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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

SupersonicMax

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Bids for aircraft are decided by the manufacturers. We just set requirements and companies put their bids forth. We had no say on whether Boeing proposed the A or the C.
 

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They are more expensive. At this point that will a bigger driver. Other than the biggest driver..we can't let the PM look bad....or eat crow.
We don’t make the PM look bad though. He does that alllll on his own.

If anything we make the PM look good via our commitments.

Canadian jets over Romania? A training mission in Iraq? Another in Ukraine? Commanding a NATO battlegroup in Latvia? Ships sailing the flag all over the world? The military being quite visible in domestic operations?

I’d reckon the reason he doesn’t look even more stupid is because of us, to some degree 🤷🏼‍♂


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We don’t make the PM look bad though. He does that alllll on his own.

If anything we make the PM look good via our commitments.

Canadian jets over Romania? A training mission in Iraq? Another in Ukraine? Commanding a NATO battlegroup in Latvia? Ships sailing the flag all over the world? The military being quite visible in domestic operations?

I’d reckon the reason he doesn’t look even more stupid is because of us, to some degree 🤷🏼‍♂


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I totally get it. But 99% of Canadians don't even know we do those missions. Plus the international people that do know want us to do more with better.

And yes the CAF generally goes above and beyond in the missions given them. Thus making the PM look good.

....Hmmm crazy thought....next high profile mission....sandbag it...say its the lack of material support.

I know its not even in the thoughts of the org. (plus the ultimate reason not to...unlimited likably) But in the civil service......
 

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I totally get it. But 99% of Canadians don't even know we do those missions. Plus the international people that do know want us to do more with better.

And yes the CAF generally goes above and beyond in the missions given them. Thus making the PM look good.

....Hmmm crazy thought....next high profile mission....sandbag it...say its the lack of material support.

I know its not even in the thoughts of the org. (plus the ultimate reason not to...unlimited likably) But in the civil service......
It has been done in the past - the deployment of a CMBG to Desert Shield/Storm/Strike was canceled early on due to the then CDS JDC told BM the then PM that there where NOT enough Medic's MO's etc, and not enough of a slew more and there would likely be high Canadian casualties compared to the rest of the coalition due to equipment and personnel shortages - so the CF sent the RCAF CF-18's, RCR to guard the planes - and then Iraqi's, and the RCN
 

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It has been done in the past - the deployment of a CMBG to Desert Shield/Storm/Strike was canceled early on due to the then CDS JDC told BM the then PM that there where NOT enough Medic's MO's etc, and not enough of a slew more and there would likely be high Canadian casualties compared to the rest of the coalition due to equipment and personnel shortages - so the CF sent the RCAF CF-18's, RCR to guard the planes - and then Iraqi's, and the RCN
Hind sight being what we know, probably would if been okay, but that was also 1991, we are much worse off by comparison today.
 

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It has been done in the past - the deployment of a CMBG to Desert Shield/Storm/Strike was canceled early on due to the then CDS JDC told BM the then PM that there where NOT enough Medic's MO's etc, and not enough of a slew more and there would likely be high Canadian casualties compared to the rest of the coalition due to equipment and personnel shortages - so the CF sent the RCAF CF-18's, RCR to guard the planes - and then Iraqi's, and the RCN
The casualty figures that they generated for that scenario were massive and far exceeded anything that the entire coalition eventually suffered. There were options. In those days we could have generated an armoured artillery brigade to augment one of the divisions.

Sometimes, I think that Canada's role model is George B McClellan - "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time." Abe Lincoln.

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