine revitalization. However, the tank will continue to be powered by its current AGT1500 turbine engine, he said.

â Å“We are working on a way to improve our rebuilt process, so that we have an engine that is more durable and has a longer service life,â ? he said. â Å“We want to improve our rebuild process and have a single rebuilt standard, [and a] tracking system of the power-pack.â ?

The Army is planning to place tags on each engine component to track its use and maintenance to be able to refine the rebuilt program, he said. â Å“We need to know how much it had been used,â ? he said.

No new engines were produced after 1990, he said. Furthermore, the Army did not refine the tracking process until now, because the service focused on developing a new engine that would have been common between the tank and the Crusader, which was canceled in 2002, he said.

â Å“For the foreseeable future, it is going to be the AGT1500, and if we rebuild it better, we are going to have a better engine,â ? he said.


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http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1639
 
Bradleys are being upgraded and thinned out as well.

October 2004

Bradley Vehicle Improvements Reflect War Lessons 

by Roxana Tiron 


Responding to needs born out of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the U.S. Army is charging ahead with quick fixes to its Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

But while the service is paying for a limited number of upgraded vehicles, concerns remain on whether the Army will have enough modernized Bradleys to equip future brigades.

The Bradley Fighting Vehicle, like the Abrams tank, is poised to stay in the force until 2030, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker told lawmakers. That ultimately means that it would have to receive necessary upgrades until the service transitions into the Future Combat Systems, the Army's banner transformation program and communications network.

The problem does not lie in a shortage of Bradleysâ ”which first entered the service in 1981â ”but in the funding to refurbish those available.

The Army has a total of 6,712 vehicles, â Å“considerably more than the Army needs,â ? said Ron Kuykendall, technical advisor to the Army for Bradley and Stryker light armored vehicles at Fort Benning, Ga. No new Bradleys are coming off the production lines, he added.

About 62 vehicles are projected for each future brigade, called â Å“unit of action,â ? meaning that a sizeable number of vehicles will need an overhaul.

In coming years, the Army would need to refurbish up to 400 Bradleys every 12 months to satisfy the chief of staff's plan to field 43 to 48 brigade units of action, said an Army source.

Bradleys currently in the force include the original M2A2, the M2A2 Operation Desert Stormâ ”an upgrade to the A2 introduced after the 1991 Persian Gulf Warâ ”and the M2A3, the most advanced version available. The Bradleys come in infantry and cavalry variants.

Initially, 1,107 Bradleys were supposed to be refurbished into the A3 configurations. But budget constraints caused that number nearly to be halved to 595, Kuykendall said.

The A3 is a remanufactured A2 or A2 ODS Bradley, he said. The contractor â Å“would basically take the vehicles down to the hull and rebuild them,â ? he said in an interview. â Å“It's actually not very important what variant comes in the door.â ?

The A3 now is deployed with the 1st Cavalry Division and the 4th Infantry Division, minus three infantry battalions, said Kuykendall.

The A3 can travel at a maximum speed of 38 miles per hour. Its turret has a 360-degree continuous traverse ability. The A3 features dual target tracking, automatic gun target adjustment and a driver's day and night vision, according to United Defense LP, the prime

contractor.

Because the Bradley will support the Army â Å“for some time to come, we are still faced with the challenge to modernize the fleet or maintain the fleet,â ? Kuykendall said. â Å“There is a delta between the 1,107 and 595, so we have to do something with that.â ?

The options are either to maintain the current level for some years or â Å“take advantage of the funding that is availableâ ? to give

them the upgrades the soldiers in the field

requested, he said.

The Army favored the latter scenario, which resulted in the design for the Bradley OIF. â Å“What was identified was a desire to have an integrated [Force XXI Battle Command, Brigade-and-Below] FBCB2 system,â ? he said.

The next item was the desire to be able to see out to the maximum effective range of its weapons systems, and the next was an accurate navigation system.â ?

Ultimately, the Army's goal is to have a combined fleet of A3 and OIF Bradleys, said Kuykendall.

United Defense this summer was awarded a $191.1 million contract to remanufacture and upgrade 131 older Bradleys to an M3A2 (cavalry) configuration. It incorporates the latest enhancements based on the Army's lessons learned during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

As part of the same contract, United Defense will deliver 31 M7 Bradley Fire Support (BFIST) vehicles and provide 40 Bradley A2 Operation Desert Storm (ODS) kit set. The company also received $19.8 million for spare parts for Bradley A3 vehicles and the Bradley A2 OIF versions, and $7.1 million to provide blue force tracking kits for Bradley A2 ODS vehicles.

United Defense received a separate $42.9 million contract in August for additional modification work. That contract includes an option worth $3.8 million to integrate the enhanced 25 mm main gun used on the Bradley M3A3 into the M3A2 vehicles.

Work on the Bradley OIF is scheduled to start in late 2005, and the vehicles are to be delivered by August 2006.

â Å“Until then, [units] will have to deal with what they have,â ? Kuykendall said. Still, â Å“the concern is that you still want to give the soldiers the things that they have asked for,â ? he added.

The Bradley OIF includes the base features of the Bradley A2ODS and integrates the Bradley A3 improved Bradley acquisition system, second generation forward-looking infrared, improved inertial navigation system, and FBCB2 command and control.

The upgrades â Å“can get complicated,â ? said Kuykendall. â Å“The vehicles that we are looking at doing these modifications to are the Bradley A2 and the Bradley A2 ODS,â ? he said. â Å“The A2 has no navigation system, and we have to do modifications to append the FBCB2 system to the A2 and the ODS.â ?

It is more affordable to upgrade existing Bradleys to the OIF version than build the A3 vehicles, which are fully digital and therefore very expensive, said Kuykendall. Digital enhancements will be added to the OIF vehicle without building it from the wheels up, which would be the case with the A3, he said.

â Å“The Bradley A2 and ODS are analog vehicles, whereas the A3 is all-digital,â ? he said. â Å“What we are doing is that we are adding the main componentsâ ”the navigation, the sights and the FBCB2â ”onto an analog vehicle, so this is sort of a hybrid.â ?

Kuykendall said the first OIF Bradleys are slated to go to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment to respond to an immediate need. Meanwhile, Bradley recapitalization, after the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, will benefit from the $114 million allotted for fiscal year 2005, along with another $34 million to initiate the Bradley integrated modernization program. Bradley sustainment efforts also received almost $245 million in the 2005 defense appropriations bill.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1640
 
Meanwhile, movement towards the 30 ton tank?

October 2004

Improved Metals Applied to Marine Vehicle 

by Joe Pappalardo 


A process using advanced nano-science in metal processing may provide the material for a tough, lightweight Marine expeditionary vehicle, Navy researchers predict.

The process known as cryomilling is adding properties to aluminum that may be used to forge a craft with the toughness and low weight required by the Marine Corps, according to Rodney Peterson, project manager with the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Carderock, Md.

The blue-sky hope, Peterson told the audience at a recent conference, is to design â Å“a 30-ton tank to replace a 70-ton tankâ ? for the Marines.

The Carderock Division is contributing to the development of a future U.S. Marine Corps family of vehicles, referred to as the Marine Air-Ground Task Force Expeditionary Family of Fighting Vehicles (MEFFV). Navy technical experts are managing an advanced materials development program that is generating lightweight structures and technologies to meet the Corps' needs.

The MEFFV will replace the M1A1 Abrams tank and the light armored vehicle by 2020. This effort started in 2002 and is halfway through the development process, Peterson said.

Metals are not monolithic slabs of material, but are composed of individual grains of similar composition with differing crystalline orientations. In general, smaller grain size means greater strength. Cryomilling takes the concept several steps further.

Navy scientists are changing standard aluminum (AL 5083) by introducing grains of aluminum so small that the material's properties change. Doing this requires grinding, or milling, the aluminum powder in extremely cool temperatures that is obtained by exposure to liquid nitrogen. The process encourages the formation of nano-scale aluminum oxide and nitride particles, which makes materials stronger, as well as stabilizing their microscopic orientation and structure.

Initial tests at Carderock indicate yield and tensile strength improvements of 150 percent over untreated aluminum, Peterson said. â Å“These are initial findings,â ? he noted. â Å“But it looks like we're on the right track.â ?

He warned, however, that the technologies are new and their performance qualities are untested when applied to real-world systems. Carderock has submitted a small business innovative research solicitation to look at ways of making cryomilling cheaper, he added.

Mixing cryomilled aluminum with standard-sized particles brings the best of both worlds: increasing strength but keeping the material malleable, said Larry Kabacoff, program manager for nano-structured materials for the Office of Naval Research.

Materials made from purely cryomilled aluminum are three times as strong but often too brittle for the real world, while a composite of conventional and nano-enhanced aluminum is only twice as strong, but with the same ductility.

â Å“It's not magic,â ? Kabacoff said. â Å“You still have to be smart. You still have to do the engineering.â ?

Standard aluminum is used for armor-hull structures in many other vehicles, making cryomilling a versatile method for the defense industry. The Bradley M2/M3 Fighting Vehicle, M109 Paladin Self-Propelled howitzer and M113 Humvee currently use AL 5083.

The Space Shuttle also will use cryomilled aluminum to replace titanium parts, which become brittle after repeated exposures to liquid hydrogen fuel burns, Kabacoff noted.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1631
 
This articles makes the case for the value of Medium Armor and smaller, more deployable, more flexible UAs.

It also describes the pitfalls of the the 1950s Pentomic Divisions the US Army tried, where communications technology prevented Command maintaining situational awareness at the same time as Command held all support assets tightly.

The argument is made for organizations more like US Cavalry Squadrons and Regiments, or for that matter USMC MEUs/MEBs which contain all supporting arms and have a high degree of independence of action.

Medium Armor and the Transformation of the U. S. Military
 
Source: The Lexington Institute
 
No reference
 
Released September 2004
 

24 pages in PDF format (with illustrations) (2 MB)  

The war in Iraq has made one fact clear: the U.S. Army and Marine Corps need units organized around medium armor. Light forces and vehicles are maneuverable but lack force protection and striking power. Traditional heavy forces, while providing excellent protection, are strategically ponderous, logistically expensive and largely inappropriate for peacekeeping missions. Had more medium armor been available in Iraq, American lives could have been saved.  
From this premise, the authors of this report analyze the US military's current plans to set up, equip and deploy units equipped with medium armored vehicles that are â Å“more mobile, digital, survivable and lethal.â ?  
The centerpiece of the Future Force is expected to be the Future Combat System (FCS). The FCS is more than a single weapons platform and will serve more than one kind of warrior. It is an array of up to 18 platforms, manned and unmanned, ground and airborne. It is envisioned as a network-centric â Å“system of systemsâ ? centered on a common vehicle chassis. The Army has declared that it wants the first FCS-equipped Unit of Action by 2014.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?session=dae.4308111.1089903978.QPadasOa9dUAAESlMZk&modele=jdc_34


http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/defense/pdf/MediumArmor.pdf.








 
This looks like something we are trying with ISTAR, except we are tending to go "Light", when we had Medium capabilities and now consider them 'Obsolete'.  Leopards, M 109s, Badgers, Bibers, M 113s and 548s all gone the way of the dinosaur.  :'(

GW
 
If the US is drawing down the M-2s, we could take them and rebuild them to the following formula:

http://www.knox.army.mil/center/ocoa/ArmorMag/ja97/4lastmbt.pdf. The modified Bradley pictured in the article represents a "best guess" look at a quickly available LOSAT platform, and there is no reason the same vehicle couldn't carry FOG-M or even a mixed battery of missiles. Close protection would have to come from accompanying infantry, and long range target data will have to be available to the vehicle crew to use the weapons to their best effect. Using this as the baseline, and assuming we can purchase Bradley's as the US forces does a draw down, we can build the Combat Team of Tomorrow with the following:

"Kodiak" section carriers. The M-2 turret is removed and replaced by a low profile weapons mount to reduce weight and silhouette.
"Cheetah" fire support vehicles carrying FOG-M, LOSAT or mix as the tactical situation dictates (as in illustration in the article cites above)
"Fox" recce and surveillance vehicles. Similar to the Kodiak, the Fox -A have a mast mounted sensor suites (surveillance, FOO/FAC/MFC vehicles), while the Fox-B carries the dismounted recce section. The mast is quick raising and lowering, and robust enough to use on the move. Think of a submarine periscope rather than the current Coyote mast.
"Kodiak mortar carrier", using a mortar for area coverage (HE/smoke/illum). Cheetahs use the PGM's to take out point and hard targets. Mortar selection could be 81mm, emphasizing volume of fire (i.e. lots of rounds) or 120mm, emphasizing range and possibly "smart" mortar rounds (STRIX or similar)

A combat team would cover a lot of ground, with a Fox recce troop operating ahead, Kodiak's and Cheetahs one or two bounds back and the Mortar carriers a bound in the rear. This would be an operationaly "medium" weight force, which should strike a balance between the mobility of light forces and the protection/firepower of heavy forces.
 
Ahh...but that's tracked - we couldn't have that, could we?
 
Out heretic! Stop bringing up inconvenient facts!

We could do the same...

a_majoor said:
"Kodiak" section carriers. The M-2 turret is removed and replaced by a low profile weapons mount to reduce weight and silhouette.
"Cheetah" fire support vehicles carrying FOG-M, LOSAT or mix as the tactical situation dictates (as in illustration in the article cites above)
"Fox" recce and surveillance vehicles. Similar to the Kodiak, the Fox -A have a mast mounted sensor suites (surveillance, FOO/FAC/MFC vehicles), while the Fox-B carries the dismounted recce section. The mast is quick raising and lowering, and robust enough to use on the move. Think of a submarine periscope rather than the current Coyote mast.
"Kodiak mortar carrier", using a mortar for area coverage (HE/smoke/illum). Cheetahs use the PGM's to take out point and hard targets. Mortar selection could be 81mm, emphasizing volume of fire (i.e. lots of rounds) or 120mm, emphasizing range and possibly "smart" mortar rounds (STRIX or similar)

...if we were willing to embark in an extensive modification/rebuild program to create the LAV 3.5, but this would be a lot of money and effort, and we would still be deficient in cross country mobility and armour protection. But we can still dream, can't we?
 
Kirkhill,

Interesting articles.  For better or for worse the Canadian Army is installing situational awareness systems and command support technology wholesale at the tactical level.  To go back to your original question regarding the advantages and disadvantages of the US vs UK Tank Company/Squadron, however, I would prefer an organization with three Troops of four tanks plus SHQ rather than four Troops of three tanks.  I was in a tank squadron two years ago, and we adopted the three Troop organization for our Squadrons when the Regt went to two tank Squadrons.  A Troop of four tanks is well balanced tactically (two fire teams) and can lose a vehicle (due to the enemy or breakdown) and still be effective.  Three Troops still worked in the Combat Team setting (one in the Fire Base, one Assault with breach and one in Intimate Support.  We had the best of both worlds, of course, with the eighteen tank squadron (plus one more if the dozer was up)!

I'm sure that people who worked in the UK Tank Squadrons would disagree with me, and perhaps I have been warped by spending too much time in Fort Knox as a young subbie!  I guess that this is a rather moot point, as our days of combat teams etc are rapidly coming to an end.

As for the Bradley in Canadian service, at this point I believe that we should stay with our current fleet.  As long as we do not have pretensions of conducting combat team attacks we can still have a highly effective Army that can conduct certain missions very well.  Our LAVs and Coyotes did quite well in Afghanistan (in my opinion), and would arguably work well in a more high threat security and stabilization environment such as Iraq post-April 2003.  We could adopt a Cavalry organization and mission for our mounted troops which could work across the spectrum of conflict. 

Cheers,

2B
 
I found the "square" task force structure to be very interesting, this is a very "firepower" centric formation with the large number of tanks and IFV's. I am inclined to think the older mechanized brigade with two infantry battalions and one tank battalion is a more flexible unit, with sufficient Infantry to deal with complex terrain, security and other tasks which are not as firepower dependant. I also think the logistics footprint of the task force will be much larger than the mechanized brigade because of the peculiar needs of the M-1s (although even if they were to be equipped with Leopards they would still have a large logistics footprint).

WRT using cast off Bradley's in the CF, this is a thought experiment of what we could do to meet our perceived goals of having an effective, operationally deployable force without spending vast sums of money. Even if only enough M-2s were purchased to equip 1 Brigade, that would allow the LAV fleet to be shifted over to 2 and 5 Bde to bulk up their fleets, or even use them to outfit the mythical 5000 man brigade promised in the last election ("3 (Atlantic) CMBG" out of Gagetown?). Realistically, the M-2 chassis has greater cross country mobility, armour protection and growth potential than the LAV. It doesn't hurt to consider what alternatives are quickly available?
 
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