American Hostage in Saudi Arabia Beheaded
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You just beat me to it, karp.... I just got the CNN Breaking News e-mail.
Ironically, the news this morning said that Mr. Johnson has been living there about 10 years, and loved the culture so much, he had been considering a conversion to Islam......
Ironically, the news this morning said that Mr. Johnson has been living there about 10 years, and loved the culture so much, he had been considering a conversion to Islam......
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those damn terrorists, i hope when they meet their maker they get kicked in the nuts, and sent straight to hell and back, just to go back again, damn you terrorists, when will the madness end, it's things like this that make me get anxious about joining the army, i want to hop on a plane right now and teach them a lesson, with my c7, :fifty: :fifty: :soldier:
The enemy wants me, as an American citizen, to becomed angered, upset, and emotional about this and to lash out at my government to pull our troops from the fight - to run with our tail between our legs and lick our wounds. Guess what? I refuse. I am putting this in context. This is propaganda to sway my emotions. The use of global media to air these videos is really a successful form of the enemy propaganda to enter American households therefore my initial reaction to this is to bar the United States media conglomerates from giving enemy propaganda the airtime they are getting. Am I really missing anything of importance? It is a theoretical question not to demean the victim or his family but in the grand scheme of things why is an innocent American getting beheaded by lunatics any different than the three inner city kids in Baltimore getting there heads chopped off by their own cousins? Now, that didn't get alot of air time. Hell, only a ticker of text along the bottom of the screen. Better yet, you want to talk about context, how about 40,000 innocent Americans dying from motor vehicle accidents last year alone. Or 90,000 dying from doctor's misdiagnosis and negligence. These are just some examples. So, why does one American get sensationalized? The media have played into the hands of the enemy, and the media is not accountable, they don't take responsibilty for their actions. If I was in change I would issue a directive to not air this kind of crap. Downplay it. Do not raise it to the level that the enemy wants it to be. Does being exposed to this suppress my civil liberties? Is this a question of freedom of the press, of speech to air these atrocities? These are tough times and tough measures need to be enacted. Propaganda is just one front of this war.
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that was probably the best reply i ever heard, and i totally agree with it, and i heard about them kids in Baltimore to :'(sad really, but nonetheless, this is the times we live in, people want to know what's up and get reminded that this war is a bad thing, all wars are, all I have to say is these savages will get what's coming for them
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Karpovage,
Great post, thats one thing that really irks me is that some rating-seeking- bean-counter seems to be responsible for whats important to us and what isn't.
Yes any needless death is tragic but the one that gets the rating is all of a sudden more tragic than another. I would like to see a coalition of media get together and actually go out of there way to NOT report on the middle-east, etc., for a time and maybe it would be easier to weasel out some of these assholes because they would have to report to the media instead of the media playing like lap-dogs to them. [and I'm sure dirty deals get done for a scoop]
BRUCE
Great post, thats one thing that really irks me is that some rating-seeking- bean-counter seems to be responsible for whats important to us and what isn't.
Yes any needless death is tragic but the one that gets the rating is all of a sudden more tragic than another. I would like to see a coalition of media get together and actually go out of there way to NOT report on the middle-east, etc., for a time and maybe it would be easier to weasel out some of these assholes because they would have to report to the media instead of the media playing like lap-dogs to them. [and I'm sure dirty deals get done for a scoop]
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This is just one more reason to add to a long list of reasons to fight and triumph over these cowardly bastards.
I say capture the animals who did this, and give the family of Mr. Johnson a few minutes alone with them. If they come out alive, then send them to the firing squad.
As the leaflets dropped over Fallujah said, "if you are a terrorist, your last day was yesterday". These bastards are living on borrowed time.
I say capture the animals who did this, and give the family of Mr. Johnson a few minutes alone with them. If they come out alive, then send them to the firing squad.
As the leaflets dropped over Fallujah said, "if you are a terrorist, your last day was yesterday". These bastards are living on borrowed time.
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SUDDENLY PUTTING UNDERWEAR ON THE HEADS OF A FEW CONVICTED TERRORISTS DOESN'T SEEM SO BAD...! >
" The media have played into the hands of the enemy, and the media is not accountable, they don't take responsibilty for their actions"
Karpovage
That was one of the best posts I've read on this board to date! BUt take your analogy one step further...The government has played into the hands of the media...And so, just like the terrorists have learned to use the media, the media have learned how to use the western governments! Think about it.
They are partially responsible for this tragidy! No doubt in my mind. (And for all the media who cruise this site trolling for info-You can quote me!)
Slim :threat:
" The media have played into the hands of the enemy, and the media is not accountable, they don't take responsibilty for their actions"
Karpovage
That was one of the best posts I've read on this board to date! BUt take your analogy one step further...The government has played into the hands of the media...And so, just like the terrorists have learned to use the media, the media have learned how to use the western governments! Think about it.
They are partially responsible for this tragidy! No doubt in my mind. (And for all the media who cruise this site trolling for info-You can quote me!)
Slim :threat:
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Abdel Aziz Al-Muqrin is being reported dead. He apparently was the ring leader for the recent kidnapping and the Alqudia (sp) leader in Saudi Arabia. CNN
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Well, its going on to 1030hrs here on a windy but cold Saturday (by Aust standards) winter morning, about 9C. Last night before I ' hit the farter', I ws wondering this poor blokes fate, as the deadline was to be 0800 Sydney time this am.
I knew that he would somehow be killed, as these grubs would have killed him regardless. You cant reason with a terrorists and extremists.
Sadly its just a matter of time when the next westerner will be a Canadian ( Saudi based terrs recently MURDERED an Australian oil worker).
These muslim extremists have a seething blind hatred not only for the US but for antone or anything western ( I wonder if they use Nokia phones or drink Coke). They would gladly execute you and I, so remember that.
So, this is the first news I have heard of this sickening act :evil:, and at this time, I can only think of this mans family, and how they must feel. How would yours feel.
I hope this man is avenged. :cam: :rocket: :akimbo: :fifty: :soldier: :gunner:
Wes
I knew that he would somehow be killed, as these grubs would have killed him regardless. You cant reason with a terrorists and extremists.
Sadly its just a matter of time when the next westerner will be a Canadian ( Saudi based terrs recently MURDERED an Australian oil worker).
These muslim extremists have a seething blind hatred not only for the US but for antone or anything western ( I wonder if they use Nokia phones or drink Coke). They would gladly execute you and I, so remember that.
So, this is the first news I have heard of this sickening act :evil:, and at this time, I can only think of this mans family, and how they must feel. How would yours feel.
I hope this man is avenged. :cam: :rocket: :akimbo: :fifty: :soldier: :gunner:
Wes
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I call this avenged:
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087554048261_3?hub=topstories
Top al Qaeda figure in Saudi Arabia is killed
CTV.ca News Staff
Abdulaziz Issa Abdul-Mohsin al-Moqrin, the leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, has been killed, Al Arabiya television reported Friday.
Other news sources confirmed the death.
Al-Moqrin was among three militants shot dead by Saudi Arabian security forces Friday shortly after the beheaded body of U.S. hostage Paul M. Johnson was discovered.
The shootout occurred in the al-Malazz
district of Riyadh, the capital city. It's the same district where U.S. contractor Kenneth Scroggs was shot dead last Saturday.
Word of Johnson's killing came when a statement was posted on a website affiliated with an al Qaeda group.
"As we promised the mujahedeen, we have beheaded the American hostage Paul Marshall (Johnson) after the deadline that the mujahedeen gave to the tyrannical Saudi government passed," the statement said. It was signed by the Organization of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
The website also showed images of what appeared to be Johnson's severed head.
A couple of hours later, Saudi security officials said Johnson's body was found in a northeastern district of the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
Johnson had been wearing orange, U.S. prison-style jumpsuit. Al Qaeda suspects held by the U.S. have been made to don orange jumpsuits.
Three other Westerners -- two Americans and an Irish TV cameraman -- have been killed in Riyadh this month.
In Seattle, U.S. President Bush extended condolences to the family of Paul Johnson and said: "These are barbaric people. There is no justification for his murder yet they killed him in cold blood."
The U.S. Embassy in Saudi Arabia denounced the attack on Johnson as an "inhumane crime" and urged the Saudi government to bring his killers to justice.
Johnson, 49, was a contractor for U.S. defence firm Lockheed Martin and worked on Apache military helicopters. His killers cited that as a reason for murdering him, talking about "what Muslims have suffered from American Apache planes and their rockets."
Al-Moqrin a veteran militant
The group which claims to have kidnapped him is believed to be headed by al-Moqrin.
He fought in Bosnia in the early 1990s and was part of a hit squad that tried to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia in 1995. He was jailed for two years there before being extradited to Saudi Arabia.
Two men killed with him -- brothers Faisal and Bandar al-Dakheel -- were also on the Saudis' list of most-wanted terror suspects.
On Tuesday, the kidnappers released a videotape of Johnson saying he would be killed unless their conditions were met within 72 hours. The group wanted the Saudi government freed all militants in its prisons.
In a column published in Al-Riyadh newspaper Friday, the preacher of Riyadh's Imam Sultana Mosque urged the kidnappers to free Johnson.
"O, youth of the nation who have trodden the wrong path, come back to the fold of the community of Islam. Avoid this sedition and be obedient to the ruler of the Muslims," Sheik Mohammed bin Saad al-Saeed wrote.
Johnson's wife, Thanom, also appealed for his release in an interview broadcast on Al-Arabiya TV.
"When I see his picture in TV, I fall down," she said, fighting back tears. "When I hear the name Paul Johnson, I cry a lot. He is my only family here."
The FBI sent some 20 specialists in hostage rescue, hostage negotiations, and profiling to Saudi Arabia to work with authorities there. More than 15,000 Saudi police officers were deployed in the search effort this week.
A U.S. Embassy spokeswoman told CNN it was likely the attacks would continue.
Foreign workers are critical to maintaining the kingdom's oil industry. The attacks on them are seen as part of a strategy to destabilize the country and overthrow the monarchy.
While the U.S. government is urging its citizens to leave Saudi Arabia, a government spokesman said that would play into the hands of the terrorists.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087554048261_3?hub=topstories
Top al Qaeda figure in Saudi Arabia is killed
CTV.ca News Staff
Abdulaziz Issa Abdul-Mohsin al-Moqrin, the leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, has been killed, Al Arabiya television reported Friday.
Other news sources confirmed the death.
Al-Moqrin was among three militants shot dead by Saudi Arabian security forces Friday shortly after the beheaded body of U.S. hostage Paul M. Johnson was discovered.
The shootout occurred in the al-Malazz
district of Riyadh, the capital city. It's the same district where U.S. contractor Kenneth Scroggs was shot dead last Saturday.
Word of Johnson's killing came when a statement was posted on a website affiliated with an al Qaeda group.
"As we promised the mujahedeen, we have beheaded the American hostage Paul Marshall (Johnson) after the deadline that the mujahedeen gave to the tyrannical Saudi government passed," the statement said. It was signed by the Organization of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
The website also showed images of what appeared to be Johnson's severed head.
A couple of hours later, Saudi security officials said Johnson's body was found in a northeastern district of the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
Johnson had been wearing orange, U.S. prison-style jumpsuit. Al Qaeda suspects held by the U.S. have been made to don orange jumpsuits.
Three other Westerners -- two Americans and an Irish TV cameraman -- have been killed in Riyadh this month.
In Seattle, U.S. President Bush extended condolences to the family of Paul Johnson and said: "These are barbaric people. There is no justification for his murder yet they killed him in cold blood."
The U.S. Embassy in Saudi Arabia denounced the attack on Johnson as an "inhumane crime" and urged the Saudi government to bring his killers to justice.
Johnson, 49, was a contractor for U.S. defence firm Lockheed Martin and worked on Apache military helicopters. His killers cited that as a reason for murdering him, talking about "what Muslims have suffered from American Apache planes and their rockets."
Al-Moqrin a veteran militant
The group which claims to have kidnapped him is believed to be headed by al-Moqrin.
He fought in Bosnia in the early 1990s and was part of a hit squad that tried to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia in 1995. He was jailed for two years there before being extradited to Saudi Arabia.
Two men killed with him -- brothers Faisal and Bandar al-Dakheel -- were also on the Saudis' list of most-wanted terror suspects.
On Tuesday, the kidnappers released a videotape of Johnson saying he would be killed unless their conditions were met within 72 hours. The group wanted the Saudi government freed all militants in its prisons.
In a column published in Al-Riyadh newspaper Friday, the preacher of Riyadh's Imam Sultana Mosque urged the kidnappers to free Johnson.
"O, youth of the nation who have trodden the wrong path, come back to the fold of the community of Islam. Avoid this sedition and be obedient to the ruler of the Muslims," Sheik Mohammed bin Saad al-Saeed wrote.
Johnson's wife, Thanom, also appealed for his release in an interview broadcast on Al-Arabiya TV.
"When I see his picture in TV, I fall down," she said, fighting back tears. "When I hear the name Paul Johnson, I cry a lot. He is my only family here."
The FBI sent some 20 specialists in hostage rescue, hostage negotiations, and profiling to Saudi Arabia to work with authorities there. More than 15,000 Saudi police officers were deployed in the search effort this week.
A U.S. Embassy spokeswoman told CNN it was likely the attacks would continue.
Foreign workers are critical to maintaining the kingdom's oil industry. The attacks on them are seen as part of a strategy to destabilize the country and overthrow the monarchy.
While the U.S. government is urging its citizens to leave Saudi Arabia, a government spokesman said that would play into the hands of the terrorists.
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just curious,
do they have any photographs with these three al-quaeda terrorists in the same frame as Mr. Paul Johnson?
if they don't, i'd have to say this is could be the Saudi gov't simply killing 3 known al-quaeda members and claiming them to be responsible for the brutal murder of Mr. Johnson... they've got plenty to gain by finding and killing those responsible in record time... the way this news was broadcast across america, it would have taken just that to stop the american outcry for some rediculously huge military force entering saudi arabia to 'do what the saudi's can't seem to do themselves' (clear out al-quaeda) i'm just throwing out ideas... i'm kind of a skeptical person... even if they could show photographs of that very al-moqrin beast talking with Paul Johnson, i'm the kind of person who'd take a good long look at the picture seeing if its altered or edited... gov'ts love to do that stuff. this solution seems to have been "all wrapped up in a neat little package" ... too neat imho
do they have any photographs with these three al-quaeda terrorists in the same frame as Mr. Paul Johnson?
if they don't, i'd have to say this is could be the Saudi gov't simply killing 3 known al-quaeda members and claiming them to be responsible for the brutal murder of Mr. Johnson... they've got plenty to gain by finding and killing those responsible in record time... the way this news was broadcast across america, it would have taken just that to stop the american outcry for some rediculously huge military force entering saudi arabia to 'do what the saudi's can't seem to do themselves' (clear out al-quaeda) i'm just throwing out ideas... i'm kind of a skeptical person... even if they could show photographs of that very al-moqrin beast talking with Paul Johnson, i'm the kind of person who'd take a good long look at the picture seeing if its altered or edited... gov'ts love to do that stuff. this solution seems to have been "all wrapped up in a neat little package" ... too neat imho
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let's say, the saudi's knew that these three were involved... and that they were following them and had good surveillance on the, b/c they apparantly are as big as the saudi gov''t claims them to be, al-moqrin being a leader and such, so naturally one can assume that the saudis have their own people following him around... wouldn't it be better for the saudi gov't to rush in guns spraying, kill a bunch of al-qaeda, BEFORE he was murdered? i mean... they knew they were dealing with fanatics, and knew that the deadline was exactly that... a deadline... so my questions is thus:
Why did the saudi government wait until after the murdering of the hostage to act? what do they gain? compared to what they had the potential (and still do) of losing
Why did the saudi government wait until after the murdering of the hostage to act? what do they gain? compared to what they had the potential (and still do) of losing
Jarnhamar
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Not to be one of those retarded conspiracy guys but this sounds pretty convenient. I trust our "Friends" the Saudi royal family about as much as i trust the al-quadia.
Speaking of which, I think the whole name al-quaida is just a convenient name to give terrorists credibility.
I used to play an on-line game, mafia.org. Bunch of soprano wanna-be's. When i got there there was this group going around killing people calling themselves the black hand. I thought to myself hey that looks fun. So i started killing players saying *I* was a part of the black hand. Being the charismatic guy i am pretty soon other players wanted to join the "black hand" pretty soon there were about 4 factions with nothing to do with each other who were killing wise guy families calling themselves the 'black hand'
i think it's the same way with the al-quaida. A bunch of jerk offs wanna get some camera time so they cowardly kidnap a civilian and ask for something they KNOW they won't get. Hell why not as for 5 billion dollars and their faces on mount rushmore? Idiots. They don't get what they want and they kill the hostage all the while calling themselves al-quaida because they know this name is the big bad boogy man name of the day. It gives credibility to what are otherwise a bunch of dirt farming uneducated parastites.
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when you stop taking things at face value, especially things from the government or the media, it gets your mind in gear, i'd take a consiparacy guy over a yes-man-believe-everything-CBC-tells-me-and-whatever-the-saudi-governemnt-says-is-true-must-be-true... but i'm no consiparacy guy... some of the chit they think was faked is just humiliating, but others really make you think... Far too convenient
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Karpovage said:
freedom of speech, censoring, etc, is a dangerous road to travel, especially in times of 'war.' in the war on Iraq we saw what censoring can do. showing almost a completely 1 sided opinnion of pro-war 'experts' etc. the embedded journalists not being allowed to photograph certain things... we (the people who aren't actually there when it happens) deserve to be informed in an unbiased, uncensored, mannor so we can decide how we want to react, instead of having spindocters tell us how to react.
I mean sure i've flamed the media when i was emotionally charged too... but the thing is, censorship should come in only in matters of national security, or releasing the information would jeapordize someone's or a group of people's lives (imbedded journalists etc). opening the door to censoring material that would aid the al-qaeda in frightening americans or riling them up, or anyting like that... that's just a path that shouldn't be trodded down. who decided what to ban? and when? you saw the type of flak they took when journalists tried to keep us (or anyone else that wasn't in the direct viscinity) invormed of what was going on in the war in Iraq. I mean... they were fighting for the right to disclose troop movements and locations... and people were listening... even when American live's were at stake... when no such lives are at stake what do u think the outcome would be in trying to get that type of material out of the papers and off the internet... true news is a competative business, if its going to bring in viewers, and another news agency has the 'scoop' than of course all the other one's will try to find the articles and photos, and it will be in every major news paper / news website in north america, and yes, this only happens when people are actually going to watch what's being shown, bad news and catastrophe's are what keep people glued to their tv sets... so yes it is a business, but they do keep us informed... so lets just take a breath or two before we say that CNN/CBC are aiding the terrorists agenda's by informing viewers of 'newsworthy' events overseas.
you are definetly right about propoganda being a part of any war, and don't you dare think for a minute that your government isn't doing the exact same thing. Influence your opinnions, brain washing you with their talented spin doctors, of course propoganda goes both ways...And i hardly think informing the public of things that go on in the middle east that involve or possibly involve al-qaeda qualifies as aiding the terrorists, if you are insinuating that they are a big part of the problem, i think you don't quite understand the problem. if you don't want to be influenced by the media, and you think they are advancing the terrorists' agenda, don't watch the news.
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WRT the silly notions of the faking of some of these murders. I was recently looking at an Australian based muslim website called www.islamicsydney.com in the forums under current affairs, and the ammount of posts on which either the killings were faked or worse yet, orchastrated by the US, or the killings were done by the CIA to slam islam. How ridiculous!
And these are people living in my country believing this :rage: :evil:!
BTW, I had a look at the latest heinous (spelling sorry) crime, pics ref: Johnson. Pretty sick stuff, and although I find them disgusting, it feeds fuel to myself and us all on the capabilities of these godless savages who are using their religion to promote acts like this.
These terrs are dangerous, and remember that people with their values are right here in both our own countries right NOW, while the snivel libertarians we have also inherited, whinge everytime we arrest one.
Go figure.
Cheers,
Wes
And these are people living in my country believing this :rage: :evil:!
BTW, I had a look at the latest heinous (spelling sorry) crime, pics ref: Johnson. Pretty sick stuff, and although I find them disgusting, it feeds fuel to myself and us all on the capabilities of these godless savages who are using their religion to promote acts like this.
These terrs are dangerous, and remember that people with their values are right here in both our own countries right NOW, while the snivel libertarians we have also inherited, whinge everytime we arrest one.
Go figure.
Cheers,
Wes
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