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Did CDN news channels show tapes of Fedaeen (sp?) Sadam killing and torturing Iraqis? I saw it tonight on TV...lopping off of heads etc...pretty graphic stuff.
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mattoigta
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they showed heads being lopped off on the news?
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They probably deserved it. Wouldn‘t hand over their daughters to his sick fuk son or perhaps ran out of Falafels for lunch. Off with your heads. Good time to show the deposed rulers cruelty huh? As in, remember why we went there people he was a bad dude. I can think of many countries where that happens daily and nobody gives a flying ****. No oil there maybe?
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mattoigta
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The media are a bunch of vultures with no sense of decency. Like that woman whos daughter went missing, and the media camps out on their lawn to get the best snap shot of her anguished face.
Just like when they released the autopsy footage of Uday and Qusay to prove to the Iraqi people they were dead and everything is ok. Why did they need to show the rest of the world? No good reason except good ol media revenue.
Now this, and for what? So some fat rednecks in alabammy could have something to laugh at when eating grits and so the media can once again have the best news coverage.
Just like when they released the autopsy footage of Uday and Qusay to prove to the Iraqi people they were dead and everything is ok. Why did they need to show the rest of the world? No good reason except good ol media revenue.
Now this, and for what? So some fat rednecks in alabammy could have something to laugh at when eating grits and so the media can once again have the best news coverage.
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Media are just as bad in my opinion. I actually kinda smile, as evil as it is, when they get shot while covering war footage. They wanna be entrenched, let them see what its like.
Either way i‘m glad the americans went in and blew away his retarded sons and forced him out. I just wish so many american soldiers didn‘t have to die.
I‘d sign up in a second to go over there and help out. Anywhere else in the world for that matter. The more we kill of them the better the world is right?
Either way i‘m glad the americans went in and blew away his retarded sons and forced him out. I just wish so many american soldiers didn‘t have to die.
I‘d sign up in a second to go over there and help out. Anywhere else in the world for that matter. The more we kill of them the better the world is right?
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mattoigta
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exactly.
it just said on the news that the death toll of americans who have died after "major combat operations" is higher than the actual combat deaths now
it just said on the news that the death toll of americans who have died after "major combat operations" is higher than the actual combat deaths now
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Jason Jarvis
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It‘s entirely possible that this footage was released by request.
I‘ll let someone else suggest by whom. . . .
I‘ll let someone else suggest by whom. . . .
Gunnar
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And as long as we‘re discussing torture in Iraq, get a load of this:
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The (US)Army has filed a criminal assault charge against an American officer who coerced an Iraqi into providing information that foiled a planned attack on U.S. soldiers.
Lt. Col. Allen B. West says he did not physically abuse the detainee, but used psychological pressure by twice firing his service weapon away from the Iraqi. After the shots were fired, the detainee, an Iraqi police officer, gave up the information on a planned attack around the northern Iraqi town of Saba al Boor.
But the Army is taking a dim view of the interrogation tactic. An Army official at the Pentagon confirmed to The Washington Times yesterday that Col. West has been charged with one count of aggravated assault. A military source said an Article 32 hearing has been scheduled in Iraq that could lead to the Army court-martialing Col. West and sending him to prison for a maximum term of eight years.
Some soldiers are privately questioning the Army‘s drive to punish the officer for an interrogation technique that likely is used regularly to get information from terrorists.
Col. West‘s unit in Iraq operates amid extreme danger. Fighters loyal to ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein are poised at any moment to kill the soldiers in ambushes using explosive devices, guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
Col. West, 42, says he pressured the Iraqi after taking into account the dangerous environment and the risk to his soldiers‘ lives.
In response to an e-mail from The Times, Col. West, a 19-year veteran, gave his version of events.
Col. West is a member of the 4th Infantry, the Fort Hood, Texas, division occupying areas around Tikrit, Saddam‘s hometown and an area infested with loyalists of the former regime.
An informant reported that there was an assassination plot against Col. West, an artillery officer working with the local governing council in Saba al Boor. On Aug. 16, guerrillas attacked members of the colonel‘s unit who were on their way to Saba al Boor.
An informant told the soldiers that one person involved in the attack was a town policeman. Col. West sent two sergeants to detain the policeman, who was placed in a detention center near the Taji air base. The interrogators had no luck at first, so Col. West decided to take over the questioning.
"I asked for soldiers to accompany me and told them we had to gather information and that it could get ugly," Col. West said in his e-mail.
He said his soldiers "physically aggress[ed]" the prisoner. A subsequent investigation resulted in nonjudicial punishment for them in the form of fines.
After the physical "aggress" failed, Col. West says he brandished his pistol.
"I did use my 9 mm weapon to threaten him and fired it twice. Once I fired into the weapons clearing barrel outside the facility alone, and the next time I did it while having his head close to the barrel. I fired away from him. I stood in between the firing and his person.
"I admit that what I did was not right but it was done with the concern of the safety of my soldiers and myself."
Col. West said he informed his superior of his actions. The incident lay dormant until the Army conducted an overall command-climate investigation of the brigade. The investigation turned up the interrogation technique, and Col. West was charged with one count of aggravated assault.
Col. West said the gunshots spurred the Iraqi to provide the location of the planned sniper attack and the names of three guerrilla fighters.
Col. West says the 4th Infantry‘s staff judge advocate, the unit‘s prosecutor, is offering him two choices: resign short of gaining retirement benefits or face court-martial.
Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice describes assault in these terms: "Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."
The Army relieved Col. West of his battalion command and has placed him in the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which is attached to the 4th Infantry in Kirkuk.
Said his wife, Angela, who lives in Fort Hood: "My husband is a top-of-the-line officer. My husband is an African-American. He has had to overcome a number of things to get where he is."
"I accept being retired at the grade of major and paying whatever fine required, but resignation and prison seems an attempt to destroy me," Col. West says. "All I wish is to go away, re-establish my family and retain some of my dignity."
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Must make him proud to serve his country.
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The (US)Army has filed a criminal assault charge against an American officer who coerced an Iraqi into providing information that foiled a planned attack on U.S. soldiers.
Lt. Col. Allen B. West says he did not physically abuse the detainee, but used psychological pressure by twice firing his service weapon away from the Iraqi. After the shots were fired, the detainee, an Iraqi police officer, gave up the information on a planned attack around the northern Iraqi town of Saba al Boor.
But the Army is taking a dim view of the interrogation tactic. An Army official at the Pentagon confirmed to The Washington Times yesterday that Col. West has been charged with one count of aggravated assault. A military source said an Article 32 hearing has been scheduled in Iraq that could lead to the Army court-martialing Col. West and sending him to prison for a maximum term of eight years.
Some soldiers are privately questioning the Army‘s drive to punish the officer for an interrogation technique that likely is used regularly to get information from terrorists.
Col. West‘s unit in Iraq operates amid extreme danger. Fighters loyal to ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein are poised at any moment to kill the soldiers in ambushes using explosive devices, guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
Col. West, 42, says he pressured the Iraqi after taking into account the dangerous environment and the risk to his soldiers‘ lives.
In response to an e-mail from The Times, Col. West, a 19-year veteran, gave his version of events.
Col. West is a member of the 4th Infantry, the Fort Hood, Texas, division occupying areas around Tikrit, Saddam‘s hometown and an area infested with loyalists of the former regime.
An informant reported that there was an assassination plot against Col. West, an artillery officer working with the local governing council in Saba al Boor. On Aug. 16, guerrillas attacked members of the colonel‘s unit who were on their way to Saba al Boor.
An informant told the soldiers that one person involved in the attack was a town policeman. Col. West sent two sergeants to detain the policeman, who was placed in a detention center near the Taji air base. The interrogators had no luck at first, so Col. West decided to take over the questioning.
"I asked for soldiers to accompany me and told them we had to gather information and that it could get ugly," Col. West said in his e-mail.
He said his soldiers "physically aggress[ed]" the prisoner. A subsequent investigation resulted in nonjudicial punishment for them in the form of fines.
After the physical "aggress" failed, Col. West says he brandished his pistol.
"I did use my 9 mm weapon to threaten him and fired it twice. Once I fired into the weapons clearing barrel outside the facility alone, and the next time I did it while having his head close to the barrel. I fired away from him. I stood in between the firing and his person.
"I admit that what I did was not right but it was done with the concern of the safety of my soldiers and myself."
Col. West said he informed his superior of his actions. The incident lay dormant until the Army conducted an overall command-climate investigation of the brigade. The investigation turned up the interrogation technique, and Col. West was charged with one count of aggravated assault.
Col. West said the gunshots spurred the Iraqi to provide the location of the planned sniper attack and the names of three guerrilla fighters.
Col. West says the 4th Infantry‘s staff judge advocate, the unit‘s prosecutor, is offering him two choices: resign short of gaining retirement benefits or face court-martial.
Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice describes assault in these terms: "Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."
The Army relieved Col. West of his battalion command and has placed him in the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which is attached to the 4th Infantry in Kirkuk.
Said his wife, Angela, who lives in Fort Hood: "My husband is a top-of-the-line officer. My husband is an African-American. He has had to overcome a number of things to get where he is."
"I accept being retired at the grade of major and paying whatever fine required, but resignation and prison seems an attempt to destroy me," Col. West says. "All I wish is to go away, re-establish my family and retain some of my dignity."
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Must make him proud to serve his country.
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nbk
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Did anybody see that thing on the Russian theater Chechnyan hostage situation a few nights ago? It was on CBC and at the end they showed a bunch of dead and bloody corpses with their heads blown apart and guts everywhere.
I did not really even notice until I looked at my friend who was next to me and her hands were over her eyes. I guess I am just too desensitized...
It was actually a real humourous show as they made it look like the glorious Russian army saved the country from evil terrorists by pumping in a new type of gas to the theater which "guaranteed not one Russian soldier was killed". They did not even mention that the gas killed most of the civilians in the process...
I did not really even notice until I looked at my friend who was next to me and her hands were over her eyes. I guess I am just too desensitized...
It was actually a real humourous show as they made it look like the glorious Russian army saved the country from evil terrorists by pumping in a new type of gas to the theater which "guaranteed not one Russian soldier was killed". They did not even mention that the gas killed most of the civilians in the process...
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mattoigta
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Maj. Sherwood, he was not comparing the two. Read the last line of what he wrote - from what I gather Gunnar was commenting on how the colonel stopped an attack on his soldiers by interrogating the Iraqi without even harming him, but firing shots close to him, and his government repays him by forced retirement of a lower grade, and possible court martial. Hence the comment "Must make him proud to serve his country. "
Jarnhamar
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Sherwood how come you bring up somalia so much?
By what ‘a few soldiers did to the regiment‘ you mean the officers playing pass the buck right?
Theres something not on about an organization that hangs a soldier out to dry who goes above and beyond to safe guard the guys under him yet basically flat out lie about another soldiers "heroic deeds" because of their gender, looks and need for public support.
I say that COL is a real hero. I wonder how many lives he traded his carreer for. I wonder how many kids will have fathers comming home to them because of him.
By what ‘a few soldiers did to the regiment‘ you mean the officers playing pass the buck right?
Theres something not on about an organization that hangs a soldier out to dry who goes above and beyond to safe guard the guys under him yet basically flat out lie about another soldiers "heroic deeds" because of their gender, looks and need for public support.
I say that COL is a real hero. I wonder how many lives he traded his carreer for. I wonder how many kids will have fathers comming home to them because of him.
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I think its all bs man, that COL prolly saved a lot of guys @sses! As for the Airborne Regiment, nothing that ever happened in the past that would diminish my pride because I come from the same country as them. They are heroes. And should be treated as such. I dont think I know the specifics about why exactly they got disbanded but from what I read about somalia at Commando.org, I think that was totally justified and In that position I can‘t imagine anyone wanting to do the same. Kid or not, if my buddies were dying because of something like this then I‘d pull.
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Gents
I went through basic with one of the members involved in the incident...Stuff they don‘t tell you on the news;
1. he had no family to fight for him or complain about the unfair treatment.
2.The Cdn Government was whining about how much the Airborne Regt. cost just before the incident took place...Go figure!
3.Closing out a unit because several memners were"bad" is ludicrous...If that were the care no unit in any western army would be older than 50 yrs or so...and some quite younger than that!
By the way if anyone is looking for the Regt. museum the Military shut it down without warning...The colours are sitting in some guy‘s basement in Quebec!
Very embarressing for us...I didn‘t cry at all the day they hoofed our fearless leader John C.
I went through basic with one of the members involved in the incident...Stuff they don‘t tell you on the news;
1. he had no family to fight for him or complain about the unfair treatment.
2.The Cdn Government was whining about how much the Airborne Regt. cost just before the incident took place...Go figure!
3.Closing out a unit because several memners were"bad" is ludicrous...If that were the care no unit in any western army would be older than 50 yrs or so...and some quite younger than that!
By the way if anyone is looking for the Regt. museum the Military shut it down without warning...The colours are sitting in some guy‘s basement in Quebec!
Very embarressing for us...I didn‘t cry at all the day they hoofed our fearless leader John C.
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