Re: Van Doo dress

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Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:46:59 -0400
Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite. Why do you think the RCR wear the
lanyard?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out what the sashes are about.
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Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite. Why
do you
think the RCR wear the lanyard?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital

To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo dress

Does anyone know
why the Van
Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I know why RCR has the
lanyards
but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the sashes are
about.

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Posted by "Jay Digital" <todesengel@home.com> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:21 -0400
The version I heard from a fellow recruit so it may not be 100
correct is that the Lanyard dates back to the Boer war in South Africa.
To back a long story short the RCR were being devastated by Dutch
artillery but were finally able to out manoeuvre them and decimate the
Dutch gunners. After the battle the RCR soldiers took the strings used
to fire the cannons you know the ones you pull and tied them around
their shoulders and it‘s been a part of their uniform since unlike the
van doos, the RCR wear them with combats. MCpl and above wear a yellow
rope around their left shoulder I think.
It‘s a very inspirational story and as future RCR it made me even more
determined and proud to be a part of such a fantastic body.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Oleary
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite. Why do you think the RCR wear the
lanyard?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out what the sashes are about.
The version I heard
from a fellow
recruit so it may not be 100 correct is that the Lanyard dates back
to the
Boer war in South Africa. To back a long story short the RCR were being
devastated by Dutch artillery but were finally able to out manoeuvre
them and
decimate the Dutch gunners. After the battle the RCR soldiers took the
strings
used to fire the cannons you know the ones you pull and tied them
around their
shoulders and it‘s been a part of their uniform since unlike the van
doos, the
RCR wear them with combats. MCpl and above wear a yellow rope around
their left
shoulder I think.
It‘s a very
inspirational story and
as future RCR it made me even more determined and proud to be a part of
such a
fantastic body.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Mike
Oleary
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 4:46
PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo
dress

Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite.
Why do you
think the RCR wear the lanyard?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo dress

Does anyone know
why the Van
Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I know why RCR has the
lanyards
but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the sashes are
about.

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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:28:31 -0300
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As far as I know, all infantry Sr. NCO‘s wear red sashes.. No doubt I
will be corrected if I‘m wrong :
Beth MacFarlane
Mike Oleary wrote:
> Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite. Why do you think the RCR wear the
> lanyard? Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay Digital
> To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
> Subject: Van Doo dress
> Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on
> their dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t
> been able to figure out what the sashes are about.
>
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As far as I know, all infantry Sr. NCO‘s wear red sashes.. No doubt
I will be corrected if I‘m wrong :
Beth MacFarlane
Mike Oleary wrote:
Sorry
Jay, but I just have to bite. Why do you think the RCR wear the lanyard?Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone
know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I know why
RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the sashes
are about.
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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:40:13 -0300
At one time, everyone wore a lanyard. Each unit had a different colour,
i.e. artillery was white, CWAC was brown and gold, etc. I believe the
artillery was the only one who wore theirs on the right side - I can‘t
remember the reason. Maybe someone else can.
Beth MacFarlane
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Posted by "William J <andy> Anderson" <aanderson@sk.sympatico.ca> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:19:17 -0700
on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I
> know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the
> sashes are about.
The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers. On early
battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and carried a
blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colour red.
As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
arte et marte
anderson sends:
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Posted by "Jay Digital" <todesengel@home.com> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:30:31 -0400
Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Anderson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress?
I
> > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out what
the
> > sashes are about.
>
> The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers. On
early
> battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and carried a
> blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
> soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colour red.
> As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
>
> I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
>
> arte et marte
>
> anderson sends:
>
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:41:04 -0700
Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs cap
badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War... I
always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding IGs,
and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms have
anything remotely similar?"
Ubique
Mac
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Digital"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Anderson"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
>
> > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress?
> I
> > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out
what
> the
> > > sashes are about.
> >
> > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers. On
> early
> > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and carried
a
> > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
> > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colour
red.
> > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> >
> > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> >
> > arte et marte
> >
> > anderson sends:
> >
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Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:29:23 -0700
The fouled anchor badge of the Navy, indicates a mutiny has taken place in
the last 50 years. Korea?
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:24:23 -0400
Dates back to the Peninsular wars with Napoleon.
Officers wore a "sash" in a cummerbund style. Regiments advanced "in
line" to maximize firepower, the French attacked "in column"-masses of
men, but limited firepower..anyways, the colours were carried by
officers and the men fought according to where the colours were located,
and going forward or backward, of course.
So during one battle or another, a colour carrying officer was shot and
was in the act of dropping his colour, and one of the protecting
sergeants, picked up the colour, and, protesting he could not carry it
he‘s be recognized as an NCO, the dying officer encouraged him to take
his sash, which the Sergeant looped over his shoulder and trailed on his
hip.
That is allegedly, Ian‘s going to comment on this, I know, so is Don
where it started.
Note, too, that the sashes change colours with rank. Sergeants are a
very bright light red. MWO‘s sashes are maroon.
They are expensive, hard to get, and not an issue item, that we, as
NCO‘s took a great deal of pride in wearing.
Cede Nullis!
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out what the sashes are about.
Dates back to the Peninsular wars with
Napoleon.
Officers wore a "sash" in a cummerbund style.
Regiments
advanced "in line" to maximize firepower, the French attacked "in
column"-masses of men, but limited firepower..anyways, the
colours were
carried by officers and the men fought according to where the colours
were
located, and going forward or backward, of course.
So during one battle or another, a colour carrying
officer was
shot and was in the act of dropping his colour, and one of the
protecting
sergeants, picked up the colour, and, protesting he could not carry it
he‘s be
recognized as an NCO, the dying officer encouraged him to take his sash,
which
the Sergeant looped over his shoulder and trailed on his
hip.
That is allegedly, Ian‘s going to comment on this,
I know, so
is Don where it started.
Note, too, that the sashes change colours with
rank.
Sergeants are a very bright light red. MWO‘s sashes are
maroon.
They are expensive, hard to get, and not an issue
item, that
we, as NCO‘s took a great deal of pride in wearing.
Cede Nullis!
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital

To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo dress

Does anyone know
why the Van
Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I know why RCR has the
lanyards
but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the sashes are
about.

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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:41:55 -0700
Another thing regarding lanyards. In the Artillery, we always assumed
Gunners‘ lanyards originated from Gunners carrying spare lanyards for
the Guns - go figure
Ubique
MacFarlane
----- Original Message -----
From: Gow
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
Dates back to the Peninsular wars with Napoleon.

Officers wore a "sash" in a cummerbund style. Regiments advanced "in
line" to maximize firepower, the French attacked "in column"-masses of
men, but limited firepower..anyways, the colours were carried by
officers and the men fought according to where the colours were located,
and going forward or backward, of course.

So during one battle or another, a colour carrying officer was shot
and was in the act of dropping his colour, and one of the protecting
sergeants, picked up the colour, and, protesting he could not carry it
he‘s be recognized as an NCO, the dying officer encouraged him to take
his sash, which the Sergeant looped over his shoulder and trailed on his
hip.

That is allegedly, Ian‘s going to comment on this, I know, so is Don
where it started.

Note, too, that the sashes change colours with rank. Sergeants are a
very bright light red. MWO‘s sashes are maroon.

They are expensive, hard to get, and not an issue item, that we, as
NCO‘s took a great deal of pride in wearing.

Cede Nullis!

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out what the sashes are about.
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Another thing
regarding lanyards. In
the Artillery, we always assumed Gunners‘ lanyards originated from
Gunners
carrying spare lanyards for the Guns - go figure
Ubique
MacFarlane
----- Original Message -----
From:
Gow
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 7:24
PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo
dress

Dates back to the Peninsular wars with
Napoleon.

Officers wore a "sash" in a cummerbund
style.
Regiments advanced "in line" to maximize firepower, the French
attacked "in
column"-masses of men, but limited firepower..anyways, the
colours were
carried by officers and the men fought according to where the colours
were
located, and going forward or backward, of course.

So during one battle or another, a colour carrying
officer
was shot and was in the act of dropping his colour, and one of the
protecting
sergeants, picked up the colour, and, protesting he could not carry
it he‘s
be recognized as an NCO, the dying officer encouraged him to take his
sash,
which the Sergeant looped over his shoulder and trailed on his
hip.

That is allegedly, Ian‘s going to comment on
this, I know,
so is Don where it started.

Note, too, that the sashes change colours with
rank.
Sergeants are a very bright light red. MWO‘s sashes are
maroon.

They are expensive, hard to get, and not an issue
item, that
we, as NCO‘s took a great deal of pride in wearing.

Cede Nullis!

John


----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo dress

Does anyone know
why the Van
Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their dress? I know why RCR has the
lanyards
but I haven‘t been able to figure out what the sashes are
about.

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Posted by Ted Underhill and Heidi Schmidt <edward@islandnet.com> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:53:49 -0700
It is as simple as this - the metal Royal Artillery cap badge is dark brown
- Cdn IG‘s wear RA forage caps and badges. Anything else as an explanation
is in fact false.
Ted Underhill
At 08:41 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs cap
>badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War... I
>always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding IGs,
>and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms have
>anything remotely similar?"
>
>Ubique
>Mac
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jay Digital"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
>Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
>
> > Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William J Anderson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> >
> >
> > > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
>dress?
> > I
> > > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out
>what
> > the
> > > > sashes are about.
> > >
> > > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers. On
> > early
> > > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and carried
>a
> > > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
> > > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colour
>red.
> > > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> > >
> > > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> > >
> > > arte et marte
> > >
> > > anderson sends:
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Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:23:22 -0400
I think that "No, thank God" is the applicable response to this. I remember
watching FOOs on the RV 85 Div Arty Gun Camp shudder as Mongo Massulum sp?
arrived at the OP.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The MacFarlanes‘
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs cap
> badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War... I
> always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
IGs,
> and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms have
> anything remotely similar?"
>
> Ubique
> Mac
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Posted by Derrick Forsythe <Derrick.Forsythe@gov.ab.ca> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:19:18 -0600
He‘s now our CO -
> -----Original Message-----
> From:m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:Friday, October 13, 2000 2:23 PM
> To:army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> Subject:Re: Van Doo dress
>
> I think that "No, thank God" is the applicable response to this. I
> remember
> watching FOOs on the RV 85 Div Arty Gun Camp shudder as Mongo Massulum
> sp?
> arrived at the OP.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The MacFarlanes‘
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
>
> > Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs
> cap
> > badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War...
> I
> > always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
> IGs,
> > and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms
> have
> > anything remotely similar?"
> >
> > Ubique
> > Mac
>
>
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Posted by Derrick Forsythe <Derrick.Forsythe@gov.ab.ca> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:19:41 -0600
so - do tell -
> -----Original Message-----
> From:m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:Friday, October 13, 2000 2:23 PM
> To:army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> Subject:Re: Van Doo dress
>
> I think that "No, thank God" is the applicable response to this. I
> remember
> watching FOOs on the RV 85 Div Arty Gun Camp shudder as Mongo Massulum
> sp?
> arrived at the OP.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The MacFarlanes‘
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
>
> > Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs
> cap
> > badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War...
> I
> > always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
> IGs,
> > and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms
> have
> > anything remotely similar?"
> >
> > Ubique
> > Mac
>
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Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:46:59 -0400
Perhaps it is sufficient to say that I was on that exercise as 2RCR‘s Mortar
Platoon Commander, which means I spent time hanging around 5 RALC‘s OPs.
Some of the young Observers found Mongo‘s gentle and warm approach to
identifying their errors somewhat disconcerting. Of course, my Fire
Controllers each with over ten years OP experience, most in Germany and
myself wet behind the ears, perhaps, but not under the IG‘s gun were
amused by this curious group dynamic caused by the arrival of the Corps‘
Avenging Angels and Destroyers of Bad Habits Which Lead to Wingers - The
"""IGs""".
Give LCol Mussallum my regards, he and few others were a breath of fresh air
during a long month with 5 RALC.
Mike
http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/
2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
----- Original Message -----
From: Derrick Forsythe
To:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Van Doo dress
> He‘s now our CO -
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:23 PM
> > To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> >
> > I think that "No, thank God" is the applicable response to this. I
> > remember
> > watching FOOs on the RV 85 Div Arty Gun Camp shudder as Mongo Massulum
> > sp?
> > arrived at the OP.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: The MacFarlanes‘
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> >
> >
> > > Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs
> > cap
> > > badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer
War...
> > I
> > > always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
> > IGs,
> > > and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms
> > have
> > > anything remotely similar?"
> > >
> > > Ubique
> > > Mac
> >
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:21:43 -0700
Thanks Ted - I always figured there was a much less glamorous explanation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Underhill and Heidi Schmidt"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> It is as simple as this - the metal Royal Artillery cap badge is dark
brown
> - Cdn IG‘s wear RA forage caps and badges. Anything else as an
explanation
> is in fact false.
>
> Ted Underhill
>
>
>
> At 08:41 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs
cap
> >badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War... I
> >always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
IGs,
> >and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms have
> >anything remotely similar?"
> >
> >Ubique
> >Mac
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jay Digital"
> >To:
> >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
> >Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> >
> >
> > > Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William J Anderson"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > >
> > >
> > > > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
> >dress?
> > > I
> > > > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out
> >what
> > > the
> > > > > sashes are about.
> > > >
> > > > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers.
On
> > > early
> > > > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and
carried
> >a
> > > > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
> > > > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colou
r
> >red.
> > > > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> > > >
> > > > arte et marte
> > > >
> > > > anderson sends:
> > > >
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Posted by "F. A." <zzzzzzz@telusplanet.net> on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:42:21 -0600
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One other question with the whole red sash, which I realize has been dealt with
so well, is what about the maroon sash? I have in my basement museum, my
grandfather‘s maroon sash which he wore as a WO1 with the R22eR after being
promoted to that rank in 1941. I have seen him in pictures in 1955-62 in full
dress Blues or T-Dubs with this sash. I‘m pretty sure this was worn by
officers and WO1s only, was it not?
Francois
The MacFarlanes‘ wrote:
> Thanks Ted - I always figured there was a much less glamorous explanation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Underhill and Heidi Schmidt"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
> > It is as simple as this - the metal Royal Artillery cap badge is dark
> brown
> > - Cdn IG‘s wear RA forage caps and badges. Anything else as an
> explanation
> > is in fact false.
> >
> > Ted Underhill
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:41 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me IGs
> cap
> > >badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer War... I
> > >always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer regarding
> IGs,
> > >and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms have
> > >anything remotely similar?"
> > >
> > >Ubique
> > >Mac
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jay Digital"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William J Anderson"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
> > >dress?
> > > > I
> > > > > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
> out
> > >what
> > > > the
> > > > > > sashes are about.
> > > > >
> > > > > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant officers.
> On
> > > > early
> > > > > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and
> carried
> > >a
> > > > > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around wounded
> > > > > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the colou
> r
> > >red.
> > > > > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > arte et marte
> > > > >
> > > > > anderson sends:
> > > > >
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:20:19 -0400
A qualification, Beth they have to be either Light or Highland
Infantry-the Rifle units do not wear them. Further, the individual must
be qualified infantry ie an attachment whois not infantry by trade
would not wear a sash.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth MacFarlane
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
As far as I know, all infantry Sr. NCO‘s wear red sashes.. No doubt I
will be corrected if I‘m wrong :
Beth MacFarlane
Mike Oleary wrote:
Sorry Jay, but I just have to bite. Why do you think the RCR wear
the lanyard? Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Van Doo dress
Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure
out what the sashes are about.
A qualification, Beth they have to be either Light
or
Highland Infantry-the Rifle units do not wear them. Further, the
individual must be qualified infantry ie an attachment whois not
infantry by
trade would not wear a sash.
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
Beth
MacFarlane
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 6:28
PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo
dress
As far as I know, all infantry Sr. NCO‘s wear red
sashes.. No doubt I will be corrected if I‘m wrong :
Beth MacFarlane
Mike Oleary wrote:


Sorry Jay, but I just have to
bite. Why do
you think the RCR wear the lanyard?Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12,
2000 3:01
PM
Subject: Van Doo
dressDoes
anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on their
dress? I know
why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to figure out
what the
sashes are
about.
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:56:30 -0400
The RSM,wearing a sword, in full ceremonial dress, wears an officer‘s sash
at the waist.
MWO‘s have a maroon sash,WO‘s have a crimson sash, and sergeant have bright
red. The sashes are wornover the right shoulder, to the left hip.
As the Sash came from our British parent regiments, consulting the late BGen
Jak Summers MC‘c work "Military Uniforms in Canada 1665-1978, I quote:
"Sash: a length of coloured material won diagonally across the chest and
over one shoulder or around the waist as a means of corps identification
during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. As uniforms became simpler
and less varied during the seventeenth century, the other ranks tended not
to wear the sash, and in most armies it became an accessory only for
officers. French officers wore white sashes until the beginning of the
eighteenth century. British officers still wear their crimson sashes in
full dress. Bitish army sergeants wore a crimson sash with a center stripe
of regimental facing colour until 1845 since this date they have worn the
plain crimson sash. Canada has no national sash her soldiers wear the
British patterns."
Damned if I‘ll argue wth Jack Summers the man was an expert of renown for
thins he researched.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "F. A."
To:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> One other question with the whole red sash, which I realize has been dealt
with
> so well, is what about the maroon sash? I have in my basement museum, my
> grandfather‘s maroon sash which he wore as a WO1 with the R22eR after
being
> promoted to that rank in 1941. I have seen him in pictures in 1955-62 in
full
> dress Blues or T-Dubs with this sash. I‘m pretty sure this was worn by
> officers and WO1s only, was it not?
>
> Francois
>
>
>
> The MacFarlanes‘ wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ted - I always figured there was a much less glamorous
explanation.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted Underhill and Heidi Schmidt"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> >
> > > It is as simple as this - the metal Royal Artillery cap badge is dark
> > brown
> > > - Cdn IG‘s wear RA forage caps and badges. Anything else as an
> > explanation
> > > is in fact false.
> > >
> > > Ted Underhill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:41 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me
IGs
> > cap
> > > >badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer
War... I
> > > >always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer
regarding
> > IGs,
> > > >and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms
have
> > > >anything remotely similar?"
> > > >
> > > >Ubique
> > > >Mac
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jay Digital"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William J Anderson"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on
their
> > > >dress?
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to
figure
> > out
> > > >what
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sashes are about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant
officers.
> > On
> > > > > early
> > > > > > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and
> > carried
> > > >a
> > > > > > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around
wounded
> > > > > > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the
colou
> > r
> > > >red.
> > > > > > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > arte et marte
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anderson sends:
> > > > > >
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Posted by "F. A." <zzzzzzz@telusplanet.net> on Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:05:06 -0600
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Thanks John,
Francois
Gow wrote:
> The RSM,wearing a sword, in full ceremonial dress, wears an officer‘s sash
> at the waist.
>
> MWO‘s have a maroon sash,WO‘s have a crimson sash, and sergeant have bright
> red. The sashes are wornover the right shoulder, to the left hip.
>
> As the Sash came from our British parent regiments, consulting the late BGen
> Jak Summers MC‘c work "Military Uniforms in Canada 1665-1978, I quote:
>
> "Sash: a length of coloured material won diagonally across the chest and
> over one shoulder or around the waist as a means of corps identification
> during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. As uniforms became simpler
> and less varied during the seventeenth century, the other ranks tended not
> to wear the sash, and in most armies it became an accessory only for
> officers. French officers wore white sashes until the beginning of the
> eighteenth century. British officers still wear their crimson sashes in
> full dress. Bitish army sergeants wore a crimson sash with a center stripe
> of regimental facing colour until 1845 since this date they have worn the
> plain crimson sash. Canada has no national sash her soldiers wear the
> British patterns."
>
> Damned if I‘ll argue wth Jack Summers the man was an expert of renown for
> thins he researched.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "F. A."
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
>
> > One other question with the whole red sash, which I realize has been dealt
> with
> > so well, is what about the maroon sash? I have in my basement museum, my
> > grandfather‘s maroon sash which he wore as a WO1 with the R22eR after
> being
> > promoted to that rank in 1941. I have seen him in pictures in 1955-62 in
> full
> > dress Blues or T-Dubs with this sash. I‘m pretty sure this was worn by
> > officers and WO1s only, was it not?
> >
> > Francois
> >
> >
> >
> > The MacFarlanes‘ wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Ted - I always figured there was a much less glamorous
> explanation.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted Underhill and Heidi Schmidt"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > >
> > > > It is as simple as this - the metal Royal Artillery cap badge is dark
> > > brown
> > > > - Cdn IG‘s wear RA forage caps and badges. Anything else as an
> > > explanation
> > > > is in fact false.
> > > >
> > > > Ted Underhill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:41 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >Along those same lines, as a young Gunner, people tried to tell me
> IGs
> > > cap
> > > > >badges were brown, because of some shameful act, during the Boer
> War... I
> > > > >always figured that was BS...Anyone having any info to offer
> regarding
> > > IGs,
> > > > >and AIGs, I would find most interesting... including, "Do other arms
> have
> > > > >anything remotely similar?"
> > > > >
> > > > >Ubique
> > > > >Mac
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Jay Digital"
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:30 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks a lot. I think that about covers it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "William J Anderson"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:19 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Van Doo dress
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > on 12/10/00 12:01, Jay Digital at todesengel@home.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone know why the Van Doo‘s wear those red sashes on
> their
> > > > >dress?
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > know why RCR has the lanyards but I haven‘t been able to
> figure
> > > out
> > > > >what
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sashes are about.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The red sash is worn by infantry Senior NCOs and Warrant
> officers.
> > > On
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > battlefields the sergeant was also the resident first aider and
> > > carried
> > > > >a
> > > > > > > blanket over his shoulder to act a litter or to wrap around
> wounded
> > > > > > > soldiers. The blanket, of course, got very bloody ... thus the
> colou
> > > r
> > > > >red.
> > > > > > > As with lots of traditions this one lived on for some time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I heard that in Sept 66 and never heard any other reason.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > arte et marte
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anderson sends:
> > > > > > >
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