The Sandbox and Areas Reports Thread (August 2007)
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Articles found August 3, 2007
No special treatment for Vandoos, general says
New commander quickly puts to rest suggestions that francophone unit will be shielded from heavy fighting
ALEX DOBROTA From Thursday's Globe and Mail August 2, 2007 at 5:00 AM EDT
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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Quebec's famed Vandoos regiment will receive no special treatment to shield it from the risks taken by other Canadian troops in the volatile province of Kandahar, Canada's new commander in Afghanistan said yesterday.
Soldiers with the Royal 22nd Regiment will tackle the same daunting tasks as have troops from previous rotations, as the regiment gears up efforts to train the tattered Afghan security forces, Brigadier-General Guy Laroche said.
"The orders, we receive them from the Chief of Defence Staff, General [Rick] Hillier," Gen. Laroche told reporters yesterday, after he took command of Canada's 2,500-strong contingent during a short change-of-command ceremony at Kandahar base.
"It matters little what people say in Canada, on the political side or in the street. The work on our side goes on, much the same way it has in the past."
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US won't rule out force to free Korean hostages
By MATTHEW LEE Associated Press Published on: 08/02/07
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WASHINGTON — The United States is not ruling out the use of military force to free 21 South Korean hostages held by the Taliban in Afghanistan, a senior State Department official said Thursday.
"All pressures need to be applied to the Taliban to get them to release these hostages," said Richard Boucher, assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia. "We hope that pressure can be effective in a variety of ways, the goal is to get these people released unharmed, to get them released peacefully and safely."
"We will all make efforts together to try to encourage that," he told reporters at the State Department, referring to close cooperation between the governments of the United States, Afghanistan and South Korea to win the hostages' release.
He declined to elaborate on what pressure or efforts were now being used to convince the Taliban to let the South Koreans go but said they included the option of military force.
"There are things that we say, things that others say, things that are done and said within Afghan society as well as potential military pressures," Boucher said.
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Nelson backs troops after kids injured in Afghanistan
Posted Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:04pm AEST
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Defence Minister Brendan Nelson has defended the actions of Australian soldiers who injured two children in Afghanistan.
Two children under 10 were hurt when Australian troops opened fire on a car which failed to stop for a patrol in southern Afghanistan.
The Australian Defence Force (ADF) has also defended the actions of the soldiers, saying they acted appropriately, despite the injuries to the children.
Dr Nelson says the incident is unfortunate.
"The initial reports are that our soldiers have behaved perfectly appropriately, although we regret enormously [the] injury and indeed death to any civilian," he said.
Defence Force spokesman Brigadier Andrew Nikolic says the soldiers believed the vehicle posed a "real and present danger".
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More political thinking needed in Afghanistan
Current approaches counterproductive
BRIAN FLEMMING The Daily News
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One of the many problems Canadians (and Americans) have with the NATO mission in Afghanistan is that we almost never hear the voices of ordinary Afghans, or the specific demands of the insurgent Taliban fighters or the policy objectives of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.
The media, and many politicians, would have us believe the 21st century's violent extremists - sometimes sloppily described as "terrorists" - are unlike any other extremists in history.
Not true. Most have a political agenda that's as well-defined as that of the former Irish Republican Army.
When politicians claim bin Laden and his franchisees "hate freedom," or that Islamist extremists just "want to kill us," reach for your revolver. As top American security guru, Bruce Schneier, correctly claims, "bin Laden's policy objectives have been surprisingly consistent."
According to former CIA analyst, Michael Scheuer, in his book Imperial Hubris, these are some of bin Laden's goals:
- End the "occupation" by America and NATO of both Iraq and Afghanistan;
- End Western support for "illegitimate" (i.e. moderate) governments, such as those in Pakistan or Egypt;
- Expel Western forces from Middle East countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Iraq
- End America's support of Israel;
- Terminate Western support of countries with "anti-Muslim policies."
Similar goals
The Taliban have narrower, but similar, goals. But because the political ideology of most Islamists conflates religion with politics, it is sometimes difficult to separate one side of the theocratic coin from the other when bin Laden, or his Taliban clones, express their wish to create an "Islamic caliphate" in the Middle East - if not the whole world.
These broader insights were the dogs that didn't bark when Canada's departing top military commander in Afghanistan gave an in-depth interview to The Globe and Mail on the weekend.
Brig.- Gen. Tim Grant spoke proudly - as he should have - of Canada's achievements. The Taliban, for the moment, has lost its ability to take and hold territory; the building of the Afghan army continues apace.
Grant's biggest worry revolves around the corruption and incompetence of the Afghan police. And what Canada and NATO are trying to achieve "can't be done in two or three years," Grant said. Plus the notion of having a specific withdrawal date seemed "absurd" to the general.
Quite so.
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Articles found August 3, 2007
No special treatment for Vandoos, general says
New commander quickly puts to rest suggestions that francophone unit will be shielded from heavy fighting
ALEX DOBROTA From Thursday's Globe and Mail August 2, 2007 at 5:00 AM EDT
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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Quebec's famed Vandoos regiment will receive no special treatment to shield it from the risks taken by other Canadian troops in the volatile province of Kandahar, Canada's new commander in Afghanistan said yesterday.
Soldiers with the Royal 22nd Regiment will tackle the same daunting tasks as have troops from previous rotations, as the regiment gears up efforts to train the tattered Afghan security forces, Brigadier-General Guy Laroche said.
"The orders, we receive them from the Chief of Defence Staff, General [Rick] Hillier," Gen. Laroche told reporters yesterday, after he took command of Canada's 2,500-strong contingent during a short change-of-command ceremony at Kandahar base.
"It matters little what people say in Canada, on the political side or in the street. The work on our side goes on, much the same way it has in the past."
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US won't rule out force to free Korean hostages
By MATTHEW LEE Associated Press Published on: 08/02/07
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WASHINGTON — The United States is not ruling out the use of military force to free 21 South Korean hostages held by the Taliban in Afghanistan, a senior State Department official said Thursday.
"All pressures need to be applied to the Taliban to get them to release these hostages," said Richard Boucher, assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia. "We hope that pressure can be effective in a variety of ways, the goal is to get these people released unharmed, to get them released peacefully and safely."
"We will all make efforts together to try to encourage that," he told reporters at the State Department, referring to close cooperation between the governments of the United States, Afghanistan and South Korea to win the hostages' release.
He declined to elaborate on what pressure or efforts were now being used to convince the Taliban to let the South Koreans go but said they included the option of military force.
"There are things that we say, things that others say, things that are done and said within Afghan society as well as potential military pressures," Boucher said.
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Nelson backs troops after kids injured in Afghanistan
Posted Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:04pm AEST
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Defence Minister Brendan Nelson has defended the actions of Australian soldiers who injured two children in Afghanistan.
Two children under 10 were hurt when Australian troops opened fire on a car which failed to stop for a patrol in southern Afghanistan.
The Australian Defence Force (ADF) has also defended the actions of the soldiers, saying they acted appropriately, despite the injuries to the children.
Dr Nelson says the incident is unfortunate.
"The initial reports are that our soldiers have behaved perfectly appropriately, although we regret enormously [the] injury and indeed death to any civilian," he said.
Defence Force spokesman Brigadier Andrew Nikolic says the soldiers believed the vehicle posed a "real and present danger".
More on link
More political thinking needed in Afghanistan
Current approaches counterproductive
BRIAN FLEMMING The Daily News
Article Link
One of the many problems Canadians (and Americans) have with the NATO mission in Afghanistan is that we almost never hear the voices of ordinary Afghans, or the specific demands of the insurgent Taliban fighters or the policy objectives of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.
The media, and many politicians, would have us believe the 21st century's violent extremists - sometimes sloppily described as "terrorists" - are unlike any other extremists in history.
Not true. Most have a political agenda that's as well-defined as that of the former Irish Republican Army.
When politicians claim bin Laden and his franchisees "hate freedom," or that Islamist extremists just "want to kill us," reach for your revolver. As top American security guru, Bruce Schneier, correctly claims, "bin Laden's policy objectives have been surprisingly consistent."
According to former CIA analyst, Michael Scheuer, in his book Imperial Hubris, these are some of bin Laden's goals:
- End the "occupation" by America and NATO of both Iraq and Afghanistan;
- End Western support for "illegitimate" (i.e. moderate) governments, such as those in Pakistan or Egypt;
- Expel Western forces from Middle East countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Iraq
- End America's support of Israel;
- Terminate Western support of countries with "anti-Muslim policies."
Similar goals
The Taliban have narrower, but similar, goals. But because the political ideology of most Islamists conflates religion with politics, it is sometimes difficult to separate one side of the theocratic coin from the other when bin Laden, or his Taliban clones, express their wish to create an "Islamic caliphate" in the Middle East - if not the whole world.
These broader insights were the dogs that didn't bark when Canada's departing top military commander in Afghanistan gave an in-depth interview to The Globe and Mail on the weekend.
Brig.- Gen. Tim Grant spoke proudly - as he should have - of Canada's achievements. The Taliban, for the moment, has lost its ability to take and hold territory; the building of the Afghan army continues apace.
Grant's biggest worry revolves around the corruption and incompetence of the Afghan police. And what Canada and NATO are trying to achieve "can't be done in two or three years," Grant said. Plus the notion of having a specific withdrawal date seemed "absurd" to the general.
Quite so.
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