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Stoker said:Vern, from what I have seen that there is less discipline now in certain places in the CF that there was in say in the sixties and early seventies. A lot of kids these days are mouthpieces and basic doesn't always break them of that (remember the stress cards). This was a hot topic on my ALQ and from our discussions that it occurs in all three elements. I think discipline can be maintained, however sometimes its fine line between what you can do to somebody and what you can't. Some leaders unfortunately cannot see the difference.
It's the places that train them that's to blame.People are too lazy to CB a course to instill discipline because "someone will have to come in".Don't charge them its too much paper work.I stood in front of a young guy who fired a burst of C-9 ammo (blank) into his peers,I began counselling the youth and was told to "let it go".By a WO.The Course WO.
I have seen the products of today's training system.There are a lot of pure punks.Mouth pieces.
And there isn't much you can do to instill discipline when your higher shuts you down.
Ever try to recourse someone?I have.And he's one of my friends drivers here at the regiment now.
What did I get when I recommended it?"Well what are you doing wrong that this student cannot grasp the info"
(this is after 2 verbal,written, handing him off to another section to get assessed and sent back to me.)
Two jobs I wouldn't want on or around a base,pizza delivery,or cab driver.Cab driver putting up with drunk kids,no thanks.
Lazy higher destroys morale of the instructors,when your students are not performing and then they get off Scott free for the weekend....doesn't instill much discipline does it?Then you tend to not give a heck as no matter what you do all these students WILL pass unless they are released medically.They also talk to all their friends they meet on pat platoon and they tell them "its easy man you don't have to do anything,just stay there."
I no longer work in the training system and hope to god I never do again.
I'm also looked at as the idiot instructor because I tried to do my job instead of being buddies with the students as some others did.
Oh and I almost forgot.Please give me a first person example/written confirmation document on the stress cards.I call B/S.