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On the positive side, they were planning the CADRE program for years before they switched to SCSC. So in Theory there was allot of preplanning already done and with the downturn in the economy they might fast track it.

More of an off handed joke about the ships we plan get smaller and smaller

Destroyer/Frigate, Its like comparing apples and oranges. If you look at the two classes, they are roughly the same size. If they do in fact build the navy ships(yes I said IF and I am not going to call AOPS a ship yet), they should maintain Canadian TG's with long range SAMs to augment its defence.

Van is currently under a reduced duty watch, due to her manning issues. As far as I hear it (not part of van myself) a commissioner. Set's up shop for the night.... anybody have more info?

google Chinese military power and the Commonwealth intstatute will pop up. great info on the Chinese military and their modernization

sure they do. but maybe I'm a pessimist

Does anyone here believe that we will see new AOR's/JSS or what ever you want to call it approved anytime the foreseeable future. With an election on the horizon and with the current government with a 50/50 shot of winning. It seems to me we are looking at another MHP!!!

Well at this point anything would be great, sad but true.

My question is this, could we get 3 (plus?) AOR for the price of 3 JSS (I think so) and a RO/RO type ship?

Comparing MCDV to Gate Vsl and PB's is an apple vs orange Comparison. Like comparing the FFH to the steamers they replaced. I do agree that manning/retention and recruiting are the main issue though

Things we all know 280's approaching the end of there life AOR at the end of there life FFH - at mid life SSK - Who really knows Now the only plans in the works are JSS and the AOPS, While I admit that this is the perfect time to revitalize the Canadian shipbuilding industry and have it...

How would this affect the long term exactly (In a naval sense, not an industrial one). In my thinking, gone are the day's when we could do an emergency build like in WWI WWII. If and when there is a major conflict, it will be fast, furious and over before you know it. Just throwing that out...

I believe there is a future for the MCDV's, and I like Ex-Dragoons idea. While the 40mm is plenty of fire power for that class of ship they will need to find a new mount for them (something stabilized). Also I think you will find in the near future that MARS IV training will be done on the...

I believe laying up the kingston class was part of the plan since they are not considering to do a mid life refit for them.

You have to be kidding, a BGen, WOW HOW Totally inappropriate of him. If it was a joke, it was in completely bad taste. If it wasn't a joke, some one should take him aside. A reviewing officer should use his words to rise the spirits of the member on parade be it Navy, Army or Airforce...

Wait a minute, I don't believe for a minute that the ORCA is only a Training Vsl, While yes that is it's Primary duty. I believe that the ORCA will in the Future serve other roles for the Navy. Such as Patrolling the Fraser River during the Olympic maybe? The Navy ordered more then what was...

- The CPF is Big for a Frigate (more square footage then a 280) and the design could be tweaked to suit an AAW role. - Could we not take off the Harpoon and add Standard Missle's. I have no idea if you could launch them the same way as a harpoon, but the space is there  until a replacement is...

Patrolman is correct, I have seen a msg giving people who grad plq after jan 06 a bypass. Kinda sucks, I graduated plq in dec 05. Talk about a kick in the $#@!^. In the end I will do what I have to do with a smile on my face, it will all be worth it in the end. Anyone starting course 16th of...

From the rumor mill, here. the guys that have to do both IAP/BOTP start at the end of aug (27th I think). But they don't have messages yet so they are not banking on it.

Yes, we were all MS here in esquimalt and TD to Saint Jean for BOTP(6 weeks). Who is going to be there? The other question is if we are going to  in the MEGA or the Campus? The message had a link that point us to the campus.