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Fox news astoundingly had more factual coverage on the election than CNN. They have gained my respect for that.
I replied in a non-Covid thread,


 

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NS Province gets injunction to block all anti-public health order protests

Ban prevents groups from staging illegal gatherings in defiance of public health orders

The provincial government has been granted an injunction that will put a stop to all anti-vaccine and anti-public health order protests, including an anti-mask rally that was planned for Saturday in Halifax.

I agree the virus needs to be stopped, but the ease which governments continue to roll forward with restrictions is just as concerning.
 

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Considering the Health Minister/Ministry refuses to tell Canadians what restrictions will be lifted when they're vaccinated, it doesn't seem like we're getting lucky at all. Pretty hard to win over vaccine-hesitant people when there's literally no light at the end of the tunnel or targets for vaccination numbers.

Contrast that with the US, where they're giving out vaccines to people attending baseball games (for a Canadian team, that can't play in Canada).

Vaccines Will be Offered at Blue Jays Games in Buffalo
 

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I agree the virus needs to be stopped, but the ease which governments continue to roll forward with restrictions is just as concerning.


Obviously, things change on a weekly basis, and differ from province to province. However, it is concerning that governments of all levels seem extremely slow to give back the freedoms they were so quick to take away in the name of public health.

Were restrictions necessary? Yes, especially before the vaccines became available. But now that vaccines are available, and are becoming drastically more abundant this month & the months to follow...it would be nice for a government to roll out a solid framework for staged reopening.

In some parts of the country, like Ontario, it has gone way too far. Even when Doug Ford gets to call the shots, and has an opportunity to shine (like he seemed to at the beginning of the pandemic) - it seems like the rolling cluster**** that is government is still quite prevalent. Hopefully the various political parties can start to debate, vote, and govern the country as it should be soon. (Dysfunctional, but with democratic principals as it's foundation.)




I understand the numbers of people vaccinated is a big factor at play here, but it is still quite the comparison when looking at the 'spirit' of government intentions. While many schools, airlines, employers, etc etc will probably require proof of vaccination - and that will undoubtedly be challenged in court with solid legal arguments to be made by both sides - it is good to see a government taking steps to try to get things back to as normal as possible.



With 17.3M Canadians having received at least one dose (and lets remember that many younger Canadians either aren't eligible, or required, etc.) out of a population of roughly 36M, we should start having discussions about reopening. It would certainly motivate people who have procrastinated or just not cared to get off their butts and go get it.

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I should have checked the news, PHAC has graced us with its targets and they're absolutely ridiculous, it's like they pulled these numbers out of their asses.

Canadians can look forward to small, outdoor summer gatherings if vaccine targets are met: officials

Summary:

Summer Target - 75% eligible with 1 dose plus 20% fully vaccinated
Fall Target - 75% fully vaccinated

Total eligible population in Canada is estimated at 32 Million (ages 15 and up, there's probably a couple K extra from the 12-14 group Stats Can didn't have)
75% = 24 Million
20% = 6.4 Million

Canada currently has 17 Million doses delivered, climbing roughly +330K a day. We could hit that 24 Million single doses in a month (21 days). The issue is the fully vaccinated crowd. We're at 1.36 Million, climbing roughly +26K a day (which will slowly climb as less people need that single dose). If the current rate of fully vaccinated folks climbs at the same pace, it's 194 days before 20% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. Let's assume the rate doubles as supply grows, that's still 97 days. So maybe mid-August before you're allowed to have a @#$@#ing picnic outside.

Then they have the gaul to suggest we can't be normal until we hit 75% fully vaccinated. Again, incredibly slow rate that will speed up as more get single doses, but if we assume 6.4 Million fully vaccinated by August, and the rates flip where we're doing 300K fully vaccinated a day, you can maybe have a Thanksgiving dinner with family. Contrast this with the Israeli data, that went from 10K cases per day (13 Jan) with 1.3% fully vaccinated, to 29 cases per day today with 56.3% fully vaccinated (60% have at least 1 dose). If we can't get back to absolute normal with 29 cases per day, we live in a utopian society where we'll keep everyone locked in their houses until no one dies again. This 75% fully vaccinated number is just straight fear mongering, with no basis in science.

Canadians aren't stupid, but PHAC sure thinks we are. The good news is that some provinces like Saskatchewan are rejecting draconian lockdowns and magic numbers by starting to slowly open their economies. Hopefully Ontario follows Scott Moe's lead, but Doug Ford seems blinded to follow the "COVID Zero" Ontario Science Table that looks like they want no one to ever die from COVID ever again.
 
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