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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 19:58:08 »
I just want to be a soldier. If my own country "isn't hiring" flipping infantry, and the US army will take me, I will absolutely cross the border next week and peruse that... rather than twiddle my thumbs for another 8 months. I'd rather not go that route, but I can't wait any longer. It's been long enough.
 Dont Join the U.S ARMY if you really want join the British army it will take less time in the US but around the same time as CND  either way your waiting for 8 months to a year.

Good riddance, obviously you don't love your country enough to find another occupation that would suit you while serving it, so you'll just jump ship. Maybe you just want to be a super-ninja sniper and you think the infantry is your only route there.

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 20:05:09 »
Good riddance, obviously you don't love your country enough to find another occupation that would suit you while serving it, so you'll just jump ship. Maybe you just want to be a super-ninja sniper and you think the infantry is your only route there.

brandon_ was actually quoting erikh.  It's hard to tell but there is a [/quote] at the end of the first statement.
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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2009, 20:08:06 »

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Joining the military, any military, is not "Your Right".

You have to meet the criteria.  It is a hard earned priviledge.  Your patriotic stance looses all credibility with your statement that you can join another nation's military.  Your whole credibility is pretty well summed up now.

Guess that sums this up.
I know... I never claimed it to be my or anyone's right. It's certainly a privileged and honor to be able to serve your country... and I will very likely not persue the US or any other army, I'm just a little ticked that I had to find out like this, two days before I though I finally might completed the process. Now I've gotta stay doing my mindless work and waste away for another 8 months, if I even am accepted.

However, I think you've got an odd view on Canadians serving in another force. What about that Canadian pilot who was turned away here, but went to the British forces and was awarded some kind of decoration for his service not too long ago? say what about his credibility and patriotism?
« Last Edit: August 10, 2009, 20:11:14 by erikh »

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2009, 20:08:41 »
Have you guys considered becoming a combat engineer?

Also, maybe look at going armoured as a coyote crew. They do a lot of dismounted recce work according to the video on recruit site.

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2009, 20:10:29 »
I want to be an infantryman, our army won't take me... so you don't need to be rude.

I'm fiercely patriotic. Even run a website about Canadian soldiers, that I spend most of my free time on... I just want be a soldier, and I'm way over due joining up as it is. I don't think waiting 8 more months is a good option for me.

So I really hope that somehow for me, this doesn't turn out to be so.

You want to be an infantryman and think a little remark like that is rude? Did it offend you?
You cant wait out for a little bit until you get the call? Get used to this,"Hurry Up and WAIT"
I think you need to take a step back and reflect on what you really want. Do you really want to soldier, OR just be called one. IF you want to be in the infantry, take the time it takes to process your application as a gift. Train, prepare physically for it. When you finally get to be in uniform, youll be ready.

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2009, 20:17:34 »
You want to be an infantryman and think a little remark like that is rude? Did it offend you?
You cant wait out for a little bit until you get the call? Get used to this,"Hurry Up and WAIT"
I think you need to take a step back and reflect on what you really want. Do you really want to soldier, OR just be called one. IF you want to be in the infantry, take the time it takes to process your application as a gift. Train, prepare physically for it. When you finally get to be in uniform, youll be ready.

And, most US Army soldiers I talked to in the FOB were stop-lossed,and none to happy about it.
I'm just pretty pissed off right now. I was flipping ready to go May 1, but I developed an eye problem (ghosting - because I was worried about my vision, I brilliantly started using eye drops, that ended up drying out my eyes, giving me the ghosting) that delayed my application for two months while I had my eyes checked by a specialist. Just when I think that it might be complete, I hear about this. I'm just gonna go kick myself for a while now, or ram my head into a brick wall.

I would of liked to of heard if from them, but maybe this is better, because it would been an even loooonger walk home come Thursday.

Still hoping my file was advanced enough to have a shot this year.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2009, 20:21:25 by erikh »

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2009, 20:23:49 »
Also, maybe look at going armoured as a coyote crew. They do a lot of dismounted recce work according to the video on recruit site.


The few times I saw Armour Recce guys overseas they were either driving their coyote, or set up an observing. Didn't see them doing dismounted patrols as part of their job. Not to say they don't an I'm sure an actual Armour Recce guy can go into more details on the job.

Only times I saw Armour guys doing dismounted patrolling was when they volunteered to go out on patrol with the OMLT in our loc. The Recce guy only did it once.. walking through grape fields wasn't his thing. An the tanker(also only went once) that went out with us really appreciated his tank after his patrol haha.

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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2009, 20:24:55 »
As one who actually went and joined USMC 30+ years ago, when they were more than happy to take 30,000 of us in various forms, it still took 8 months to do the clearances/immigration/etc.....

My oldest who's in the CF briefly considered doing the same thing and was told exactly what Skeltor and GW said......so if you are still intent on it....knock yourself out.....

I don't suppose any of these future GI Joe's ever considered canvassing the other trades available that are eminently as satisfying/action packed/demanding....but what do I know, I'm one of those furner fellas......?
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Re: Not hiring infantry
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2009, 20:38:11 »
Well, since no-one has provided any further useful information addressing the original post, and the thread has turned into a dogpile.  We're done and locked.

Ask a staff member to open the thread if you have something useful to add.

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2009, 11:13:58 »
I was told that they will not be selecting Infantry until April 2010, but that's the occupation I really want in the Army, so I'm willing to wait until then.  My question is in regards to BMQ...

Even though they aren't hiring more Infantry until April 2010, would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline so that when they leave BMQ, they'll be able to go through SQ and MOC almost immediately after finishing BMQ?  Hopefully I said that well enough.  It makes sense in my head, haha.

Someone also mentioned that if I only want Infantry, I should put only that in my first occupation choice and leave 2 and 3 empty.  Is that okay to do?  I don't want to end up looking bad in the eyes of the Army I suppose, so I want to make sure I know all this before I start with the process.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2009, 11:25:12 »
To go to BMQ, you need to have a job offer- which will apparently not be happening until April 2010 for infantry.

As for what to put on your form, etc, from everything I've read here you should really be contacting your CFRC and speaking to someone who can focus on your situation as everything is done case by case.
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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2009, 11:26:23 »

 would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline

No.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2009, 11:27:29 »
Someone also mentioned that if I only want Infantry, I should put only that in my first occupation choice and leave 2 and 3 empty.  Is that okay to do?

Yes, that is ok.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2009, 11:31:52 »
To go to BMQ, you need to have a job offer- which will apparently not be happening until April 2010 for infantry.

As for what to put on your form, etc, from everything I've read here you should really be contacting your CFRC and speaking to someone who can focus on your situation as everything is done case by case.

I have been, but see he said they were still hiring for Infantry, but everyone else has told me that they were not.  So I sent him an email two weeks ago but he hasn't responded yet.

No.
Yes, that is ok.

Thanks for the quick response.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2009, 11:38:43 »
I have been, but see he said they were still hiring for Infantry, but everyone else has told me that they were not.  So I sent him an email two weeks ago but he hasn't responded yet.

If you want to get confirmation from someone you can always call them, anyone there should be able to answer your question accurately.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2009, 13:57:27 »
I was told that they will not be selecting Infantry until April 2010, but that's the occupation I really want in the Army, so I'm willing to wait until then.  My question is in regards to BMQ...

Even though they aren't hiring more Infantry until April 2010, would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline so that when they leave BMQ, they'll be able to go through SQ and MOC almost immediately after finishing BMQ?  Hopefully I said that well enough.  It makes sense in my head, haha.

The specifics of your questions have already been directly answered, however you may be thinking that it doesn't make sense to wait until April to be given an offer when a lot of the common training could be done prior.  The simple answer to that is the government (and thus the CF) operates on a fiscal year of 1 April to 31 March - much of the planning is geared to that cycle especially if it involves spending money.  Therefore, manpower planning (guessing how many soldiers of what type, when to hire them and when to train them) is also geared to that time frame.  Apparently (based on comments posted on these means which may or may not be accurate), they have already hired (or made offers to) all the infantry recruits that they guessed would be needed this year, or didn't need as many as they thought since fewer got out or more (already trained) infanteers transferred from the reserve to the regular force.  The CF can't hire more than they are allowed (and have the money more) and they don't train more than they are allowed to hire (that costs money that they haven't budgetted).  Right now they can't hire any more but they know that (almost certainly) more will be needed in the new fiscal year and they will be allowed to hire them; those numbers just haven't been promulgated yet.  While they can't make an offer, they are able to do the processing - someone may become interested in something else or (a very faint possibility) some who were already scheduled to enter the pipeline don't and positions may open up before the new FY.

Only the recruiting centre can give you a definitive answer about the possibility of enrolling as infantry prior to April.  If you are seriously considering joining the CF (whether or not you can get infantry before April), there is little downside for you in completing the application process (applying does not mean enrolling, i.e. accepting an offer and swearing in) as soon as possible.  If infantry is available before April, you could be offered it;  if infantry is unavailable until April, you will have already completed the process and you could be offered it then; if in the meantime you change your mind and would accept another trade, you've already completed the process.
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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2009, 14:26:29 »
The day before my interview (last thing in my app process), I was asked if I wanted to change or wait (even though I was told "you'll get infantry" after my CFAT... :clubinhand: ). Not wanting to wait another year, I changed.

Wasn't easy. I was dead set on closing with and destroying the enemy and the whole infantry thing. My main interest has been the front line foot soldier doing the fighting... $h!t happens.

But I've decided to hold out on my new first choice. If they don't give me that, then I may be waiting anyways.

Good luck with your decision.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2009, 14:30:23 by erikh »

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2009, 14:29:23 »
I was dead set on closing with and destroying the enemy and the whole infantry thing. My main interest has been the front line foot soldier doing the fighting... $h!t happens.


I'm not sure what trade you settled on but i assure you that the infantry does not have a monopoly on all this.

Good luck with whatever trade you decided on joining.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2009, 14:33:50 »
I'm not sure what trade you settled on but i assure you that the infantry does not have a monopoly on all this.

Good luck with whatever trade you decided on joining.
Yes, I had to get that through my thick skull. Decided on Combat Engineer as my first choice, arty second, then armoured.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2009, 01:49:59 »
Yes, I had to get that through my thick skull. Decided on Combat Engineer as my first choice, arty second, then armoured.

Are these choices for Reserves or Regular Forces? Because I was told Reserves do not have any more open spots for Combat Engineer or armored (in Toronto). You are good to go with Artillery.

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2009, 01:56:25 »
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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2009, 09:09:32 »
According to the Strtegic Intake Plan (SIP) for FY 10/11, the amount for Infantry is:
400 PPCLI
300 R22eR
300 RCR

http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmp/dpgr/downloads/parra_psr_bpd/sip_future_1011_b.xls

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2009, 09:18:38 »
Are these choices for Reserves or Regular Forces? Because I was told Reserves do not have any more open spots for Combat Engineer or armored (in Toronto). You are good to go with Artillery.

No more open spots for combat engineer in Toronto?!

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2009, 14:03:10 »
No more open spots for combat engineer in Toronto?!
I actually went to a reserve information session at the Dennison armory last week and the SGT told us that combat engineer position at the 32nd CER was unavailable for the current fiscal year. The only option was Artillery in the combat arms reserves. Looking at your profile, it seems you are interested in 32nd CER as well- hand in your application ASAP so that you are in line for the next fiscal year (starting April of 2010). Good luck and see you in April!

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Re: About Getting Into Infantry
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2009, 14:09:26 »
I actually went to a reserve information session at the Dennison armory last week and the SGT told us that combat engineer position at the 32nd CER was unavailable for the current fiscal year. The only option was Artillery in the combat arms reserves. Looking at your profile, it seems you are interested in 32nd CER as well- hand in your application ASAP so that you are in line for the next fiscal year (starting April of 2010). Good luck and see you in April!

Hi,

I phoned Sgt. XXXX (probably the Sgt you talked to) this morning after reading the above post and he told me that 32nd CER was full, but I had already been accounted for (I handed in my application in late April). So I made it in time assuming I get the thumbs up from the RMO.

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