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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    There won't be a blacklash. Ships in Canada have never been classified based on political "fear" of sounding to warlike. The CPF's were frigates in role and in name. The Tribals were always destroyers even after their refit. And before that the ships were almost all named destroyers. Given...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    More like the CRCN just thinks the name sounds cooler. But its not tonnage and armaments that get the classification. Its role and sensors.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Who said these were frigates? ;)
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    This was literally my exact proposal I submitted to one of the board members. Keep the battle honours, change the name and the ships crest to be reimagined by an artist from that community. Because some of those crests are... lets just say dated.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    I think @Oldgateboatdriver mentioned once that a CPF could destroy all the ship at the Battle of the River Plate without them ever even knowing the ship was there.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    There are few things I look at. First is modern networked sonobuoys. There are a few launch options which might work in the mission bay. Certainly bolt on processing or storage are possible. The secondly and not quite proven tech yet but possibly more important... Anti Torpedo Torpedos...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Here's the thing. We can all talk about AAW. Its easy, its public and its flashy and exciting. ASW is secret, boring, slow time. So we're gonna spend no time talking about it. Just like we talk about kinetic AAW, and not Electronic AAW. Electronic is far more important than kinetic. Like...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Nope, the picture is the multi mission bay for HMS Glasgow. I can see why one would think it was JSS hangar, though JSS hangar is larger then this.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Given the massive size of the flight deck it might work with some driveway jiggery (wife needs to take the truck but its in front of the car). I honestly do not think that we would ever take two helo's. A uav probably though.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Ask for something and let the engineers tell you where it can fit... There are other critical design constraints that need to be accounted for. Like tonage, and in particular upper deck space (as electronics are much more important than missiles), power and their relationship to speed. Also...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    You can fit a merlin in there, it was going to be the size of a hangar. But seeing it... wow.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    You can't land or take off a helo. As opposed to a green deck where you can do both.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Would love to get a posting there. The commute would be amazing as you're going opposite the normal traffic flow.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Its not even friggin close. Meko 200 are just modernized CPF's. Tier 2 is less about weapons and more about sensors.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    There's a simple answer. You dont do damage control. You do what the merchant marine does and GTFO. As was stated, disposable ships.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    I don't know but I'm willing to bet that CAMM has a higher PKill than RAM as well. Interestingly enough you can load RAM into ExLS, as well as Longbow Hellfires and a few other things. I don't know what their pitch over looks like though so CAMM is probably the way to go.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    I honestly can see something like a callipoe drone launcher from ships, that cold launch drones, then the wings pop out (switchblade style) and then they go do their various tasks. Or even a "127mm" launch drone system, that uses the main gun to shoot out drones instead of rounds. Likely needs...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    @Stoker @Oldgateboatdriver @Cloud Cover from earlier.... The 30mm is being placed on both sides of the hangar giving it a high overwatch position with an almost 200 degree arc of fire from about 45 degrees forward port/stbd to the opposite quarter (and likely further depending on where they...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Both can use the ships main sensors (Germans do this with SEA RAM IIRC). CAMM also can engage multiple targets from multiple directions and SEARAM as you can see is unidirectional. CAMM has a much longer range allowing for the potential of re-engagement. Also CAMM is flush deck, which has...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    You have 24 Sea Cepters, those come quad packed. I don't see Canada ever using ASROC either. Those things are honestly kinda meh. More likely were goint to be using a UAV that carries a torp in the future instead of an ASROC if you ned that sort of distance.
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