Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[dimsum]

By that logic, slagging our closest ally would not be appropriate either, correct? But if that's your view I'm sure we'd save some moderation cycles by shutting down the politics boards completely.

That’s fair. I wouldn’t mind that.

 

[CBH99]

Isn’t it possible that the leaders of all three parties believe that they want to make Canada great again? I don’t feel that Justin should stay in power any longer. Both he and his caucus seem tired and horribly disconnected from the average Canadian. But are they in favour of making Canada inferior again? Frankly, I don’t like Poilievre either. But just because I don’t like someone’s ideas or actions doesn’t mean that they are necessarily doing so for ulterior reasons.

For example, Justin seems, in my opinion, to have a horribly naive assumption that if you let people in from different races, cultures and religions, then everyone will see the light and get along beautifully even though the world around them is bristling with violence and intolerance, with only the occasional admonition by our pretty boy leader to help society stay on course. He has also let China gain too much power over Canadians…mind you so have successive governments.

Over the years I have worked directly with numerous politicos, mainly those who were in the old PC party even though I never identified as a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. These included some cabinet ministers, MPs as well as top political advisors and strategists. I often disagreed with their views but never did I doubt that they believed in what they were doing as the best course of action. I guess what I’m trying to say is that most people wouldn’t do what they do if they felt they were doing the wrong thing. While I do feel that Canada is going to hell in a hand basket, I think the problem lies not so much in what one leader has done but how he has interpreted and dealt with the myriad of economic, political, social and military challenges facing us. Definitely not an easy task. Unless, of course, you want to see me elected as Prime Minister of Canada.

So I'd actually really like to be with you on this. I agree with you, that 99% of the time MOST politicians make the decisions they do because they feel like it will be in the best interest of their constituents and/or country.

Those decisions may not make sense to me. I may violently oppose those decisions and think they are horrible. But in the end, I imagine you are correct and that most politicians are doing what they feel is best for the people they were elected by.


...in the case of Trudeau, however, I just can't see it. It doesn't matter how many angles I look at it from, everything about both him & his decisions screams not only is he not trying to improve the country, but he's actively trying to destroy it in a very systematic way.

While I do believe there are a few LPC MP's who are grounded and work hard on behalf of their constituents, the party leadership (Trudeau, Freeland, and Cabinet members) all seem intent on destroying the fabric of Canadian society both now, and for future generations.

Incompetence is one thing. But incompetence can be padded by seeking advice from experts in various fields, and following that advice. Even a relatively Incompetent government can struggle through a 4 year period without doing too much damage if they consult with competent bodies.

Heck, as much as I hate Trudeau & his globalist ilk (and I sincerely mean it when I say that) I wouldn't hate him if it was sheer incompetence that plagued him.

But I don't think it's just sheer incompetence, and that's why I do hate him & feel totally justified in doing so. I believe it's very much intentional, and has been from the start.

Apparently I come across as quite the conspiracy theorist, and I've punished everybody on this forum enough with my facts cough I mean nonsense, so I won't get started with yet another of my lists.

But after basically 10 years in office, he shouldn't be incompetent anymore. That's no longer an excuse after a decade in office.


He doesn't take his orders from Canadian citizens. He's the poster boy for the WEF, the Nazi run organization that wants you to Dat factory grown meet & crickets, is opposed to single family homes, and wants you to own nothing and be happy about it.

And everything both him & Freeland do is to make those goals a reality.

It isn't a coincidence that both him & Freeland are prominent members of the WEF, and that Freeland is somehow both Deputy PM AND Finance Minister.

(Mark Carney is a WEF puppet too, a guy that within 48hrs of being appointed to a position of great influence, gave his personal buddy $2 billion dollars for his company & wants Canadians to give him $10 billion in exchange for managing our pension funds for us...)


If I believed Trudeau actually wanted what was best for Canadians, and that he was JUST a moron, I could maybe let some things slide. But I just can't get myself there.

 

[ModlrMike]

The longer they drag out this nonsense with Boisenneault the worse they look. While I will admit that any number of previous calls by the opposition for Lib Ministers to resign is no more than pure politics, this is one case where the PM should have acted decisively. To continue to defend this Minister only shows how much lip service the Liberals are prepared to offer in lieu of action.

 

[OldSolduer]

The longer they drag out this nonsense with Boisenneault the worse they look. While I will admit that any number of previous calls by the opposition for Lib Ministers to resign is no more than pure politics, this is one case where the PM should have acted decisively. To continue to defend this Minister only shows how much lip service the Liberals are prepared to offer in lieu of action.

Never interrupt an enemy when they are making an error

 

[ModlrMike]

Hubris: a personality quality of extreme or excessive pride, or dangerous overconfidence and complacency, often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.

 

[RangerRay]

Honestly Canada IMHO was a better country before JT beat Harper. And it's basically been down hill since then.

Don’t blame me! I voted for Harper!

 

[CBH99]

The longer they drag out this nonsense with Boisenneault the worse they look. While I will admit that any number of previous calls by the opposition for Lib Ministers to resign is no more than pure politics, this is one case where the PM should have acted decisively. To continue to defend this Minister only shows how much lip service the Liberals are prepared to offer in lieu of action.

The longer they drag out protecting Randy from inevitable prosecution, the worse it looks...

The longer they drag out protecting the 11 MP's confirmed to be involved in foreign interference, the worse it looks... (If the named individuals were CPC MP's, Trudeau would have blabbed their names as soon as he heard them. So you know they are LPC folks)

The longer they drag out releasing documents to the RCMP even after a judge issued a production order for them to do so, the worse it looks...

The longer he stays fairly quiet about the $330 million his MP's awarded to themselves & their bullshit companies, the worse it looks...

The longer he keeps spending money on buying back exactly 0 guns, the worse it looks... (Most recent figure is $75M)



I agree, most of the time when opposition parties call for Cabinet Ministers to resign, it is just petty politics. But in the case of Randy, his shit goes from bad to worse.

Personally, I can't wait for him to come back to Edmonton. Like I'm genuinely excited. He thinks he has problems now? Ha!

 

[Lumber]

A government of carpetbaggers and slimeballs, stealing the treasure from taxpayers. Lying to us on a daily basis.

The fact that you wrote this about Trudeau and the LPC, especially the last part, and yet somehow you support Donald Trump, is probably the single greatest example of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen.

 

[Lumber]

Apparently I come across as quite the conspiracy theorist, and I've punished everybody on this forum enough with my facts cough I mean nonsense, so I won't get started with yet another of my lists.

He doesn't take his orders from Canadian citizens. He's the poster boy for the WEF, the Nazi run organization that wants you to Dat factory grown meet & crickets, is opposed to single family homes, and wants you to own nothing and be happy about it.

You just couldn't resist, could you! I was this |<--->| close to liking you post after the first highlighted part, until I read the second highlighted part.

 

[Lumber]

Sucking in all the PRC’s money via state agents to buy up Canadian real estate and jack housing prices sky high is nothing even remotely to be proud of…

Except that the vast VAST majority of the FDI, and especially the increase in FDI that has happened, is coming from the USA, Germany, Japan, and the UK, not China.

 

[brihard]

The longer they drag out releasing documents to the RCMP even after a judge issued a production order for them to do so, the worse it looks...

I may have missed something, but was there a judicial production order from the courts? That has a very specific meaning under a specific section of the Criminal Code. I thought it was an order to produce based on a motion in Parliament?

Just a nuance to inform the discussion- if there are judicial orders or warrants, an assertion of cabinet confidence under s. 39 of the Canada Evidence Act will trump any production order and can close off examination of anything obtained by a search warrant.

 

[Good2Golf]

This is a clear indication of ever there was one, that Canada has ‘been told….’

Canada weighs cutting Mexico out of trade pact as Trump taps pro-tariff CEO for commerce secretary

The federal government is seeking to align itself with incoming Trump administration on his ‘tariff and trade agenda’

www.theglobeandmail.com

Note what one could initially take from Canada’s D/PM as entirely tone deaf to the existential threat of Chinese state-driven interference, is in reality Canada repeating the speaking note that America has given it. Canada deserves the hand up it’s ass forcing it to speak responsibly (other than being a pawn in the US divide and conquer strategy of international trade…)

Canada is not ruling out sidelining Mexico in future trade talks with the United States, with Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland saying the federal government shares Donald Trump’s “grave concerns” that China is using the southernmost North American country as a back door for trade access.


Ottawa’s priority is the bilateral relationship with the United States, Ms. Freeland said. “At heart for us is the Canada-U.S. partnership,” she said.


The federal government’s decision to closely align itself with the incoming Republican administration coincided with the announcement that Howard Lutnick would serve as Mr. Trump’s commerce secretary, in charge of his “tariff and trade agenda.” Mr. Lutnick would also have the additional responsibility of the Office of the United States Trade Representative.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The fact that you wrote this about Trudeau and the LPC, especially the last part, and yet somehow you support Donald Trump, is probably the single greatest example of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen.

what you think is totally irrelevant to me. Continue to bark at the moon.

 

[YZT580]

Never interrupt an enemy when they are making an error

no more: he resigned to focus on clearing his name (good luck with that)

 

[OldSolduer]

no more: he resigned to focus on clearing his name (good luck with that)

Randy should be in a Rogues Gallery in Ottawa.

 

[Remius]

no more: he resigned to focus on clearing his name (good luck with that)

Translation: will not be heard from again

 

[Quirky]

Another fine pick by the Edmonton fateful, must be something in the water there. That city sure knows how to pick MPs.