New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Colin Parkinson]

Sure lets get the US to build our ship because it will be faster and cheaper........

Coast Guard Reports Limited Progress on Prototype Modules for Polar Security Cutter

By Malte Humpert (gCaptain) – Just days after securing funding in the FY 2025 budget to acquire a commercial icebreaker, the U.S. Coast Guard says it has made little headway...

gcaptain.com

 

[suffolkowner]

Those MPV's will replace the 1100 Class at 4660DWT and Arctic Class 2 (PC-5ish) with a 8550DWT vessel that is PC 4.

It's a toss up whether the AOP's or the 1100 are better ice breakers, they are close in classification, but the 1100's have a ice knife, but the AOP's are newer and their hulls are in better shape.

So the CCG is going to get quite the step up in capability with the new ships, they be able to go further, carry more, break more ice. We are going from a fleet of light icebreakers to medium icebreakers. The downside is they won't be able to go into some places they currently do. The fixed hanger will be nicer than the current telescoping one.

some more detail on the CCG's MPV

Naval architect icebreaker | Aker Arctic

Aker Arctic has completed the hull form and contributed to the concept development for Canada’s sixteen new Multi-Purpose Vessels.

akerarctic.fi

 

[Cloud Cover]

US shipbuilding capacity and capability is slowing when it needs to be accelerating. Query whether China has to be looking at this and coordinating their build schedules accordingly as it appears they could very well achieve overmatch in the short term unless Korea, Japan, and perhaps Canada take up the slack. (Unlikely that Canada will.)

Navy lays out major shipbuilding delays, in rare public accounting - Breaking Defense

Ships from nine key programs are facing delays, in some cases of up to three years, according to a new Navy review.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Navy_Pete]

US shipbuilding capacity and capability is slowing when it needs to be accelerating. Query whether China has to be looking at this and coordinating their build schedules accordingly as it appears they could very well achieve overmatch in the short term unless Korea, Japan, and perhaps Canada take up the slack. (Unlikely that Canada will.)

Navy lays out major shipbuilding delays, in rare public accounting - Breaking Defense

Ships from nine key programs are facing delays, in some cases of up to three years, according to a new Navy review.

breakingdefense.com

I think we're seeing a general lagging impact of the kind of snobby attitude towards heavy industry and trades in the 80s and 90s rusting out core capabilties, as well as general raging capatalism short term thinking to 'maximize shareholder benefits' that got a lot of things off shored.

The US is better off than we are, but still the same basic issues with lack of skilled and experienced people as the workforce shrinks with retirements, while the platforms are getting more complicated than ever. Aside from weapons and sensors, the lack of crew drives increased automation, which again makes the design, build and maintenance more complicated.

Building and maintaining complex things is hard; it took 30 years to rust out, it's going to take a long time and dedicated focus to rebuild. That's really a challenge when you have muppets in charge who really only care about the whims of their donors and short term benefits.

The only reason things like NSS programs exist in numerous countries is because boffins figured this out and broke it down to simple short term benefits for the kids in short pants and glossed over strategic goals for the most part. It's there, obviously, but the actual bright and shiny selling features are the usual things like jobs in ridings and some clown cutting ribbons.

Short of some kind of benevolent dictatorship though that's just kind of what you have to do to get things done. Nothing more satisfying then spending decades building expertise to turn a detailed analysis into a summary into an executive summary into a BN into a memo into a single slide with pictures and a a bar graph.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Benevolent dictatorship is the Canadian system of government. each dictator lasts from 4 to 12 years, usually.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

A lot of internal work yet to be done, but a awesome and difficult job.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778402664922972444

 

[Cloud Cover]

Alan Williams continues his crusade …

Did he deliver any ships? Honest question..

 

[dapaterson]

Alan Williams continues his crusade …

Did he deliver any ships? Honest question..

Orcas.

 

[FSTO]

Orcas.

Super complex they are not.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Are they a ship or a boat?

 

[FSTO]

Are they a ship or a boat?

They are ships that carries boats. Geez! LOL!

 

[Halifax Tar]

Alan Williams continues his crusade …

Did he deliver any ships? Honest question..

Is he wrong ? Or is it that we dislike that he is right ?

 

[Rainbow1910]

Alan Williams continues his crusade …

Did he deliver any ships? Honest question..

I largely ignored his article when I read the CDR edition awhile ago, but I went back and looked at it. Yeah, it is about what you would expect. Whining about the government preselecting Irving as a shipyard makes little sense considering the fact that either Seaspan or Irving were going to be selected for the CSC program, it is impossible to have an "open, fair and transparent competition" when one out of two Canadian major shipyards had to be selected for this program. Of course he is also going off about not picking an "operational design" and us integrating systems we wanted, largely because he is continually sour that his favored design didn't get to win the competition, blissfully unaware than FREMM or any of the other designs would have been shown the same treatment.

CDR: So, given these facts, how would you suggest the Government move forward from here?

WILLIAMS: The Government could build 3 ships under the current process and 12 through an open, fair and transparent process that addresses the flaws I mentioned above. Such an approach would cut the cuts (costs?) by 1/2 to 2/3 and still maintain the existing schedule.

The fact that he can suggest cutting the CSC program at this point after building 3 ships and reopening the program to likely another shipyard, partners and a different design should really showcase his bias on this subject. Such a suggestion is utterly nonsensical and would result in a huge loss in time, effort and money in order to just make the whole process of getting ships take longer.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Honestly, he is now worse than Hellyer and his flying saucer shit.

Look around the globe.

Is anyone, ANYONE at all bringing a warship project in on time and on budget?

Restarting NSP would save zero dollars; collapse the frigate fleet altogether without a viable replacement as they self divest and leave us with no Navy, at all.

 

[FSTO]

Honestly, he is now worse than Hellyer and his flying saucer shit.

That’s a high bar to clear, but Williams has easily cleared it.
Save us 2/3 of the cost? Sure. Build only three and then kill the entire program.